xtremebadass
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Post by xtremebadass on Feb 6, 2017 12:29:39 GMT -5
John Cena wasn't forced on the fans. Cena was incredibly popular working his way up the ranks of WWE. He got over with his own unique personality and rapping. Fans loved him. He elevated himself to the WWE title picture. Once he won it, he made it. He wasn't forced on anyone. He was the best guy for the job.
WWE just chose to run with him AFTER he won the belt. Still I don't think he was being forced on anyone, because he was established and credible at the time.
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bigraj
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Post by bigraj on Feb 6, 2017 12:42:33 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan beat Cena clean at Summer Slam even after Cena dropped dbry on his head on a top rope styles clash.... Cena is ing garbage for being the top guy of the last ten tears. I mean he gets strong bood reactions and the mans never been a bad guy. Hes beaten tje greats but everyone loves the greats more than him. It's been a while, but his Thuganomics gimmick was a heel at first, and he feuded with babyface Brock and Eddie, etc. That's when he started gaining popularity until turning babyface. I don't think he's the G.O.A.T., but at least I've gotten over my blind Cena hate over the last few years.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Feb 6, 2017 13:13:28 GMT -5
speaking of Cena I was appalled by the story JTG told about Cena in his book. What happened?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 14:28:27 GMT -5
speaking of Cena I was appalled by the story JTG told about Cena in his book. What happened? JTG did an interview with WWE magazine and he used the words respect and loyalty to describe his partner shad. he realized what he did and asked the writer to not use those words. the writer did Cena found out JTG was supposed to be getting his first piece of merchandise and cena put a stop to it. Listen form about 4:30.
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Post by hbkowns on Feb 6, 2017 15:14:34 GMT -5
JTG did an interview with WWE magazine and he used the words respect and loyalty to describe his partner shad. he realized what he did and asked the writer to not use those words. the writer did Cena found out JTG was supposed to be getting his first piece of merchandise and cena put a stop to it. Listen form about 4:30. What a piece of sh*t I hear horror stories about Cena all the time and some of the stuff is unbelievably terrifying. Maybe this is why wwe apparently doesn't want another big mega star like Cena. I'm not saying JTG could have been a huge star, but you look at other guys that have been fed to Cena and realize they could have been huge deals. Everybody says "John Cena is the bigger draw, made the most money, blah blah blah." But imagine if there were other guys at Cena's level these past 12 years and how successful WWE could have been. Cena's stroke killed a lot careers dead in their path. I really am interested in hearing Alex Riley's side of what happened between him and Cena.
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Post by sitruC on Feb 6, 2017 15:43:00 GMT -5
Cena won't be the GOAT because of fans who miss the good old days and only talk about how good WWE used to be.
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Post by Rude Awakening on Feb 6, 2017 16:27:29 GMT -5
speaking of Cena I was appalled by the story JTG told about Cena in his book. when you have nothing to say so you steal the exact quote the guy says in the video. It's funny these stories come out after the guys are done with wwe.
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Post by J12 on Feb 6, 2017 16:30:33 GMT -5
speaking of Cena I was appalled by the story JTG told about Cena in his book. when you have nothing to say so you steal the exact quote the guy says in the video. It's funny these stories come out after the guys are done with wwe. That's always been a funny excuse to me. Why would these guy risk their jobs to speak out against John Cena? It makes perfect sense that they wouldn't come out with it until after they've been let go. That doesn't mean they're all believable or credible or should be taken as gospel, but I don't think the "he must be lying and bitter" stock response holds much water just because the information came after the guy left the company.
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Post by Rude Awakening on Feb 6, 2017 16:35:35 GMT -5
when you have nothing to say so you steal the exact quote the guy says in the video. It's funny these stories come out after the guys are done with wwe. That's always been a funny excuse to me. Why would these guy risk their jobs to speak out against John Cena? It makes perfect sense that they wouldn't come out with it until after they've been let go. That doesn't mean they're all believable or credible or should be taken as gospel, but I don't think the "he must be lying and bitter" stock response holds much water just because the information came after the guy left the company. If it is true it is really nasty thing to do, but why wouldn't you stand up for yourself. I get it that John is a top guy that Vince cherishes, but how about speaking out while you're still employed so if wwe fires you that makes them look like an ass? Isn't that why Vince never liked John Morrison because he didn't stand up to Batista?
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Post by J12 on Feb 6, 2017 16:41:05 GMT -5
That's always been a funny excuse to me. Why would these guy risk their jobs to speak out against John Cena? It makes perfect sense that they wouldn't come out with it until after they've been let go. That doesn't mean they're all believable or credible or should be taken as gospel, but I don't think the "he must be lying and bitter" stock response holds much water just because the information came after the guy left the company. If it is true it is really nasty thing to do, but why wouldn't you stand up for yourself. I get it that John is a top guy that Vince cherishes, but how about speaking out while you're still employed so if wwe fires you that makes them look like an ass? Isn't that why Vince never liked John Morrison because he didn't stand up to Batista? Who knows. Lots of dynamics to the backstage politics that we'll never really understand, I'd imagine. I'm sure there's some truth to a lot of these stories about Cena, though I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if they're exaggerated or the wrestler is drawing conclusions based on perception rather than fact. If Cena is in fact guilty of any of the stuff he's been accused of, though, we shouldn't really be surprised. All of the top guys have played politics to some degree, no matter how secure they felt in their position.
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Post by Rude Awakening on Feb 6, 2017 16:42:53 GMT -5
If it is true it is really nasty thing to do, but why wouldn't you stand up for yourself. I get it that John is a top guy that Vince cherishes, but how about speaking out while you're still employed so if wwe fires you that makes them look like an ass? Isn't that why Vince never liked John Morrison because he didn't stand up to Batista? Who knows. Lots of dynamics to the backstage politics that we'll never really understand, I'd imagine. I'm sure there's some truth to a lot of these stories about Cena, though I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if they're exaggerated or the wrestler is drawing conclusions based on perception rather than fact. If Cena is in fact guilty of any of the stuff he's been accused of, though, we shouldn't really be surprised. All of the top guys have played politics to some degree, no matter how secure they felt in their position. Yeah I agree. Some of that stuff about what jbl, benoit, holly used to do is crazy if it's true.
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Post by hbkowns on Feb 6, 2017 17:10:14 GMT -5
That's always been a funny excuse to me. Why would these guy risk their jobs to speak out against John Cena? It makes perfect sense that they wouldn't come out with it until after they've been let go. That doesn't mean they're all believable or credible or should be taken as gospel, but I don't think the "he must be lying and bitter" stock response holds much water just because the information came after the guy left the company. If it is true it is really nasty thing to do, but why wouldn't you stand up for yourself. I get it that John is a top guy that Vince cherishes, but how about speaking out while you're still employed so if wwe fires you that makes them look like an ass? Isn't that why Vince never liked John Morrison because he didn't stand up to Batista? Easier said than done.
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Post by Manning Of Steel on Feb 7, 2017 7:55:24 GMT -5
For those saying John Cena got over organically with the Dr. of Thuganomics gimmick, you're right he did. I should have been more specific. He DID NOT get over organically as the top guy. Yes, he rose to stardom and certainly deserved to be in the World Title picture, but after less than a year of being on top, he was getting booed by half or more of the audience.
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bigraj
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Post by bigraj on Feb 7, 2017 9:35:32 GMT -5
For those saying John Cena got over organically with the Dr. of Thuganomics gimmick, you're right he did. I should have been more specific. He DID NOT get over organically as the top guy. Yes, he rose to stardom and certainly deserved to be in the World Title picture, but after less than a year of being on top, he was getting booed by half or more of the audience. And yet he was still the prime mover in the company. He was so over that the company switched the shows their two champions were on. He was the top merch seller, and from what WWE has said about it over the years the #2 seller was rarely close. He was the only legit and consistent ratings draw and asses-in-seats guy they had. Could they have done more to push a few other guys? Of course. The company still knows how to make stars, but things have shaken out like they have. And for the couple of guys that Cena feuded with while they were white hot (Punk and Bryan), he put them over. Other factors (storyline and HHH, injuries) cooled those guys off. Punk was never that hot again, and DB retired. And I'm not a Cena = G.O.A.T. guy. Hell, I was as big a hater as anyone and was already tired of him by the time he beat Big Show at WM XX. I stopped watching WWE for a couple of years (Jericho-HBK '08 brought me back) largely because of Cena. But most of the excuses I see people giving are just lame. The guy has an unbeatable work ethic, despite sloppy execution he has put on many of the best matches in North America during his run as THE guy, and he's been one of the best promo guys during that time. He's certainly the best of his era. As a performer he's earned the respect of this old fan, and that's something I never thought I'd say.
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Post by Manning Of Steel on Feb 7, 2017 10:56:30 GMT -5
For those saying John Cena got over organically with the Dr. of Thuganomics gimmick, you're right he did. I should have been more specific. He DID NOT get over organically as the top guy. Yes, he rose to stardom and certainly deserved to be in the World Title picture, but after less than a year of being on top, he was getting booed by half or more of the audience. And yet he was still the prime mover in the company. He was so over that the company switched the shows their two champions were on. He was the top merch seller, and from what WWE has said about it over the years the #2 seller was rarely close. He was the only legit and consistent ratings draw and asses-in-seats guy they had. Could they have done more to push a few other guys? Of course. The company still knows how to make stars, but things have shaken out like they have. And for the couple of guys that Cena feuded with while they were white hot (Punk and Bryan), he put them over. Other factors (storyline and HHH, injuries) cooled those guys off. Punk was never that hot again, and DB retired. And I'm not a Cena = G.O.A.T. guy. Hell, I was as big a hater as anyone and was already tired of him by the time he beat Big Show at WM XX. I stopped watching WWE for a couple of years (Jericho-HBK '08 brought me back) largely because of Cena. But most of the excuses I see people giving are just lame. The guy has an unbeatable work ethic, despite sloppy execution he has put on many of the best matches in North America during his run as THE guy, and he's been one of the best promo guys during that time. He's certainly the best of his era. As a performer he's earned the respect of this old fan, and that's something I never thought I'd say. Ive always been able to overlook his elbow bumping, but the thing that had always irked me is how lazy he is with his own submission finisher: When it's supposed to look like this:
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Post by ohernan6 on Feb 7, 2017 18:45:25 GMT -5
Simply put, even more so than he was forced on us, is that all of his legacy is documented and detailed.
No matter how far you go in the future, when a fan plays back a 'classic' John Cena match, 95% of the time that person will hear his audience BOO when he was supposed to be cheered.
That simple.
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Post by Truth HuRts on Feb 8, 2017 2:22:03 GMT -5
if Cena was around in the hogan era everyone would love him
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Feb 9, 2017 18:23:29 GMT -5
if Cena was around in the hogan era everyone would love him Even bangarang?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2017 17:04:23 GMT -5
He can have all the accolades they want to give him but he'll never be the greatest.
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Post by fzmadness on Feb 12, 2017 17:26:08 GMT -5
He got over on his own. Between WM 19 and 20 he was the hottest wrestler on the roster. Its that when he got over he was shoved down our throats. I dont hate the guy and after all this time you have to respect him but damn he just kept getting the title back. Even when he wasnt interesting anymore he was still the main guy. I will give him credit though, CM Punk, bryan, and a whole bunch of guys have come and gone and he is still here. I hope they keep him edgy for awhile like he has been. At least he is more tolerable that way.
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