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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Aug 2, 2017 16:22:33 GMT -5
Maybe if they worked on the product they wouldn't have such losses.
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Post by Next Man’s Yeeter on Aug 2, 2017 16:38:30 GMT -5
I don't think so. I don't see any of the above getting the ratings up. They had their chances. People need to remember that WWE is a business, and when a business is losing money they need to see where they can cut corners or cut people. Why is that so hard for anyone to grasp? The WWE doesn't owe any of them anything. Why should they? Because it was their "dream" to work in wrestling? That is silly. The bottom line is the bottom line. Cutting the people above would save the WWE a million dollars or more. Sure cutting PPVs and other stuff as well would help. Please explain how everyone says cutting PPVs would cut costs? First of all, they'd still be running a show on that Sunday (a half filled house show) if it weren't a PPV. It costs no more to produce a PPV than an episode of Raw. Literally every aspect of the show is the same. Plus, they charge at least double for PPV tickets, in a sold out arena, plus all the merch that comes with it. There's no way cutting PPVs would be cost cutting. If anything, even more PPVs would generate more revenue. The problemis that WWE was hoping more PPVs would increase SUBSCRIPTIONS, but that's a completely different story here. It probably did,but was not proportionate to the quantity. WWE was probably stupid enough to think if the number of PPVs doubled, then the subscription count would double as well. Raw tapings are not profitable based on ticket sales and merchandise either - the cost of live TV production is vastly, vastly more expensive than a live event, and it's the TV rights that makes the money on those shows. If 2 PPVs per month isn't gaining sufficient extra subscribers, then that 2nd PPV in the month is a money loser. As such, cutting it using that Sunday for a house show that runs at a profit would be a measure to improve the bottom line.
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Post by BØRNS on Aug 2, 2017 17:41:34 GMT -5
Please explain how everyone says cutting PPVs would cut costs? First of all, they'd still be running a show on that Sunday (a half filled house show) if it weren't a PPV. It costs no more to produce a PPV than an episode of Raw. Literally every aspect of the show is the same. Plus, they charge at least double for PPV tickets, in a sold out arena, plus all the merch that comes with it. There's no way cutting PPVs would be cost cutting. If anything, even more PPVs would generate more revenue. The problemis that WWE was hoping more PPVs would increase SUBSCRIPTIONS, but that's a completely different story here. It probably did,but was not proportionate to the quantity. WWE was probably stupid enough to think if the number of PPVs doubled, then the subscription count would double as well. Raw tapings are not profitable based on ticket sales and merchandise either - the cost of live TV production is vastly, vastly more expensive than a live event, and it's the TV rights that makes the money on those shows. If 2 PPVs per month isn't gaining sufficient extra subscribers, then that 2nd PPV in the month is a money loser. As such, cutting it using that Sunday for a house show that runs at a profit would be a measure to improve the bottom line. Live Event ticket sales: ~7,000 x $40 avg ticket price = $280,000 PPV ticket sales: ~15,000 x $100 avg ticket price = $1,500,000 Overhead, cost of building is the same. You're looking at bringing in $1,500,000 - $280,000 = $1,220,000 more dollars (plus merch and all that goes with it) for the PPV. You tell me WWE can't hire their camera guys for a 3 hour show for $1.2 Million and still cut a profit? I don't think you're seeing the big picture.
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Post by BØRNS on Aug 2, 2017 17:44:46 GMT -5
Please explain how everyone says cutting PPVs would cut costs? First of all, they'd still be running a show on that Sunday (a half filled house show) if it weren't a PPV. It costs no more to produce a PPV than an episode of Raw. Literally every aspect of the show is the same. Plus, they charge at least double for PPV tickets, in a sold out arena, plus all the merch that comes with it. There's no way cutting PPVs would be cost cutting. If anything, even more PPVs would generate more revenue. The problemis that WWE was hoping more PPVs would increase SUBSCRIPTIONS, but that's a completely different story here. It probably did,but was not proportionate to the quantity. WWE was probably stupid enough to think if the number of PPVs doubled, then the subscription count would double as well. Raw tapings are not profitable based on ticket sales and merchandise either - the cost of live TV production is vastly, vastly more expensive than a live event, and it's the TV rights that makes the money on those shows. If 2 PPVs per month isn't gaining sufficient extra subscribers, then that 2nd PPV in the month is a money loser. As such, cutting it using that Sunday for a house show that runs at a profit would be a measure to improve the bottom line. I'll bet you $1000 you call up any live events manager at WWE and they will tell you at the end of the day, a PPV is more profitable than a house show.
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Post by KrimV on Aug 3, 2017 3:29:22 GMT -5
Their profits are tanking because the product is shoddy. It wasn't terribly great leading up to Wrestlemania and it's been absolutely awful post-Wrestlemania. You can't have 8 months full of garbage and 4 months full of worthwhile product and expect things to turn out well. It isn't terribly surprising to anyone who's been following the storylines for the past several years. They treat all storylines inconsistently and retcon them enough to make them not worth following. This is pro-wrestling and not high-level theater, but when you can't form an emotional investment in characters, you really don't care what happens and thus nothing resonates. But none of this is likely to change until McMahon steps down or passes away.
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Post by Manning Of Steel on Aug 3, 2017 7:05:50 GMT -5
It's pretty obvious that the root of the problem is Roman Reigns. Did they honestly expect any of the casual fans that watched Mania, to wanna stick around and keep watching after the witnessed some bum defeat Undertaker?
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Post by Cody Rhodes Diva on Aug 3, 2017 19:14:34 GMT -5
Source: Wrestling IncWe can exclusively report that WWE has released NXT wrestler HoHo Lun. Lun, who founded the Hong Kong Pro-Wrestling Federation, signed with WWE in 2016 and was a participant in the WWE Cruiserweight Classic. Lun defeated Ariya Daivari in the first round, but was eliminated in the second round by Noam Dar. Lun last wrestled for NXT at the television tapings in late June, where he was defeated by The Velveteen Dream. Could this be just the start of WWE's annual "roster purge," perhaps?
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Post by LA Times on Aug 3, 2017 19:32:40 GMT -5
Source: Wrestling IncWe can exclusively report that WWE has released NXT wrestler HoHo Lun. Lun, who founded the Hong Kong Pro-Wrestling Federation, signed with WWE in 2016 and was a participant in the WWE Cruiserweight Classic. Lun defeated Ariya Daivari in the first round, but was eliminated in the second round by Noam Dar. Lun last wrestled for NXT at the television tapings in late June, where he was defeated by The Velveteen Dream. Could this be just the start of WWE's annual "roster purge," perhaps? "WHAT IS YOYO SUN DOING IN THE IMPACT ZONE?!"
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Post by Nick Papagiorgio on Aug 3, 2017 19:46:25 GMT -5
What pisses me off about WWE is that they have Brock Lesnar as the Universal Champion (who shouldn't be the champion to begin with) who shows up when he wants to and wrestles on the ppv and what ever house show he wants to wrestle on. Vince should have Lesnar wrestle on Raw every once in awhile to help with the crap ratings. They cut crap like pyro, some of the shows on the network (Talking Smack, Renee's show, JBL's show, and Corey's show) and other things. For the first time in awhile I fell asleep during Raw and missed that god awful Big Show vs. Big Cass match, I barely watch 205 Live and NXT nowadays and I don't even watch GFW Impact on Thursdays.
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Post by IRS on Aug 3, 2017 19:47:44 GMT -5
Source: Wrestling IncWe can exclusively report that WWE has released NXT wrestler HoHo Lun. Lun, who founded the Hong Kong Pro-Wrestling Federation, signed with WWE in 2016 and was a participant in the WWE Cruiserweight Classic. Lun defeated Ariya Daivari in the first round, but was eliminated in the second round by Noam Dar. Lun last wrestled for NXT at the television tapings in late June, where he was defeated by The Velveteen Dream. Could this be just the start of WWE's annual "roster purge," perhaps? I predict Sami, Cesaro, and Rollins get axed next. Probably Nakamura too, after the incident with Cena.
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Post by marino13 on Aug 3, 2017 20:27:19 GMT -5
That so eerie!! Back in 1988 I bumped into a old gypsy woman while at a local carnival. She turned around and grabbed me by my shoulders. She pulled me in and started to yell over and over " HoHo Lun getting released means the WWE is going out of business! HoHo Lun getting released means the WWE is going out of business!!" I laughed at her and told her she was crazy. But, now almost 30 years later, it all makes sense.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 20:31:31 GMT -5
Source: Wrestling IncWe can exclusively report that WWE has released NXT wrestler HoHo Lun. Lun, who founded the Hong Kong Pro-Wrestling Federation, signed with WWE in 2016 and was a participant in the WWE Cruiserweight Classic. Lun defeated Ariya Daivari in the first round, but was eliminated in the second round by Noam Dar. Lun last wrestled for NXT at the television tapings in late June, where he was defeated by The Velveteen Dream. Could this be just the start of WWE's annual "roster purge," perhaps? Thank You for not making a Thread.
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Post by LA Times on Aug 4, 2017 20:04:41 GMT -5
Apparently, Hoho Lun asked for his release because of a family situation. I hope everything is OK with him and his family
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Post by PrincessOfSunlight on Aug 7, 2017 14:00:09 GMT -5
What I don't understand about the network is that they stick a huge amount of new content on YouTube and not on the network, they have stuck with having highlights on YT for consumers to watch for free rather than say having a half an hour highlights show on the network the day after. I rarely use the network and I don't pay for it so that's fine.. I may not even go there for ppvs, certainly not sitting down and watching every minute of them anyway. But I would gladly watch a highlights show on the network if it was there to be had because I'm already doing that on YouTube just YT gives me the option of not watching a certain segment but like them all into one little show I'd be a viewer. I know there's probably a rights issue and the advertisements off YouTube are probably substantial enough for them to justify it but the amount of fresh new content on YouTube heavily outweighs what's on the network which primarily acts as a replacement to everyone's DVD/VHS content so that would be a huge glaringly obvious reason why their numbers ing suck. But ya know, I'm not telling you anything everyone doesn't already know. O'Haire!
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Aug 7, 2017 14:04:15 GMT -5
What I don't understand about the network is that they stick a huge amount of new content on YouTube and not on the network, they have stuck with having highlights on YT for consumers to watch for free rather than say having a half an hour highlights show on the network the day after. I rarely use the network and I don't pay for it so that's fine.. I may not even go there for ppvs, certainly not sitting down and watching every minute of them anyway. But I would gladly watch a highlights show on the network if it was there to be had because I'm already doing that on YouTube just YT gives me the option of not watching a certain segment but like them all into one little show I'd be a viewer. I know there's probably a rights issue and the advertisements off YouTube are probably substantial enough for them to justify it but the amount of fresh new content on YouTube heavily outweighs what's on the network which primarily acts as a replacement to everyone's DVD/VHS content so that would be a huge glaringly obvious reason why their numbers ing suck. But ya know, I'm not telling you anything everyone doesn't already know. O'Haire! Do they still even release the PPV's on DVD? Haven't seen a new one in a long time.
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Post by honeybear 619 on Aug 7, 2017 16:44:14 GMT -5
They're not releasing much on blu ray anymore, everything is going on dvds.
Who wants to watch dvds on a hd tv in 2017, they might aswell go back to videos as wwe's dvd picture quality looks just like a video in a hd tv.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Aug 7, 2017 17:32:50 GMT -5
They're not releasing much on blu ray anymore, everything is going on dvds. Who wants to watch dvds on a hd tv in 2017, they might aswell go back to videos as wwe's dvd picture quality looks just like a video in a hd tv.At the end of the day i don't care about all the picture quality crap. I would choose my faithful Summerslam 97 video over some crappy restored version anyday.
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Post by The Brain on Aug 7, 2017 17:35:17 GMT -5
They're not releasing much on blu ray anymore, everything is going on dvds. Who wants to watch dvds on a hd tv in 2017, they might aswell go back to videos as wwe's dvd picture quality looks just like a video in a hd tv.At the end of the day i don't care about all the picture quality crap. I would choose my faithful Summerslam 97 video over some crappy restored version anyday. VHS FTW!!!
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Aug 7, 2017 17:37:22 GMT -5
At the end of the day i don't care about all the picture quality crap. I would choose my faithful Summerslam 97 video over some crappy restored version anyday. VHS FTW!!! My bad.
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Post by tylerbreezee on Aug 7, 2017 19:37:03 GMT -5
Source: Wrestling IncWe can exclusively report that WWE has released NXT wrestler HoHo Lun. Lun, who founded the Hong Kong Pro-Wrestling Federation, signed with WWE in 2016 and was a participant in the WWE Cruiserweight Classic. Lun defeated Ariya Daivari in the first round, but was eliminated in the second round by Noam Dar. Lun last wrestled for NXT at the television tapings in late June, where he was defeated by The Velveteen Dream. Could this be just the start of WWE's annual "roster purge," perhaps? No... Pretty positive he left for personal family reasons...
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