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Post by Joey Cush on Oct 16, 2016 1:16:28 GMT -5
Easily the mishandling of CM Punk after he returned from walking out with the title. Not a shred of doubt in my mind that they could have had a Steve Austin like character and era again in WWE, but they bungled it so badly. The Invasion storyline, while not bad, could have been better and I think they missed a huge opportunity to keep WCW around as a separate brand following it. There were also a good handful of guys who deserved bigger pushes in the Hogan era. Honestly one of the worst mishandled storylines ever. The potential that this had was unbelievable. Punk taking you behind the scenes of what goes on and saying the system, this eras Steve Austin but different. It should have never gotten to the route that it went and I'm still baffled they started it so incredibly and it ended so horribly.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Oct 16, 2016 1:27:56 GMT -5
Invasion ECW relaunch Not keeping WCW around XFL (genius idea, terrible execution) Not taking women's watering seriously for decades Vader Owen Hart Rick Rude ULTIMO ING DRAGON Sandow Drew Galloway EC3 War Games Gail Kim Jim Cornette Joey Styles Arn Anderson Tully Blanchard Berry Windham Dusty Rhodes Matt Hardy Ace Steele
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Oct 16, 2016 4:53:18 GMT -5
I think those mentioning the Invasion angle are correct, but Vince's hands were tied on that one. The only way that story plays out right is if the big names are there from the start. And too many of them could sit for a couple years getting paid from AOL to do nothing. If Vince waited until then to start it, he'd be sitting that long on the contracts of the other talent, and the public loses interest anyways.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2016 5:08:13 GMT -5
Biggest missed opportunity aside from the invasion angle has to be Hogan vs. Austin.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Oct 16, 2016 5:37:29 GMT -5
I think those mentioning the Invasion angle are correct, but Vince's hands were tied on that one. The only way that story plays out right is if the big names are there from the start. And too many of them could sit for a couple years getting paid from AOL to do nothing. If Vince waited until then to start it, he'd be sitting that long on the contracts of the other talent, and the public loses interest anyways. Yeah, I'm not sure what people are suggesting when they talk about the invasion story being a missed opportunity, but if they mean signing Goldberg/Sting/Outsiders etc -- that wasn't a viable opportunity in the first place because it wasn't a contractual possibility, so it's a pointless suggestion. Same for waiting until all those guys became available to do it. Holding off the invasion until 02/03 would've been a long time without WCW and ECW in the industry, and a long time where those guys wouldn't have had steady jobs in wrestling. If they just mean stuff like Booker and DDP being booked stronger, I kinda get it. But at the same time, those guys came from a failed promotion and they weren't even the biggest names from it. So you can see why the WWF guys would've wanted to look superior. That big influx of new talent onto one roster meant your spot was more at risk than ever. If they mean things like Rock joining the Alliance instead of Stone Cold -- I mean, it may have worked better, but ultimately I don't see it being a huge difference.
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Post by tenup on Oct 16, 2016 9:15:03 GMT -5
Shelton Benjamine having a mouth piece to boost his promo's
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Post by cordless2016 on Oct 16, 2016 9:53:18 GMT -5
Just a few off the top of my head...
- Invasion Storyline - Christian in 2005 - Bret/Savage or Bret/Hogan at WM9 - Muhammad Hassan in 2005 - Flair/Hogan at WM8 - Savage/Steamboat at WM4 - Matt Hardy in 2005 - Booker T in 2003 - RVD and Kane in 2002
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Post by cordless2016 on Oct 16, 2016 9:58:18 GMT -5
I think those mentioning the Invasion angle are correct, but Vince's hands were tied on that one. The only way that story plays out right is if the big names are there from the start. And too many of them could sit for a couple years getting paid from AOL to do nothing. If Vince waited until then to start it, he'd be sitting that long on the contracts of the other talent, and the public loses interest anyways. Vince should have waited then a year or two to run it. Yes bring in the talent he had acquired right away but don't treat it as an Invasion. Or Vince had just come off his most profitable year yet still as owner of the WWF (2000). Yes it would have been expensive but he could have bought out the contracts of Goldberg, Steiner, and Sting which would have been more than enough to keep the storyline going until early 2002 when he could bring in the nWo. The money he could have made would have easily offset the cost of buying out their Turner contracts.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Oct 16, 2016 10:26:22 GMT -5
Owen Hart becoming the Corporate champion. Seriously how awesome would it have been if Owen screwed Mankind and sided with Vince exactly 1 year after Vince screwed his brother.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2016 10:42:43 GMT -5
Punk claiming the streak.
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Oct 16, 2016 10:43:45 GMT -5
Sting Kane's return in 2011 Not giving us Sting vs Taker Batista not being heel in his last run Bray Wyatt overall not being credible Bad News Barrett being the biggest heel in a while Drew McIntyre Sort of just my random opinion but lesnar losing to both Cena and Triple when he returned CM Punk not main eventing Mania and there's more but those are some of the too that I remember
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Oct 16, 2016 16:36:21 GMT -5
I think those mentioning the Invasion angle are correct, but Vince's hands were tied on that one. The only way that story plays out right is if the big names are there from the start. And too many of them could sit for a couple years getting paid from AOL to do nothing. If Vince waited until then to start it, he'd be sitting that long on the contracts of the other talent, and the public loses interest anyways. Vince should have waited then a year or two to run it. Yes bring in the talent he had acquired right away but don't treat it as an Invasion. Or Vince had just come off his most profitable year yet still as owner of the WWF (2000). Yes it would have been expensive but he could have bought out the contracts of Goldberg, Steiner, and Sting which would have been more than enough to keep the storyline going until early 2002 when he could bring in the nWo. The money he could have made would have easily offset the cost of buying out their Turner contracts. I've never heard what Goldberg's contract was, but I remember hearing Sting (I believe) mention it on JR's podcast. He was collecting more than Vince payed to purchase WCW for a couple years. If some of the other contracts were even half of that I don't see Vince looking at that as a viable expense. MAYBE he could've kept some of the talent until contracts expired, but even then, an invasion angle is no longer fresh in everyone's mind. He really had two options: Don't do the storyline, or make his kids a focus the keep it relevant. I mean, what's the point of doing the simulcast on the last Nitroif it isn't furthering a storyline?
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Oct 16, 2016 16:42:16 GMT -5
I think those mentioning the Invasion angle are correct, but Vince's hands were tied on that one. The only way that story plays out right is if the big names are there from the start. And too many of them could sit for a couple years getting paid from AOL to do nothing. If Vince waited until then to start it, he'd be sitting that long on the contracts of the other talent, and the public loses interest anyways. Yeah, I'm not sure what people are suggesting when they talk about the invasion story being a missed opportunity, but if they mean signing Goldberg/Sting/Outsiders etc -- that wasn't a viable opportunity in the first place because it wasn't a contractual possibility, so it's a pointless suggestion. Same for waiting until all those guys became available to do it. Holding off the invasion until 02/03 would've been a long time without WCW and ECW in the industry, and a long time where those guys wouldn't have had steady jobs in wrestling. If they just mean stuff like Booker and DDP being booked stronger, I kinda get it. But at the same time, those guys came from a failed promotion and they weren't even the biggest names from it. So you can see why the WWF guys would've wanted to look superior. That big influx of new talent onto one roster meant your spot was more at risk than ever. If they mean things like Rock joining the Alliance instead of Stone Cold -- I mean, it may have worked better, but ultimately I don't see it being a huge difference. The Rock was still riding high as a face wasn't he? The fans gradual turn didn't start until closer to WM when he faced Hogan, if I'm remembering correctly. And you're absolutely right about Booker T, DDP, among others. In Booker's case, that was a Russo push alongside Jarrett. I seriously doubt Vince had any intention of using him as a top guy for a while.
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Post by E N I G M A on Oct 16, 2016 17:23:07 GMT -5
Wade ing Barrett.
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Post by sean™ on Oct 16, 2016 17:59:36 GMT -5
I think THE Brian Kendrick was one of the best gimmicks.. I believe WWE didn't maximize this to its fullest. This. Absolutely loved him getting to be in the Championship Scramble match.
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Post by Infinite on Oct 16, 2016 18:36:18 GMT -5
Summer of Punk 2011 pissed me off worse than anything else WWE has ever done
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Post by ZDB on Oct 16, 2016 18:55:03 GMT -5
I think those mentioning the Invasion angle are correct, but Vince's hands were tied on that one. The only way that story plays out right is if the big names are there from the start. And too many of them could sit for a couple years getting paid from AOL to do nothing. If Vince waited until then to start it, he'd be sitting that long on the contracts of the other talent, and the public loses interest anyways. Yeah, I'm not sure what people are suggesting when they talk about the invasion story being a missed opportunity, but if they mean signing Goldberg/Sting/Outsiders etc -- that wasn't a viable opportunity in the first place because it wasn't a contractual possibility, so it's a pointless suggestion. Same for waiting until all those guys became available to do it. Holding off the invasion until 02/03 would've been a long time without WCW and ECW in the industry, and a long time where those guys wouldn't have had steady jobs in wrestling. If they just mean stuff like Booker and DDP being booked stronger, I kinda get it. But at the same time, those guys came from a failed promotion and they weren't even the biggest names from it. So you can see why the WWF guys would've wanted to look superior. That big influx of new talent onto one roster meant your spot was more at risk than ever. If they mean things like Rock joining the Alliance instead of Stone Cold -- I mean, it may have worked better, but ultimately I don't see it being a huge difference. They could've bought out all the WCW contracts if they wanted to, the profit from a well run invasion angle including Sting and Goldberg and everyone else would've net more than whatever they would have had to pay for the contracts
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Oct 16, 2016 19:00:29 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm not sure what people are suggesting when they talk about the invasion story being a missed opportunity, but if they mean signing Goldberg/Sting/Outsiders etc -- that wasn't a viable opportunity in the first place because it wasn't a contractual possibility, so it's a pointless suggestion. Same for waiting until all those guys became available to do it. Holding off the invasion until 02/03 would've been a long time without WCW and ECW in the industry, and a long time where those guys wouldn't have had steady jobs in wrestling. If they just mean stuff like Booker and DDP being booked stronger, I kinda get it. But at the same time, those guys came from a failed promotion and they weren't even the biggest names from it. So you can see why the WWF guys would've wanted to look superior. That big influx of new talent onto one roster meant your spot was more at risk than ever. If they mean things like Rock joining the Alliance instead of Stone Cold -- I mean, it may have worked better, but ultimately I don't see it being a huge difference. They could've bought out all the WCW contracts if they wanted to Assuming you mean the big AOL Time Warner contracts that the top guys had, of course they couldn't, and suggesting that they could is indicative of putting zero thought in.
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Post by ZDB on Oct 16, 2016 19:17:42 GMT -5
They could've bought out all the WCW contracts if they wanted to Assuming you mean the big AOL Time Warner contracts that the top guys had, of course they couldn't, and suggesting that they could is indicative of putting zero thought in. Lol what? ?? It's well known that WWE could've bought out the contracts and had all the main eventers come immediately Instead they let AOL pay the deals and let the main eventers sit at hime
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Oct 16, 2016 19:19:16 GMT -5
Assuming you mean the big AOL Time Warner contracts that the top guys had, of course they couldn't, and suggesting that they could is indicative of putting zero thought in. Lol what? ?? It's well known that WWE could've bought out the contracts and had all the main eventers come immediately It isn't well known, or true. For fantasy booking, it's nice, but it wasn't even remotely feasible.
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