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Post by ClashOfStyles on Feb 5, 2017 20:33:13 GMT -5
God I hope not, I fear you're right, but until then I can pray. Various sites are saying that it's one of Vince's dream matches and he's been wanting to do it for awhile, and that he wants it as a "passing of the torch" moment. I guess they'd rather have his dream match than the fans, the people who buy their merchandise and pay thousands to go to the show and watch on the WWE Network in however many ing countries they want to say every week.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Feb 5, 2017 20:33:49 GMT -5
People applaud Cena for putting on stellar matches with Styles, Owens, Rollins, etc. He's put a lot of those guys over but it's not by choice. One Triple H's influence kicked in about 4 years ago, Cena stopped getting his way in a lot of aspects. Triple H has his guys that are protected, Cena can't run rough shot through everyone anymore. I think Vince has finally realized that as well, you can't create new stars if they're constantly taking turns being fed to one guy. This alone reinforces what Ryback said about how Triple H rejuvenated NXT as a vehicle to make sure the next crop of main event guys don't bow down to John Cena. Ryback is correct on that by all means. I can tell Triple H wants the guys who came from NXT to be top stars and not have to be looked down by Cena. One of many reasons what plagued Cena is he was overexposed. Especially during his WWE Championship run's from 2005-2007. Organic or not, John Cena and Batista are the last two household names the WWE created. These days, it seems more of an ensemble cast than anything else. Why is this? One person, Vincent Kennedy McMahon. Vince fears should he create a new household name, he will **** him over and leave for other ventures. We are seeing a shift in how the WWE creates main event players. Compared to the top acts of yesteryear, the newer crop of main eventers are masquerading as such. Sure guys can move merch but what matters is how the fans perceive certain guys. When the fans became smart to what the WWE was doing, the fans turned on Cena out of left field. I have more to say but I'm leaving it here.
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Feb 5, 2017 21:05:41 GMT -5
He got over organically during his Dr. of Thuganomics character from 2003-2005 so you're wrong there lol. It was only until he got drafted to RAW and became Super Cena when the backlash had begun.
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Post by LA Times on Feb 5, 2017 21:11:53 GMT -5
John Cena isnt the greatest of all time, but whether people like it or not, he is one of the top 5 biggest stars in wrestling history
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Post by TurboEddie on Feb 5, 2017 21:40:56 GMT -5
John Cena got over organically, but was hand picked by WWE to be the face of the company, and they went too far with him. They made him invincible and an overachiever, and fans got tired him steamrolling over the roster and winning titles, and turned on him.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Feb 5, 2017 23:04:18 GMT -5
He is tremendously overrated. People like to pretend that he gave back to the business with the matches that he had during his last US Title run, but it was the exact opposite - he hurt way more many careers than he actually helped. Sorry, but how exactly did it help someone like Cesaro in the long run when Cena kicked out of numerous finishers with zero effort? To this day, I can't name a single feud that John Cena has lost since 2005 without some sort of kayfabe excuse behind it. His promo he cut a few weeks ago on AJ was despicable, and he's been flat out running down guys on the mic for a while now without there being any payoff. If anything, Cena has proven to be an even bigger a-hole recently than most common fans thought he was.
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Post by Ember's Flame on Feb 5, 2017 23:09:49 GMT -5
He'll never be it. Because he already is it. And that is not an alternative fact.
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Post by Papi Joker on Feb 5, 2017 23:35:35 GMT -5
well as of 10 years, he is the latest and only GOAT. Or you gonna tell me Seth Hoppings (aka Jimmy McInjury Prone) or Dean Ambrose (aka Discount Store Brian Pillman) are the next in line?
He is still on top, and dont get me wrong I hated the crap outta him!!! but he does grow on ya, lets face it he has the best physique and would easily crush our skulls if he wanted.
They say you can measure a man's greatness by looking at his Mrs... and what do you see???
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Post by k5 on Feb 5, 2017 23:51:43 GMT -5
bruno, hogan, austin, rock, cena in no specific order. i'm by no means a cena fan but you have to give the devil his due...he's at least made it into the conversation enough to be heavily debated, which speaks for it self to a degree.
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Post by Rob on Feb 6, 2017 0:06:49 GMT -5
You must have not watched WWE during 03-05 because Cena very much so had an organic rise to the top.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Feb 6, 2017 0:35:18 GMT -5
Hogan was on top from 1984 - 1993
Austin and Rock shared the same spot on top from 1998 - 2002
Cena has been on top since 2005 - 2017
I think Cena may very well be the greatest of all time just based on longevity that his career has had.
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Post by J12 on Feb 6, 2017 0:39:01 GMT -5
The reason Cena won't earn the status of greatest of all time is pretty simple - he's the anchor of a down period of business.
He deserves a huge amount of credit for his longevity, but his entire run on top has taken place during the post Attitude Era slump and subsequent downward spiral of ratings.
And you can certainly make an argument that some of that is because of him, though that's an entirely different conversation.
Conversely, though, you have fans spending more money than ever on the product. There's just a lot less of them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 8:33:10 GMT -5
He is tremendously overrated. People like to pretend that he gave back to the business with the matches that he had during his last US Title run, but it was the exact opposite - he hurt way more many careers than he actually helped. Sorry, but how exactly did it help someone like Cesaro in the long run when Cena kicked out of numerous finishers with zero effort? To this day, I can't name a single feud that John Cena has lost since 2005 without some sort of kayfabe excuse behind it. His promo he cut a few weeks ago on AJ was despicable, and he's been flat out running down guys on the mic for a while now without there being any payoff. If anything, Cena has proven to be an even bigger a-hole recently than most common fans thought he was. Yep some one will bring up Daniel Bryan but they are wrong. the next night on Raw Cena made sure to point out his injured elbow.
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Post by bigshab421 on Feb 6, 2017 8:50:39 GMT -5
I think post Attitude Era he is. I mean he has had the longest sustained run as the top guy of the company for what, 12 years now? He moves merch like no other, puts on classic matches consistently, ticket sales are better when he is there, he is mainstream, I mean what else do you want from the guy?
Is he better than Austin, or Hogan.....No, but he is up there as one of the GOAT, and it is undeniable.
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Post by ARUN on Feb 6, 2017 10:14:10 GMT -5
But there are tons of kids who love him and eventually they will be adults talking about how they grew up with him and why he is the greatest ever. And Lord knows another legends great will lose their spot on the GoaT list. It happens all the time so while it might not happen in my lifetime I'm sure it will happen. Agreed.
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Post by The Undertaker on Feb 6, 2017 10:23:14 GMT -5
This could not be more spot on. He is tremendously overrated. People like to pretend that he gave back to the business with the matches that he had during his last US Title run, but it was the exact opposite - he hurt way more many careers than he actually helped. Sorry, but how exactly did it help someone like Cesaro in the long run when Cena kicked out of numerous finishers with zero effort? To this day, I can't name a single feud that John Cena has lost since 2005 without some sort of kayfabe excuse behind it. His promo he cut a few weeks ago on AJ was despicable, and he's been flat out running down guys on the mic for a while now without there being any payoff. If anything, Cena has proven to be an even bigger a-hole recently than most common fans thought he was.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 10:30:56 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan beat Cena clean at Summer Slam even after Cena dropped dbry on his head on a top rope styles clash.... Cena is ing garbage for being the top guy of the last ten tears. I mean he gets strong bood reactions and the mans never been a bad guy. Hes beaten tje greats but everyone loves the greats more than him. Daniel Bryan was the GOAT Face they even called him that. Lol the damn iwc smarks would try and convince people Cena is the GOAT LMFAO
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Post by punksnotdead on Feb 6, 2017 10:38:36 GMT -5
Haha... I don't even think John Cena is one of the top 10 greatest total package stars in wrestling history, let alone the GOAT. I mean if you want to talk about guys who were the face of the company, and marketing, and star power, sure, an entirely different conversation, but ok, but, like Hogan, there have been more talented total package guys on the roster the entire length of Cena's career.
The only feasible way you can think John Cena is the GOAT is 1) you blindly believe WWE's narrative, or 2) you're confusing the term GOAT with popularity. In-ring ability, selling, psychology, charisma, promo ability, Cena isn't even in the top 5 in any one of these single categories, let alone the greatest total package guy for all of them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 11:09:33 GMT -5
speaking of Cena I was appalled by the story JTG told about Cena in his book.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Feb 6, 2017 12:18:39 GMT -5
Lol the damn iwc smarks would try and convince people Cena is the GOAT LMFAO Yes, John Cena has always been a smark favourite. I like your grammar more on this account than your bangarang one.
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