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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Aug 30, 2017 15:43:43 GMT -5
Honestly i thought Cenas promo was just Cena being Cena. Nothing we haven't seen in his promos for the past couple of years I thought Cena did have a bit of an edge that was missing from some of his cookie cutter stuff of the past year or two. I don't mean "edgy" in that Cena did a little shooting either. Honestly, I think Miz is better at including the shoot stuff than Cena will ever be because when Cena does it it comes off as pandering to the audience (like the heel turn comment) while Miz does it with conviction. (And when Dolph does it it just sounds like a lot of whining. Please stop raising your voice in promos Dolph. You don't shout, you screech and it is not good.) I mean "edgy" in that Cena was really pushing Reigns to bring out the best in his mic work. He pressed as many of Reign's buttons as he could and yes, embarrassed him. Hopefully Reigns learned from the experience and comes out the better for it on the mic but I'm not optimistic because all Reigns did in response was to shout a little louder than usual and throw in a few curse words. Shouting "bitch" in the middle of a promo doesn't elevate it. Swearing is more often than not just a crutch to cover for a weak promo. Yeah i have to agree. I felt especially with AJ, I believe Cena got AJ to bring out his best on the mic during their feud. Ambrose did good on the promos against Cena, but nothing i really remember. He couldn't do it with Reigns cause Reigns just doesn't have it.
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Post by Chip on Aug 30, 2017 15:55:03 GMT -5
i have a good feeling that everyone went to the back after that promo and was like "wasn't that cool! thats gonna get everyone talking!" Roman was like "damn you got me with that promo line" and Cena's like "your face was priceless!" and then everyone backstage was like "haha we got eeeeemmm"
it was so out of left field, its like something they just do every once in awhile to get their "stupid" audience to believe some things are going to change, and we're finally going to see what we want to see. pretty much going to lead to Reigns pinning Cena clean 1-2-3 in the middle of the ring at No Mercy and next night on RAW Cena's gonna be all like " man, you earned my respect! you took everything i had and overcame all the odds! good for you!" and then raises his hand.
in the last like 2+ years they've done a hundred things like this, teasing a big change in direction....and then they just go right back to peg 1 because YOU WILL LOVE ROMAN
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Post by marino13 on Aug 30, 2017 16:06:43 GMT -5
Honestly, I think Vince has people eating right out of his hand. Instead of pissing all over Cena vs Reigns, which is what so many wanted to do, he's now got people talking. They wanted people to think the lines were blurred. He wanted them to think the fourth wall was broken. He made people stop bashing Roman and John long enough to actually be invested. Reality is, he has everyone right where he wants them.
Just a thought, I could be way off.
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Post by Next Man’s Yeeter on Aug 30, 2017 16:29:51 GMT -5
It was just Internet-pandering stuff, because that's what we respond to. It's basically the same "OMG GUYZ IT'S An EDGY SHOOT" thing Cena has done with Punk, Bryan, Owens, Styles etc for the last few years - except this time it isn't Cena vs Internet Darling, it's Cena vs The New Cena. For the first time in a long time, Big Match John is feuding with someone who is actually a threat to him. Roman's side of it was the same stuff that JC gets every time he has a big feud now, but Cena's half was at least a bit different.
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Post by Mattie! on Aug 30, 2017 16:34:08 GMT -5
Hopefully It Was A Wake Up Call To Roman, He's So Boring On The Mic & Please Never Get Me Started On Them Rediculous Corner Clotheslines I Cringe Hard To Those. John Cena Is A Lad He's Entusiastic And Actually Is A Good Wrestler.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Aug 30, 2017 16:45:53 GMT -5
The Cena promo on Reigns is the exact same promo that Cena has been doing for a year now.
He did it to Ambrose last September going into the No Mercy 3 way with Styles, Ambrose and Cena.
He did it to Styles before the Rumble.
He did it to Miz before Wrestlemania.
He is doing it to Reigns now.
Talk about how the fans think he has some sort of magical power to stop pushes, puts it around that the fans decide who should be pushed, says his opponent is lacking something to not be at his level, and then say something insulting at the end so the fans can go, "ooohhhhhhhh" and think it wasn't scripted.
That has been the John Cena promo as of late.
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Post by PrincessOfSunlight on Aug 30, 2017 18:05:07 GMT -5
Way too much bluster over this.
Cena's had a new gimmick of saying "crazy crap" for a while, I thought this one was the most try hard of all so far. Means next to nothing, particularly for Reigns, he's gonna remain in the same spot he's had regardless.
Glad I'm not alone in seeing through this. Gets a down for me.
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Post by xtremebadass on Aug 30, 2017 19:39:20 GMT -5
I agree with the first post.
WWE went as far as muting the crowd so Roman didn't come across bad on TV. Fast forward to last Monday they have John Cena go out there with a mic in his hand and spit literal fire proclaiming every single thing the majority of WWE fans have been saying for 3 years. Why the sudden change of ideology? Everything that happens on TV is green lit by the WWE. WWE approved Cena ripping Roman apart and bringing negative qualities of Roman Reigns confirming it to a large portion of the audience and bringing it to the attention of the other part of the fan base that perhaps didn't notice prior? I just can't believe this.
I like Roman, I do. He is just miscast in his position. I don't hate Roman, I hate that the WWE put that poor guy in that position trying to make the audience believe he is something that he clearly isn't.
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Aug 30, 2017 19:55:53 GMT -5
Did I hear somewhere that the part with Cena ripping Roman about forgetting his lines was removed from the Raw replay? If true, that alone would indicate that every word was Vince approved.
And I've said this before, but it bears repeating: WWE is not shoving Roman Reigns down OUR throats (take a shot those playing at home!) they are shoving him down the throats (2 shots!) of the parents and his fans that are buying his merchandise. When HHH says in an interview that the term "face" and "heel" dont really apply anymore, this is what he means. He was asked, point blank, why they don't turn him heel because he acts like a heel and everyone boos him, and his response was "if everyone boos him, isn't he a heel already?"
They learned their lesson with Cena. If his merch moves, they promote him as a hero for the people spending their money on him. But mark my words, if his merchandise sales start to significantly drop, the announce team will start acknowledging him as the bad guy and he won't be a "polarizing" superstar anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 20:23:31 GMT -5
You'd like to think so, but I don't see it happening - it just feels different because it's WWE Creation against another WWE Creation.
When Cena flits so haphazardly between smirking, raising his voice and letting his natural Boston accent come through he loses me, no matter what he might be saying.
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Post by rkmo: Enjoys That Social Life on Aug 30, 2017 20:58:55 GMT -5
I thoroughly enjoyed seeing someone other than an indy star finding his footing in WWE be a victim of Cena's notorious buzzsaw promos. And I took some selfish pleasure in witnessing Reigns have a quasi-meltdown during it.
But I really don't expect that moment will change the perception of Dat Dude in the eyes of his most ardent backstage supporters. Like others pointed out, Cena rehashed a lot of his talking points he has been using recently. That he isn't held above everyone else and there is absolutely no way he holds guys' fates in his hands, despite the appearance to the contrary. That nobody has been elevated above him because nobody is worth elevating. That he himself doesn't bury people, but if someone can't dig himself out of a Cena burial, he deserved to get buried.
My takeaway from it is that Cena will give Reigns the rub. The promo set up the "passing of the torch" moment where Reigns proves Cena wrong, and Roman continues on his Road to Redemption, ending up Universal Champion at Wrestlemania after finally slaying 1 of the 2 in 23-2.
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Post by Word™ on Aug 30, 2017 21:13:37 GMT -5
Honestly i thought Cenas promo was just Cena being Cena. Nothing we haven't seen in his promos for the past couple of years Exactly. John Cena has been owning people with his promos for over a decade.. From The Rock to The Miz, no one is safe from John Cena when he's given a microphone.. So while it was crazy to watch him target Roman Reigns, I wasn't exactly shocked.
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Post by hbkowns on Aug 30, 2017 21:51:37 GMT -5
I would have hoped it served that purpose. But it probably didn't. It seems that Reigns vs Brock is still on the cards for Mania, so nothing is changing.
But I tell ya, they really really did Roman a disservice by not turning him heel by now. Any chance of him becoming the lead man in WWE is unfortunately gone. He'll always be in the top mix, but any intentions of him being the golden goose of wwe is completely out of the picture now.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Aug 30, 2017 22:14:55 GMT -5
Vince will put Reigns over Cena and then Cena will come out and praise him up and down in an attempt to win the younger crowd...a torch passing of sorts.
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Post by hbkowns on Aug 30, 2017 23:34:09 GMT -5
Vince will put Reigns over Cena and then Cena will come out and praise him up and down in an attempt to win the younger crowd...a torch passing of sorts. It's hilarious that they've tried similar things with him already, and they expect Cena to be the magic potion to help Roman get over. Roman is as over as he'll ever be, probably at any point in his career. He's reached his peak. If they wanna turn him, that's another story.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Aug 31, 2017 0:51:53 GMT -5
Honestly, I think Vince has people eating right out of his hand. Instead of pissing all over Cena vs Reigns, which is what so many wanted to do, he's now got people talking. They wanted people to think the lines were blurred. He wanted them to think the fourth wall was broken. He made people stop bashing Roman and John long enough to actually be invested. Reality is, he has everyone right where he wants them. Just a thought, I could be way off. This is the correct answer. I think it's funny how many people here "know" what's going on.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 4:58:01 GMT -5
Did I hear somewhere that the part with Cena ripping Roman about forgetting his lines was removed from the Raw replay? If true, that alone would indicate that every word was Vince approved. And I've said this before, but it bears repeating: WWE is not shoving Roman Reigns down OUR throats (take a shot those playing at home!) they are shoving him down the throats (2 shots!) of the parents and his fans that are buying his merchandise. When HHH says in an interview that the term "face" and "heel" dont really apply anymore, this is what he means. He was asked, point blank, why they don't turn him heel because he acts like a heel and everyone boos him, and his response was "if everyone boos him, isn't he a heel already?" They learned their lesson with Cena. If his merch moves, they promote him as a hero for the people spending their money on him. But mark my words, if his merchandise sales start to significantly drop, the announce team will start acknowledging him as the bad guy and he won't be a "polarizing" superstar anymore. the whole reigns sells most merchandise is bs. I've been to lots of events and no one wears his sh*t vince just has a thing for him
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 12:52:59 GMT -5
Most of you hyped this up like the greatest thing ever.
It wasn't.
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Post by k5 on Aug 31, 2017 13:00:39 GMT -5
i think, if anything, this just shows their desperation for attention in a business that is dwindling.
too little, too late. they'd need a complete creative rehaul to fix things. and i don't just mean roman reigns' character.
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Post by Mox on Aug 31, 2017 13:49:37 GMT -5
i think, if anything, this just shows their desperation for attention in a business that is dwindling. too little, too late. they'd need a complete creative rehaul to fix things. and i don't just mean roman reigns' character.
You're definitely onto something. A total creative overhaul would be needed to make wrestling popular again, if it's even possible to make wrestling popular again. And I think it starts with the roster. I look at some of the roster and I think, "This guy is one of the best in the world? This guy is WWE material?" Not to mention the current creative landscape.
WWE is doing everything they can not to lose viewers. But they're not willing to do everything they can to gain substantial viewers. That would involve real risk.
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