weaseltv
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Post by weaseltv on Jul 25, 2017 23:56:58 GMT -5
Whether people like it or not Cena vs Nakamura is a "dream" matchup. Really the match is something you would want to see at a ppv instead of a Smackdown live show. So, based on Shinsuke's matches so far, is there a bigger reason for making this matchup now instead of waiting for a bigger show? Cena has a proven knack for getting the best out of his opponents. Does management think now, that they need to see more (wrestling-wise) out of Shinsuke? or... do you think this is just part of the writers plans from the beginning.
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Post by Codyverse: Tag Team Champion on Jul 26, 2017 0:09:06 GMT -5
I see Corbin costing Nakamura the match. They're not finished yet.
I think it's a way to tie all four men together.
Cena will beat Jinder. He's a good guy so I can see him granting Nakamura a title match down the line. Insert Corbin.. will he cash in? Or will he just tease it?
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Post by tylerbreezee on Jul 26, 2017 1:34:04 GMT -5
Yeah, means that America boutta have crushed Bulgaria, Japan, and then India on the path to 17 title reigns
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Post by mutafan on Jul 26, 2017 8:13:53 GMT -5
Cena back just to go win the belt again and then loose right away again. wwe sucks. his 17 title reigns will be nothing compared to flair's 16. to me Vince wants to make sure Flairs record gets broken by one of his guys that he made like Cena because Flair was never one of his creations Flair did it on his own.
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Post by T R W on Jul 26, 2017 8:26:21 GMT -5
It's more short sighted booking by WWE. The first meeting between these two should be at the top of a card of a PPV. Not a tv match probably ending in shenanigans.
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Post by blissfan4life on Jul 26, 2017 8:33:41 GMT -5
Big Match John on his way to title number 17
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Post by punksnotdead on Jul 26, 2017 8:43:15 GMT -5
Would the real Shinsuke Nakamura please stand up? The King of Strong Style has been missing since 4/1/16. Have you seen him?
I think they're largely doing the match so they don't miss their shot at doing it. Who knows when it could happen again with the roster shakeups and with Cena only working in a part time capacity. WWE isn't exactly huge on face vs face matchups and there is about a zero percent chance either guy turns heel. I don't care if it happens at WrestleMania or on Superstars, just as long as both guys absolutely bring it until we get the inevitable Corbin interference. This feels like something they fully intend to put on that Best of Raw and Smackdown 2017 DVD.
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Post by Bandalero on Jul 26, 2017 10:18:41 GMT -5
Nakamura has been nothing short of "meh" as a performer since his main roster call-up. Either he's lost motivation or the writers really don't know what to do with this guy. But like the original Mistico, Nakamura comes with all this international hype yet all his matches sans his first match vs. Sami Zayne in NXT have been sub-par at best. He's shown nothing that makes him so special elsewhere, oh he's limber to bend his knees backwards I guess...and I actually love Nakamura's NXT entrances.
He's losing his way, so I think this match with Cena will be make or break for him. It'll be a dusty finish with Corbin running in for sure. But if he can't impress in the ring with Mr. 5 Moves of Doom, then I'm not going to miss him on his trip back to Japan cuz he's clearly unmotivated.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 10:45:02 GMT -5
Act like this isn't leading to Nakamura and AJ Styles for the US title and MOTY
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Post by bigshab421 on Jul 26, 2017 10:48:21 GMT -5
Corbin will cost Nakamura the match, I am almost 100% of that. Or Nakamura wins, beats Jinder and then Corbin cashes in on Nak.
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Post by J12 on Jul 26, 2017 11:05:44 GMT -5
Would the real Shinsuke Nakamura please stand up? The King of Strong Style has been missing since 4/1/16. Have you seen him? I think they're largely doing the match so they don't miss their shot at doing it. Who knows when it could happen again with the roster shakeups and with Cena only working in a part time capacity. WWE isn't exactly huge on face vs face matchups and there is about a zero percent chance either guy turns heel. I don't care if it happens at WrestleMania or on Superstars, just as long as both guys absolutely bring it until we get the inevitable Corbin interference. This feels like something they fully intend to put on that Best of Raw and Smackdown 2017 DVD. Yeah. There are a few things I think are at play here. Like you said, Cena is a part time guy and they really don't know how much longer they've got with him. I think that's precisely why we've seen a shift in the main event scene over the last few months and why, for a while, it seemed like they were going to put Lesnar/Reigns on Summerslam. They want the Cena/Reigns match and they're worried that if they don't do it (relatively) soon, they may lose their chance. This is the same deal, on a much smaller scale. I also think this is a test for Shinsuke. To say he's been underwhelming since coming to the main roster would be an understatement. If he can't tear the house down with "big match John", there isn't much hope for his WWE career going forward, at least as a main event player. Remember, Vince McMahon judges main event talent based on how good they make Roman Reigns and John Cena look. That's precisely why AJ Styles went from just another guy to one of the top acts in the company in a very short amount of time. Additionally, the match just isn't as big as it might have been had Shinsuke been brought in differently. I think they're hoping to use this match as a catalyst to Shinsuke's rise (if he shows up big) rather than a payoff to it.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jul 26, 2017 11:14:27 GMT -5
I could see Smackdown giving us Cena vs. Nakamura vs. Mahal vs. Corbin at SummerSlam for the WWE Title to counter the four way that Raw is putting on at SummerSlam.
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Post by Bandalero on Jul 26, 2017 11:34:06 GMT -5
I could see Smackdown giving us Cena vs. Nakamura vs. Mahal vs. Corbin at SummerSlam for the WWE Title to counter the four way that Raw is putting on at SummerSlam. ugh, i hope for our sake they don't do that. The whole point of the gimmick match is lost if it's repeated again on the same card. What was that all cage matches PPV TNA had/has? The concept is dreadful.
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Post by punksnotdead on Jul 26, 2017 11:50:11 GMT -5
I could see Smackdown giving us Cena vs. Nakamura vs. Mahal vs. Corbin at SummerSlam for the WWE Title to counter the four way that Raw is putting on at SummerSlam. This isn't far fetched, at all. They could easily do Cena vs Mahala and Nakamura vs Corbin (potentially for the MITB case) or they could throw them all into one match. Neither scenario would shock me.
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Post by Joey Cush on Jul 26, 2017 11:54:29 GMT -5
Would the real Shinsuke Nakamura please stand up? The King of Strong Style has been missing since 4/1/16. Have you seen him? I think they're largely doing the match so they don't miss their shot at doing it. Who knows when it could happen again with the roster shakeups and with Cena only working in a part time capacity. WWE isn't exactly huge on face vs face matchups and there is about a zero percent chance either guy turns heel. I don't care if it happens at WrestleMania or on Superstars, just as long as both guys absolutely bring it until we get the inevitable Corbin interference. This feels like something they fully intend to put on that Best of Raw and Smackdown 2017 DVD. Yeah. There are a few things I think are at play here. Like you said, Cena is a part time guy and they really don't know how much longer they've got with him. I think that's precisely why we've seen a shift in the main event scene over the last few months and why, for a while, it seemed like they were going to put Lesnar/Reigns on Summerslam. They want the Cena/Reigns match and they're worried that if they don't do it (relatively) soon, they may lose their chance. This is the same deal, on a much smaller scale. I also think this is a test for Shinsuke. To say he's been underwhelming since coming to the main roster would be an understatement. If he can't tear the house down with "big match John", there isn't much hope for his WWE career going forward, at least as a main event player. Remember, Vince McMahon judges main event talent based on how good they make Roman Reigns and John Cena look. That's precisely why AJ Styles went from just another guy to one of the top acts in the company in a very short amount of time. Additionally, the match just isn't as big as it might have been had Shinsuke been brought in differently. I think they're hoping to use this match as a catalyst to Shinsuke's rise (if he shows up big) rather than a payoff to it. In response to Reigns/Cena, I would be fine with WWE pulling the trigger on Reigns/Cena for WWE Universal title at Mania next year. They could finally do that, have AJ/Nakamura for WWE Championship and Strowman Vs Lesnar all on the main card. Now the problem would be holding back on these programs until then because WWE loves to jump the gun.
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Post by xtremebadass on Jul 26, 2017 14:25:21 GMT -5
I see Corbin costing Nakamura the match. They're not finished yet. I think it's a way to tie all four men together. Cena will beat Jinder. He's a good guy so I can see him granting Nakamura a title match down the line. Insert Corbin.. will he cash in? Or will he just tease it? If John Cena beats Jinder Mahal at Summerslam to BREAK RIC FLAIR'S RECORD only for WWE to send Corbin down there and cash in on Cena robbing Cena of this monumental once-in-a-lifetime moment I will never forgive them. That is the equivalent of Lesnar breaking the streak.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 14:31:09 GMT -5
I had just finished reading "The Death of WCW," which I highly recommend to everyone to read, and this seems like yet one more similarity that WWE is doing that WCW had done that lead to their demise. Good to know I can check off "giving a high profile match away for free instead of using it to sell PPVs."
Glad to see WWE putting the horse before the cart again. At least we still get multi-man matches like how next week we have 3/4 of the Fatal Four Way match for Summer Slam going in a Triple Threat match.
Sure am stoked I'll be burnt out on the Summer Slam card having already seen it before I see it, and then see it the following night on Raw in a rematch!
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Post by TheLastDude on Jul 26, 2017 14:53:06 GMT -5
I had just finished reading "The Death of WCW," which I highly recommend to everyone to read, and this seems like yet one more similarity that WWE is doing that WCW had done that lead to their demise. Good to know I can check off "giving a high profile match away for free instead of using it to sell PPVs." Glad to see WWE putting the horse before the cart again. At least we still get multi-man matches like how next week we have 3/4 of the Fatal Four Way match for Summer Slam going in a Triple Threat match. Sure am stoked I'll be burnt out on the Summer Slam card having already seen it before I see it, and then see it the following night on Raw in a rematch! All of this. Many...many times.
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Post by Codyverse: Tag Team Champion on Jul 26, 2017 15:27:07 GMT -5
I see Corbin costing Nakamura the match. They're not finished yet. I think it's a way to tie all four men together. Cena will beat Jinder. He's a good guy so I can see him granting Nakamura a title match down the line. Insert Corbin.. will he cash in? Or will he just tease it? If John Cena beats Jinder Mahal at Summerslam to BREAK RIC FLAIR'S RECORD only for WWE to send Corbin down there and cash in on Cena robbing Cena of this monumental once-in-a-lifetime moment I will never forgive them. That is the equivalent of Lesnar breaking the streak. I agree. I could see Cena beating Jinder, Corbin coming down but Nakamaura coming down to attack Corbin. That continues their feud and it also aligns Nakamura with Cena. I could see the Survior Series main event being Cena-Nakamura or a triple threat including Corbin. WWE does like to screw around with storylines and stuff but I don't see them watering down Cena's 17th. At least I hope not.
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Post by Quazimoto on Jul 26, 2017 17:00:23 GMT -5
I had just finished reading "The Death of WCW," which I highly recommend to everyone to read, and this seems like yet one more similarity that WWE is doing that WCW had done that lead to their demise. Good to know I can check off "giving a high profile match away for free instead of using it to sell PPVs." Glad to see WWE putting the horse before the cart again. At least we still get multi-man matches like how next week we have 3/4 of the Fatal Four Way match for Summer Slam going in a Triple Threat match. Sure am stoked I'll be burnt out on the Summer Slam card having already seen it before I see it, and then see it the following night on Raw in a rematch! Been saying the same thing for a while now. WWE is damned lucky they don't have any real competition nowadays.
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