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Post by Funk The Revival on Apr 7, 2017 8:31:07 GMT -5
Thought the IC Title was the shiz from July onwards last year - it absolutely should have Main Evented No Mercy. Your options are interesting (anything with Kurt is) but I don't think it's worth pulling the trigger just yet. The US Title has been booked even worse on RAW, let's hope things improve. Being on the pre show was disappointing but the match itself was the bigger let down
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Post by IRS on Apr 7, 2017 10:45:18 GMT -5
I'm going to get hate for this - but Ambrose didn't deserve a spot on the main card after that clusterf**k of a match he had with Brock at 32. Plus, I wanted to see the SD Women's match more. Wasn't his fault. He wanted to do much more with the match, but Brock shot it down because he didn't want to take any risks for his UFC return. So we got stuck with the generic Brock squash.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2017 10:50:45 GMT -5
I'm going to get hate for this - but Ambrose didn't deserve a spot on the main card after that clusterf**k of a match he had with Brock at 32. Plus, I wanted to see the SD Women's match more. Brock was the reason for the cluster , and he went for the WWE title, Ambrose got the pre-show. That's fair.
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Post by Glorydaysofwrestling on Apr 7, 2017 11:12:40 GMT -5
Unfortunately the ic title hasn't meant shat since the Rock and Austin had a feud over it. Tons of great wrestlers have held it since but the company hasn't booked it like it matters since.
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Post by ClashOfStyles on Apr 7, 2017 11:34:50 GMT -5
I was super pissed that they bumped it to the pre-show. The women's match was even worse than Ambrose/Corbin, the latter of which should have been their match from SD this week. The option C thing is great imo and they should do it with both the IC and U.S. Titles.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2017 11:48:31 GMT -5
I'm going to get hate for this - but Ambrose didn't deserve a spot on the main card after that clusterf**k of a match he had with Brock at 32. Plus, I wanted to see the SD Women's match more. Brock was the reason for the cluster , and he went for the WWE title, Ambrose got the pre-show. That's fair. No - it's not fair. Lesnar didn't deserve to be at WrestleMania at all after last year, and he certainly does not deserve another title run.
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Post by LostHawk05 on Apr 7, 2017 11:53:00 GMT -5
The match they had on Smackdown is what they should have done at Mania imo. Street Fight for the title with Corbin winning.
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Post by BØRNS on Apr 7, 2017 13:19:34 GMT -5
I'm more upset that someone like Ambrose was on the pre show. FGS he is on the same level as KO, Rollins, Reigns etc and he deserved much better. He shouldn't even have the IC title either because he's beyond that title and should be in the main event. Finally the only reason why the match was on the pre show was because people cried anout the SD women's title. A match that sucked so I hope everyone who cried was satisfied. This is what I was thinking, too. Ambrose was WWE Champion in the fall, and doesn't even get a spot on the main card? Not to mention he's been the #2/3 guy on SD since the draft.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Apr 7, 2017 14:30:19 GMT -5
Unfortunately the ic title hasn't meant shat since the Rock and Austin had a feud over it. Tons of great wrestlers have held it since but the company hasn't booked it like it matters since. The feud where Austin didn't want it and threw it in the river?
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Post by Triple S on Apr 7, 2017 14:50:59 GMT -5
-- Triple S, that's like the 2nd idea of mine you've $#!t on today, with no constructive input. Criticism is fine, but dude, offer something better or could make it better. I did. Not doing an option C gimmick or changing the color of the strap. We have these threads every few months of "What would make ________ better?" Same responses every time. What they did with John Cena and the United States Championship helped. It's all about making the title seem important. Current wrestling has no real mid-card anymore. Nothing like it was in the 90's, but only die hard wrestling fans care about that stuff. Tag team wrestling, women's wrestling, mid-carders... all have the tools to make them great, but nobody cares.
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Post by J12 on Apr 7, 2017 15:15:00 GMT -5
I felt bad for Ambrose and Corbin, but given the rest of the card, there just wasn't room for that match on an already bloated show. The Women's title match replaced it due to fan backlash on Twitter, and look how much time it got. Under 6 minutes. If Ambrose/Corbin had been on the main show, it probably would have been in that slot and people would have still complained.
The build was alright, but the match sucked. Thankfully, they were given some time to redeem themselves on Smackdown and they did.
While I agree that the Intercontinental Title deserves better, they weren't going to fix it overnight with a match on the Wrestlemania main card.
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Post by TheWrestleGeek on Apr 7, 2017 15:26:12 GMT -5
Unfortunately the ic title hasn't meant shat since the Rock and Austin had a feud over it. Tons of great wrestlers have held it since but the company hasn't booked it like it matters since. The feud where Austin didn't want it and threw it in the river? Yeah, I was about to about say. I don't think anyone wants the title anyway.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Apr 7, 2017 16:34:12 GMT -5
I'm going to get hate for this - but Ambrose didn't deserve a spot on the main card after that clusterf**k of a match he had with Brock at 32. Plus, I wanted to see the SD Women's match more. Ambrose had so many spots planned for that match but Brock shot them all down. He apparently wanted to fight Wyatt that year because it would be a guaranteed safe match. I also heard that the McMahon's didn't want Ambrose's spots either because they didn't want anything to overshadow Shane's cell jump so basically Ambrose was screwed from all directions.
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Post by johnnyaustin21 on Apr 7, 2017 17:21:17 GMT -5
I've felt for a long time now that the IC Title and also the US Title aren't need anymore and need to be put to rest.Both titles are redundant and don't add anything to the product.What makes the IC & US Title different for the WWE or Universal,the answer is nothing.Every title should mean something different and give us different types of match ups and styles.Thats why I think the WWE should cut back to just the World,Tag Team,Women's & Cruiser Weight titles,all of which gives us different styles of matches and mean something different.If need be and the WWE real wants a mid card title still it needs to have a fresh start and a unique type of gimmick to it like a TV Title,maybe call it the Network Title thats defend every week and possibly has a time limit to the match length like 20 minutes or a Hardcore Title.Again really feel that every title should mean something different and give us fans a different feel and match types.
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Post by cordless2016 on Apr 7, 2017 18:29:12 GMT -5
I was very pissed about it on the pre show. Not just for the title, but Dean and Baron deserved to be on the main card.
Dean is above the IC Title. It's sad as if he was given the mega pushes that Roman and Seth get he'd be the most over of the three. Look at the pops he was getting in 2014 and mid-2015 when given a decent push.
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Post by cordless2016 on Apr 7, 2017 18:32:39 GMT -5
I'm going to get hate for this - but Ambrose didn't deserve a spot on the main card after that clusterf**k of a match he had with Brock at 32. Plus, I wanted to see the SD Women's match more. Even though Brock is the main reason for it being trash. He didn't want to do anything. It was also reported that the bookers didn't want the match overshadowing Roman/HHH and Shane/Taker. Dean said he tried like crazy to make something out of that match and got shot down at every turn. And people say Dean doesn't give it his all...
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Post by Nivro™ on Apr 7, 2017 18:39:12 GMT -5
There are essentially 2 "world" champions. One of which has been passed between 2 part timers. The oldest lineage for a tag title starts in 2003. The United States title uses a lineage that was merged with the IC Title, which was merged with the World Title....which was merged with the WWE Title. To sum it up, titles mean absolutely nothing in WWE. They're just a prop to advance a story line.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Apr 7, 2017 19:29:11 GMT -5
I'm going to get hate for this - but Ambrose didn't deserve a spot on the main card after that clusterf**k of a match he had with Brock at 32. Plus, I wanted to see the SD Women's match more. Even though Brock is the main reason for it being trash. He didn't want to do anything. It was also reported that the bookers didn't want the match overshadowing Roman/HHH and Shane/Taker. Dean said he tried like crazy to make something out of that match and got shot down at every turn. And people say Dean doesn't give it his all... For 5 years Ambrose has been one of the company's hardest workers and despite working his ass off he gives more than he gets in return.
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Post by cordless2016 on Apr 7, 2017 21:47:09 GMT -5
Even though Brock is the main reason for it being trash. He didn't want to do anything. It was also reported that the bookers didn't want the match overshadowing Roman/HHH and Shane/Taker. Dean said he tried like crazy to make something out of that match and got shot down at every turn. And people say Dean doesn't give it his all... For 5 years Ambrose has been one of the company's hardest workers and despite working his ass off he gives more than he gets in return. Ambrose has said himself that he's the "tool" of the WWE where if they need him to fill in somewhere, they can anywhere on the card and he will deliver. Problem is he'll never have the backing of HHH and Vince like his Shield bretheran. The guy was working 6-7 nights a week on a regular basis throughout last year yet is treated like the red-haired cousin of the WWE.
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Post by ahunter8056 on Apr 8, 2017 18:05:58 GMT -5
It's just the fact that it was the lowest match on the card (apart from Aries/Neville, which was almost guaranteed for the pre-show anyway). It wasn't really that big of a matchup to be worth putting on the main show. Only a handful of interactions beforehand. Not really a good buildup. Nor is Baron Corbin exactly a big star either. Finally the only reason why the match was on the pre show was because people cried anout the SD women's title. A match that sucked so I hope everyone who cried was satisfied. Oh, I'm sorry that expecting equality in the 21st century is tantamount to "crying". You're right, it's totally irrational to expect woman to be given similar opportunities to men, right? Seriously, even suggesting that what few women they have are only fit for the pre-show is just insulting to women, considering the fact that until this year, each WrestleMania had a maximum of ONE women's match. The SmackDown Women's Championship is the female equivalent to the WWE Championship. Do you think it's fine to put a world championship on a damn pre-show? The reason the match sucked was that it was far, far, far shorter than it should have been. 5 and a half bloody minutes for a match with 6 women?! The idiots responsible for allocating the time to that match don't deserve to allocate time to any match again. Again, insulting to the women in that match for being given such a disgustingly short amount of time. There are so many ways they could have organised the show better to allocate enough time. Cut a few minutes off of Triple H/Seth Rollins, cut a few minutes off of AJ Styles/Shane McMahon, get rid of the music performance. There were so many options to allocate enough time to the matches that needed it, yet they chose not to. You can't put blame on the women involved in the match or the fans that rightly feel that women deserve equality in the 21st century for terrible backstage decisions.
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