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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2016 12:16:27 GMT -5
Neca make great figures, but they lack the good articulation of wwe. I have a few predators, batman, jason, ect.. and their interchangeable parts always fall of or theyre just very stiff. The detail is insane, because they're directed towards collectors, while wwe are directed towards children Point Blank Neca a much smaller company is making better toys/collectibles with much fewer issues with there products than when compared to mattel's. So if Neca can figure it out in smaller batches at the same price point, why can't mattel ?? Mattel is simply lazy and cutting corners and its getting worse. If Mattel is going to continue this awful quality control combined with there crappy distribution I don't see why they should get to continue the wwe license. Being able to find and buy neca alien/predator figures in a actual store I want when compared to being able to find a specific new wwe figure is a joke. Mattel is probably the biggest toy producer in the world. They're not corners, they make solid business dicisions. The amount of figures they make compared to neca, is insurmountable. So mathematically, theres a higher chance in mattel figures having flaws. Unlike neca, mattel aim towards children and make toys that are not only displayable, but playable. Neca aim towards collectors and focus primarily on detail. Also, because you cant find a figure isnt the companies fault..its the stores and consumers. Some of you gind it so hard to grasp the concept that mattel is a billion dollar company, everything is done to turn a dime...not laziness.
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Post by powerfred3k on Dec 24, 2016 12:24:11 GMT -5
Point Blank Neca a much smaller company is making better toys/collectibles with much fewer issues with there products than when compared to mattel's. So if Neca can figure it out in smaller batches at the same price point, why can't mattel ?? Mattel is simply lazy and cutting corners and its getting worse. If Mattel is going to continue this awful quality control combined with there crappy distribution I don't see why they should get to continue the wwe license. Being able to find and buy neca alien/predator figures in a actual store I want when compared to being able to find a specific new wwe figure is a joke. If the entire consumer world was immune to imperfections then car companies wouldn't issue recalls in the hundred of thousands, and software companies wouldn't issue software constant updates/patches. We have to accept as a whole that the larger the company the harder it is to get a 100% or close to 100% rate. Mattels has tons of resources and millions of dollars at there disposal. I am sick of people constantly defending Mattels poor quality of new product. This is why I started saying #MakeMattelGreatAgain a while back and it still rings true today. Especially if you paid double or triple retail price via Ringside, eBay, etc. People need to hold Mattel to the same high standard as other toy makers in QC. Mattel needs to attract more people to its products not less. In this day and age of tablets and apps are taking away customers.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2016 12:37:35 GMT -5
The 'adult' way would be NOT to collect toys at all, since toys are supposed to be for children- aren't they?! Personally, I prefer loose as it allows me to display the figures in any way I want, putting each wrestler in different poses which I like to switch up every now and then. I think MOC looks weird, whenever I see pictures posted of someone's MOC collection I look to see where the price tags are as it looks like a display from a collectibles store not someone's personal collection. Collecting toys is a hobby for most people and as such there is NO correct way of collecting- my philosophy is do what you want, they way you want. The 'correct' way is the way that makes you happy- loose, MOC, mix of both, locked away in glass cabinets, do whatever you feel like it I say as long as you enjoy it. They are not lazy, they are a mega conglomerate that makes mass produced toys aimed mainly at children. The QC issues suck (especially the painted torso crap which needs to be addressed IMO) but due to these figures being marketed to kids I don't see Mattel carrying enough unless there is some huge uproar from customers, although even then I don't think anything significant will change. The bigger problem is the distribution issues and the fact that people are having a hard time finding these damn figures in stores.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2016 12:54:02 GMT -5
Sorry but you are way off base here- how are consumers to blame for not being able to find these figures?! This is ALL on Mattel- they make the product, its their responsibility to find a market to sell said product to consumers AND ensure that the retail outlets they signed deals with are keeping their shelves stocked on a regular basis. We should be able to go into a retail outlet and be able to purchase these figures with relative ease not resorting to go to multiple number of stores just to find one figure. The only blame on the consumers end is the damn scalpers who snatch up multiple figures of the more popular wrestlers but aside from the stores putting a limit on how many figures you can buy, there is not much else they can do about that.
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Post by PJ on Dec 24, 2016 13:02:09 GMT -5
Sorry but you are way off base here- how are consumers to blame for not being able to find these figures?! This is ALL on Mattel- they make the product, its their responsibility to find a market to sell said product to consumers AND ensure that the retail outlets they signed deals with are keeping their shelves stocked on a regular basis. We should be able to go into a retail outlet and be able to purchase these figures with relative ease not resorting to go to multiple number of stores just to find one figure. The only blame on the consumers end is the damn scalpers who snatch up multiple figures of the more popular wrestlers but aside from the stores putting a limit on how many figures you can buy, there is not much else they can do about that. Mattel ships basics every month Elites every two months. They ship the product to each stores main distribution centers. Who then in turn devide the product and ship it to their own regional distribution centers. Who then ship it to the stores in in their region. That has nothing to do with Mattel once the retailers main distribution center gets their shipments. That is up to the retailers to ship the product to their stores. So either the stores aren't ordering the product from their D/C's or you are missing it because others are buying it before you get there.
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Post by 'Exotic' Adrian Street on Dec 24, 2016 13:21:06 GMT -5
Sorry but you are way off base here- how are consumers to blame for not being able to find these figures?! This is ALL on Mattel- they make the product, its their responsibility to find a market to sell said product to consumers AND ensure that the retail outlets they signed deals with are keeping their shelves stocked on a regular basis. We should be able to go into a retail outlet and be able to purchase these figures with relative ease not resorting to go to multiple number of stores just to find one figure. The only blame on the consumers end is the damn scalpers who snatch up multiple figures of the more popular wrestlers but aside from the stores putting a limit on how many figures you can buy, there is not much else they can do about that. Mattel ships basics every month Elites every two months. They ship the product to each stores main distribution centers. Who then in turn devide the product and ship it to their own regional distribution centers. Who then ship it to the stores in in their region. That has nothing to do with Mattel once the retailers main distribution center gets their shipments. That is up to the retailers to ship the product to their stores. So either the stores aren't ordering the product from their D/C's or you are missing it because others are buying it before you get there. If that's the case then what happened to all of Targets Elite product? From E37 through E43?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2016 14:04:22 GMT -5
Mattel ships basics every month Elites every two months. They ship the product to each stores main distribution centers. Who then in turn devide the product and ship it to their own regional distribution centers. Who then ship it to the stores in in their region. That has nothing to do with Mattel once the retailers main distribution center gets their shipments. That is up to the retailers to ship the product to their stores. So either the stores aren't ordering the product from their D/C's or you are missing it because others are buying it before you get there. If that's the case then what happened to all of Targets Elite product? From E37 through E43? That's on Target. As a former employee, I'll tell ya, their policy is to not order anything until the shelves are almost, if not, totally empty. Makes sense to a certain degree but not when the same set of figures sit on a shelf for six months . To target, they see that as the shelves being full...regardless of what series is sitting on the pegs ATM.
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Post by 'Exotic' Adrian Street on Dec 24, 2016 14:11:27 GMT -5
If that's the case then what happened to all of Targets Elite product? From E37 through E43? That's on Target. As a former employee, I'll tell ya, their policy is to not order anything until the shelves are almost, if not, totally empty. Makes sense to a certain degree but not when the same set of figures sit on a shelf for six months . To target, they see that as the shelves being full...regardless of what series is sitting on the pegs ATM. I was just going off what PJ said. Mattel ships Basics monthly and Elites every other. Does that mean Target DC has them and doesn't send to stores since the store isn't reordering? And therefore sends to Big Lots? Curious how this all works I always thought the DC's just stopped ordering because they were overloaded (or just didn't want them)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2016 14:45:53 GMT -5
If the entire consumer world was immune to imperfections then car companies wouldn't issue recalls in the hundred of thousands, and software companies wouldn't issue software constant updates/patches. We have to accept as a whole that the larger the company the harder it is to get a 100% or close to 100% rate. Mattels has tons of resources and millions of dollars at there disposal. I am sick of people constantly defending Mattels poor quality of new product. This is why I started saying #MakeMattelGreatAgain a while back and it still rings true today. Especially if you paid double or triple retail price via Ringside, eBay, etc. People need to hold Mattel to the same high standard as other toy makers in QC. Mattel needs to attract more people to its products not less. In this day and age of tablets and apps are taking away customers. It was not me defending Mattel, it was me pointing out that major companies who mass produce items will have flaws, its inevitable. You named Neca and more than one person on here said they had similar flaws. That's not a good sign because they are sold in lower quantities. By your statement Neca, the company you're defending, actually has a worse ratio of quality items. And too, Making Mattel Great Again for those who paid double or triple at Ringside or eBay are dense. They're not paying a higher price for a more premium product. They're paying a higher price to someone who is making a profit on it, that has no validity in this argument. If I sold a figure to you for $100 it doesn't add qualities to make it a good figure, its me pocketing about $70 profit that I'm going to use to buy Buffalo Wild Wings.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2016 15:07:35 GMT -5
Sorry but you are way off base here- how are consumers to blame for not being able to find these figures?! This is ALL on Mattel- they make the product, its their responsibility to find a market to sell said product to consumers AND ensure that the retail outlets they signed deals with are keeping their shelves stocked on a regular basis. We should be able to go into a retail outlet and be able to purchase these figures with relative ease not resorting to go to multiple number of stores just to find one figure. The only blame on the consumers end is the damn scalpers who snatch up multiple figures of the more popular wrestlers but aside from the stores putting a limit on how many figures you can buy, there is not much else they can do about that. Mattel ships basics every month Elites every two months. They ship the product to each stores main distribution centers. Who then in turn devide the product and ship it to their own regional distribution centers. Who then ship it to the stores in in their region. That has nothing to do with Mattel once the retailers main distribution center gets their shipments. That is up to the retailers to ship the product to their stores. So either the stores aren't ordering the product from their D/C's or you are missing it because others are buying it before you get there. Exactly. Mattel ships to the stores disto centers. Its up to each idividual store to order. Mattel doesnt purposely hold out. They want to ship everything, to sell everything in order to make profit. Stop finding reason to point the finger
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Post by 'Exotic' Adrian Street on Dec 24, 2016 15:13:58 GMT -5
Mattel ships basics every month Elites every two months. They ship the product to each stores main distribution centers. Who then in turn devide the product and ship it to their own regional distribution centers. Who then ship it to the stores in in their region. That has nothing to do with Mattel once the retailers main distribution center gets their shipments. That is up to the retailers to ship the product to their stores. So either the stores aren't ordering the product from their D/C's or you are missing it because others are buying it before you get there. Exactly. Mattel ships to the stores disto centers. Its up to each idividual store to order. Mattel doesnt purposely hold out. They want to ship everything, to sell everything in order to make profit. Stop finding reason to point the finger So.........is Targets D/C's sitting on huge amounts of E37-E43? If not what happened to them if they get them every two months? That's a years worth of Elites that weren't in 75% of their stores.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2016 15:53:09 GMT -5
Its their product and if people are not able to find it then they still bear some of the responsibility IMO. If the stores aren't putting product on the shelves and its collecting dust at the warehouses then no one is going to buy them and if no one buys them (because they can't find them in this case) then Mattel may end up cancelling the line due to poor sales. Mattel needs to get together with the retailers and figure out what is happening with the distribution of these products and find a way to correct these problems. They are putting out way too much product IMO and this combined with the cost of these figures is what I believe is the cause of the current situation where older series are clogging shelves and preventing newer series from being stocked.
Exactly, this also applies to WM & TRU- at least here in Canada where the last elite series we saw was E39. We never saw E40-43, what happened to them- have they been ordered and are sitting in a warehouse somewhere or did WM & TRU not bother to order them at all and just ordered whatever the current series was at the time (in this case it appears it was the Lost Legends set)?!
This is what I was told by an employee at Walmart so this must be their policy as well. From the stores point of view its a good policy- sell off existing stock before adding more stock to shelves. The problem is that this type of policy doesn't lend well to collectible toys where new product is released regularly, collectors like to see new stuff on the shelves constantly or else they lose interest or will go somewhere else to find the product.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2016 16:20:29 GMT -5
That's on Target. As a former employee, I'll tell ya, their policy is to not order anything until the shelves are almost, if not, totally empty. Makes sense to a certain degree but not when the same set of figures sit on a shelf for six months . To target, they see that as the shelves being full...regardless of what series is sitting on the pegs ATM. I was just going off what PJ said. Mattel ships Basics monthly and Elites every other. Does that mean Target DC has them and doesn't send to stores since the store isn't reordering? And therefore sends to Big Lots? Curious how this all works I always thought the DC's just stopped ordering because they were overloaded (or just didn't want them) Idk man. Its a policy I don't necessarily agree with. It is what it is.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2016 16:22:28 GMT -5
Mattels has tons of resources and millions of dollars at there disposal. I am sick of people constantly defending Mattels poor quality of new product. This is why I started saying #MakeMattelGreatAgain a while back and it still rings true today. Especially if you paid double or triple retail price via Ringside, eBay, etc. People need to hold Mattel to the same high standard as other toy makers in QC. Mattel needs to attract more people to its products not less. In this day and age of tablets and apps are taking away customers. It was not me defending Mattel, it was me pointing out that major companies who mass produce items will have flaws, its inevitable. You named Neca and more than one person on here said they had similar flaws. That's not a good sign because they are sold in lower quantities. By your statement Neca, the company you're defending, actually has a worse ratio of quality items. And too, Making Mattel Great Again for those who paid double or triple at Ringside or eBay are dense. They're not paying a higher price for a more premium product. They're paying a higher price to someone who is making a profit on it, that has no validity in this argument. If I sold a figure to you for $100 it doesn't add qualities to make it a good figure, its me pocketing about $70 profit that I'm going to use to buy Buffalo Wild Wings. I wanna come with you if you're going to be figuratively dropping $70 on BWW.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2016 16:27:17 GMT -5
I just got my Dana Brooke and she has an enormous black spot of thick paint on her
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2016 16:38:03 GMT -5
It was not me defending Mattel, it was me pointing out that major companies who mass produce items will have flaws, its inevitable. You named Neca and more than one person on here said they had similar flaws. That's not a good sign because they are sold in lower quantities. By your statement Neca, the company you're defending, actually has a worse ratio of quality items. And too, Making Mattel Great Again for those who paid double or triple at Ringside or eBay are dense. They're not paying a higher price for a more premium product. They're paying a higher price to someone who is making a profit on it, that has no validity in this argument. If I sold a figure to you for $100 it doesn't add qualities to make it a good figure, its me pocketing about $70 profit that I'm going to use to buy Buffalo Wild Wings. I wanna come with you if you're going to be figuratively dropping $70 on BWW. Figuratively? WFigga, I do that literally. Get me some boneless with Mango Habanero, Honey BBQ, and usually a third from the Sauce Labs to mix it up. I like to enjoy the spoils of life, then talk down to myself being a piece of s*** to my body.
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Post by 'Exotic' Adrian Street on Dec 24, 2016 16:41:06 GMT -5
Oh and I just want to be clear. I don't have a problem with Mattel QC, at least personally. I've never really had an issue except an Elite falling and his leg snapping off
As a big Marvel Legends fan, I can say they are much worse quality than Mattel WWE. The girls figures break if you look at them wrong and every other Spidey is painted all screwed up. BAF pieces don't fit right half the time or are loose So all in all I don't think Hasbro is much better QC wise
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Post by TheLastDude on Dec 24, 2016 16:46:35 GMT -5
If that's the case then what happened to all of Targets Elite product? From E37 through E43? That's on Target. As a former employee, I'll tell ya, their policy is to not order anything until the shelves are almost, if not, totally empty. Makes sense to a certain degree but not when the same set of figures sit on a shelf for six months . To target, they see that as the shelves being full...regardless of what series is sitting on the pegs ATM. This. People seem to forget that toys aren't as important to other as they are to us. To Target, a wrestling figure is a wrestling figure. Hell, to pretty much all retail outlets, a toy is a toy. It comes down to is it a toy that sells...or does it not?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2016 16:47:17 GMT -5
Look guys I'm not trying to be an ass here & collecting is a great thing to do BUT I'm just having a real hard time wrapping my head around the fact that there's grown men actually playing with these things & wives who aren't cheating because their husbands refuse to grow up. I collect MOC not to "bitch & moan" because the package has a crease, I couldn't care any less, but because it's simply the adult way to do it. Way to insult a bunch of users here, and not be in the Christmas mood. Shalom Chaverim.
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Post by 'Exotic' Adrian Street on Dec 24, 2016 17:06:16 GMT -5
That's on Target. As a former employee, I'll tell ya, their policy is to not order anything until the shelves are almost, if not, totally empty. Makes sense to a certain degree but not when the same set of figures sit on a shelf for six months . To target, they see that as the shelves being full...regardless of what series is sitting on the pegs ATM. This. People seem to forget that toys aren't as important to other as they are to us. To Target, a wrestling figure is a wrestling figure. Hell, to pretty much all retail outlets, a toy is a toy. It comes down to is it a toy that sells...or does it not? One would think Target would have just an little interest in their inventory and stocking Mattel WWE stuff, seeing they pay Mattel to do exclusives to their store
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