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Post by LA Times on Oct 16, 2016 19:45:17 GMT -5
Easily the mishandling of CM Punk after he returned from walking out with the title. Not a shred of doubt in my mind that they could have had a Steve Austin like character and era again in WWE, but they bungled it so badly. The Invasion storyline, while not bad, could have been better and I think they missed a huge opportunity to keep WCW around as a separate brand following it. There were also a good handful of guys who deserved bigger pushes in the Hogan era. Honestly one of the worst mishandled storylines ever. The potential that this had was unbelievable. Punk taking you behind the scenes of what goes on and saying the system, this eras Steve Austin but different. It should have never gotten to the route that it went and I'm still baffled they started it so incredibly and it ended so horribly. If Stone Cold in 1998 was booked like CM Punk was in Summer 2011 or like Daniel Bryan was in 2013-14, we would all be watching Ted Turner's product right now.
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Post by ZDB on Oct 16, 2016 19:49:28 GMT -5
Lol what? ?? It's well known that WWE could've bought out the contracts and had all the main eventers come immediately It isn't well known, or true. For fantasy booking, it's nice, but it wasn't even remotely feasible. It is true. AOL paid the deals but there were options. Booker and DDP took about half of what they were guaranteed so that they were free to go to WWE immediately. WWE could've bought out any deal they wanted, as AOL would've been happy to not have to pay out those huge guaranteed deals.
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Post by sitruC on Oct 16, 2016 19:53:02 GMT -5
Probably heel Miz taking a backseat to Rock vs Cena
I obviously get why, cause it's the two biggest stars of two generations. Just I enjoyed heel Miz as champion and thought he deserved better.
Happy he's killing it now though.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Oct 16, 2016 20:20:24 GMT -5
It isn't well known, or true. For fantasy booking, it's nice, but it wasn't even remotely feasible. It is true. Of course it isn't true. Stop for a second and try to think before posting. Do you really, genuinely think that it was feasible for the WWF to meet the terms of the ridiculous contracts that imploded WCW? If you bring in Goldberg on the terms of his Time Warner deal, then Stone Cold's got to get as favourable a deal. So does Rock. So does Undertaker, etc etc. Then everybody's got stupid contracts, less incentive to work, less dates to work, creative control, etc etc and the entire company is screwed. And that's only if they were matching the Time Warner contracts -- but to actually get guys like Goldberg to accept a buyout, they'd have had to offer him an even more ridiculous deal than his Time Warner one. Again, it's one thing to fantasy book a WCW invasion in our heads and pretend the contractual realities of it didn't exist. But in the real world, they did exist. There was a reason why WCW had about two or three good years and then fell apart. And a big part of that was that the contracts they gave out to bring in (and keep) big names weren't at all sustainable. Those contracts killed one company. They were never going to be given the chance to kill two.
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Post by ZDB on Oct 16, 2016 20:32:40 GMT -5
Of course it isn't true. Stop for a second and try to think before posting. Do you really, genuinely think that it was feasible for the WWF to meet the terms of the ridiculous contracts that imploded WCW? If you bring in Goldberg on the terms of his Time Warner deal, then Stone Cold's got to get as favourable a deal. So does Rock. So does Undertaker, etc etc. Then everybody's got stupid contracts, less incentive to work, less dates to work, creative control, etc etc and the entire company is screwed. And that's only if they were matching the Time Warner contracts -- but to actually get guys like Goldberg to accept a buyout, they'd have had to offer him an even more ridiculous deal than his Time Warner one. Again, it's one thing to fantasy book a WCW invasion in our heads and pretend the contractual realities of it didn't exist. But in the real world, they did exist. There was a reason why WCW had about two or three good years and then fell apart. And a big part of that was that the contracts they gave out to bring in (and keep) big names weren't at all sustainable. Those contracts killed one company. They were never going to be given the chance to kill two. The idea would be to pay out the contract then restructure a new one for their work in WWE but thanks for telling me to think before posting because you clearly didn't. Undertaker isn't going to want the ridiculous deal Goldberg got because he has a brain and understands Ted Turner was cutting checks to anyone to waited in line for one
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Oct 16, 2016 20:38:07 GMT -5
Of course it isn't true. Stop for a second and try to think before posting. Do you really, genuinely think that it was feasible for the WWF to meet the terms of the ridiculous contracts that imploded WCW? If you bring in Goldberg on the terms of his Time Warner deal, then Stone Cold's got to get as favourable a deal. So does Rock. So does Undertaker, etc etc. Then everybody's got stupid contracts, less incentive to work, less dates to work, creative control, etc etc and the entire company is screwed. And that's only if they were matching the Time Warner contracts -- but to actually get guys like Goldberg to accept a buyout, they'd have had to offer him an even more ridiculous deal than his Time Warner one. Again, it's one thing to fantasy book a WCW invasion in our heads and pretend the contractual realities of it didn't exist. But in the real world, they did exist. There was a reason why WCW had about two or three good years and then fell apart. And a big part of that was that the contracts they gave out to bring in (and keep) big names weren't at all sustainable. Those contracts killed one company. They were never going to be given the chance to kill two. The idea would be to pay out the contract then restructure a new one for their work in WWE So Vince pays Goldberg and co the entirety of the money left on their Time Warner contracts as well as a top end WWF deal that they'd be happy with?
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Post by ZDB on Oct 16, 2016 20:43:42 GMT -5
The idea would be to pay out the contract then restructure a new one for their work in WWE So Vince pays Goldberg and co the entirety of the money left on their Time Warner contracts as well as a top end WWF deal that they'd be happy with? Don't think you understand how much money they left on the table with the Invasion
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Post by Sizzle on Oct 16, 2016 20:46:22 GMT -5
Brock Lesnar ending the streak was a huge mistake. Just wait a few years and have Bray Wyatt end it. Pass on the spooky guy legacy.
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Post by RybackV1 on Oct 16, 2016 21:32:57 GMT -5
Ryback.
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Post by Rontaro13 on Oct 16, 2016 22:03:16 GMT -5
Dolph Ziggler not getting a permanent spot as a main event guy after Survivor Series 2014. Zack Ryder having an actual IC title reign after WM32. RVD's run after WM30. He just lost a majority of the time. Making Damien Sandow into an actual midcard guy after dropping the Mizdow gimmick. Wade Barrett as King of the Ring. It could have been so much better than it was.
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Post by 👑🇵🇭⭐️ on Oct 16, 2016 23:04:15 GMT -5
John Cena, Daniel Bryan, and the Bella Twins as a Heel stable led by Triple H and Stephanie McMahon. They could have even added CM Punk and A. J. Lee.
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Post by JokerFC on Oct 17, 2016 5:15:19 GMT -5
There are so many now and we all know the big ones.....but Ill go for something lesser acknowledged. Instead of retiring Savage to the announce desk(such a waste) they go this route
Randy Savage wins RR93 and goes onto be defeated by Bret Hart @ WM9. Embittered by this(and a loss to Yoko) Savage turns and becomes a anti New Generation heel. Alongside Jerry Lawler they terrorize the NG guys and we get some GREAT feuds out of them.
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Post by bigshab421 on Oct 17, 2016 7:23:21 GMT -5
*Not having Orton v. Edge at an anemic WrestleMania 23 *The total mishandling of Ryback *WWE royally ing up the Invasion angle. They did it way too soon. Should have slowly brought guys in and when the big guns like Hall/Hogan/Nash/Goldberg/Sting were ready, they could have turned. Like sleeper cells within WWE. *Hogan v. Flair *Hogan v. Austin *Brock v. Stone Cold
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Post by Matt on Oct 17, 2016 14:37:46 GMT -5
Cody Rhodes Bray Wyatt (although they could possibly turn it around) Damien Sandow
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Oct 17, 2016 15:21:12 GMT -5
Besides Sandow being MiZs stunt double he sucked. On TNA, sucks. EC3 nor the Kenny Omega would've ever happened under WWEs umbrella. Those guys needed to get away so THEY can actually invent themselves. Missed opportunities, Solomon Crowe, not calling up Chris Hero sooner. Nexus. Guys like Alex Riley, Zack Ryder being over but politics getting in the way. Or maybe it had something to do with A-Ry being a total bunghole.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2016 15:41:27 GMT -5
Besides Sandow being MiZs stunt double he sucked. On TNA, sucks. EC3 nor the Kenny Omega would've ever happened under WWEs umbrella. Those guys needed to get away so THEY can actually invent themselves. Missed opportunities, Solomon Crowe, not calling up Chris Hero sooner. Nexus. Guys like Alex Riley, Zack Ryder being over but politics getting in the way. Or maybe it had something to do with A-Ry being a total bunghole. Riley didn't start being a "bunghole" until last year or so when he started posting weird stuff on Twitter. And even though people will go "he deserved to get buried because he talked crap about Indy wrestlers", his missed opportunity had nothing to do with Kevin Owens, AJ Styles or whoever , since Riley was getting screwed long before WWE cares about other promotions. Back when the only big name Indy talents on the roster were CM Punk and Daniel Bryan, the latter of whom was once quoted in an interview as saying that he wanted to see Alex Riley on TV more because he had passion and energy and the crowd was into him despite him not being the best technical wrestler. And even then, you can't deny that he WAS screwed over and that he only got that way after getting frustrated after years of being humble, working hard to improve in the ring, waiting patiently and not being rewarded for it. Regardless of what people think of Alex Riley now, the truth is that he got over. Regardless if it was "because of Miz" or "because of his theme song", or whatever excuse people want to use, he was over. And he remained over for long after he stopped being relevant, but for whatever reason, WWE went out of their way to avoid using him, even in just a jobber capacity; he was underused even compared to someone like Ryder who is the poster boy of getting buried). Would he have been the next big star? I like the guy and even I don't really think he would have. But he didn't really get a chance.
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Post by greenjack1992 on Oct 17, 2016 16:51:25 GMT -5
Hogan vs Flair.
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Post by He Hate Me on Oct 17, 2016 17:53:02 GMT -5
Austin joining the alliance was stupid. If they could have put that off and saved his heel turn for him being the surprise new leader of the NWO after Hogan was kicked out. That could have been huge. Keep Austin completely away from the NWO from their debut until the reveal, have him go over Angle at WM X8 for revenge for Angle eliminating him the from the rumble. Hall could have went over Kane with help from Nash to give the group a win and give more reason for them to be upset with Hogan for his loss.
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Post by sonstuds on Oct 17, 2016 18:13:27 GMT -5
It's not even so much the Invasion angle itself that bothers me but just how so many guys became complete afterthoughts either during or after it. You bring DDP in as a stalker then relegate him into feuding over the European Title with Hardcore Holly and turn guys like Mike Awesome, Justin Credible, and Raven (though he was around before it) into jobbers? Maybe Awesome and Credible wouldn't have translated as well from the ECW to WWF audience, but a little effort would have been nice (and Raven would have, but 'tever). And yes, they should have put the belt on RVD at some point when his popularity was at its highest.
Anyways, by no stretch am I trying to act like it was a big missed opportunity but just as an honorable mention, that Kenzo Suzuk/René Duprée team was awesome. Wasn't a fan of either but together they became comedic gold somehow.
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Post by JokerFC on Oct 17, 2016 18:31:51 GMT -5
Ryback vs Mark Henry is a great call. Crowd went beserk when he hoisted Henry.....then the air got sucked out of the arena when THAT happened. Ryback will always have his haters but had they fed him some of the guys like Henry, Show etc? He would have been made......they had several opportunities to crack him but they just kept jobbing him.
Also his booking against Punk in HIAC was poor. Should he have won? NO!!! but there was a way for him to lose and get over as f*ck. Vince chose not to do this.
Confusing......
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