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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Aug 30, 2017 12:42:18 GMT -5
Did anybody else just find this promo shocking for so many reasons?
You would think that a company that has had its blinders on for 3 years, completely ignoring all negative and constructive criticism of Roman Reigns would not send him out there and have John Cena or ANYBODY say the things that he said about him.
John Cena said Reigns can't cut a promo, that he's a corporate creation, and that the only reason Cena is still in WWE is because Reigns, despite being given opportunity after opportunity after opportunity, has FAILED to take advantage of it and replace John Cena. He told Roman Reigns that he can't do his job!
Why would WWE basically have John Cena cut a promo saying all the things about Roman Reigns that fans have been saying for 3 years?
In my opinion, I think this is Vince McMahon's version of a wake up call to Roman Reigns basically telling him he needs to get his sh*t together and get better, because he's really making Vince McMahon look bad.
They've tried happy, smiling, funny, joke telling "suffering succotash" Roman Reigns. It didn't work.
They've tried angry disrespectful Roman Reigns. It didn't work.
A year ago, he was doing a lot of awesome moves, he had that Razor's Edge type move, he was diving over the top. Now he only does Superman punches non-stop the whole match.
People online and in the business actually think Vince is senile for stubornly sticking with Roman Reigns and maybe Vince is tired of it. Roman Reigns doesn't know how to act. When he talks he sounds like he's trying to remember the script and that he's just spitting out lines that he rehearsed. Cena's promo could have been 100% scripted, but he's a natural speaker and it came off as a shoot even though we know nothing in WWE ever is, even CM Punk's "pipebomb" was planned.
So basically, what do you think the purpose WWE wanted to get out of this segment of essentially having John Cena bury the guy they've been trying to protect for 3 years?
And where does this feud go from here? Now that we've had "you can't cut a promo" and "you can't do your job" and everything John Cena said on Monday, we can't just ignore that and jump back into kayfabe and have them act like "this is going to be the toughest match ever" and one guy is going to kick the other guys ass and like the fight is legit....we've already broke character.
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Post by J12 on Aug 30, 2017 12:57:42 GMT -5
I suspect that this was Vince sending a message to Roman through Cena. Roman has been handed the keys to the castle but he still hasn't figured out how to unlock the door. In Vince McMahon's WWE, you can't be a truly successful company-carrying babyface without being able to cut a credible, go-home promo, and Roman Reigns cannot do that. They're so confident that he can't, in fact, that they don't even let him try.
The purpose of the segment was two-fold. It was undoubtedly to get the hardcore audience to latch onto this match, because up to this point, they'd shown total disinterest. Internally, though, I think it was a point made to stress to Roman that he is not where they want, and need him to be after all this time.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Aug 30, 2017 13:03:11 GMT -5
Maybe Vince really wants Cena to be the face of this feud and/or they're setting runs up for a full-fledged heel turn?
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Post by Rob on Aug 30, 2017 13:06:35 GMT -5
That segment proved that 100% without a shadow of a doubt Reigns isnt cut out for the position. Cena absolutely annihilated him in every single way possible and it was borderline embarrassing for Reigns. Maybe it was Vince trying to light a fire under Reigns ass? Reigns looked clearly pissed off midway through after he forgot his lines, Cena opened the floodgates after that.
That was Reigns big chance to sink or swim and he sunk fast.
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Post by IRS on Aug 30, 2017 13:13:49 GMT -5
It's to make it all that much more impactful when he goes over Cena at No Mercy, and we find out that he's the REAL Doctor of Thuganomics the next night.
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Aug 30, 2017 13:21:02 GMT -5
It's to make it all that much more impactful when he goes over Cena at No Mercy, and we find out that he's the REAL Doctor of Thuganomics the next night. I would be all for Reigns' new gimmick to be stealing catchphrases from the early 2000's and then feuding with the people who used them. "It's my yard", "Doctor of Thuganomics", "The Next Big Thing", "People's Champion" and so on lol |
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Post by IRS on Aug 30, 2017 13:29:06 GMT -5
It's to make it all that much more impactful when he goes over Cena at No Mercy, and we find out that he's the REAL Doctor of Thuganomics the next night. I would be all for Reigns' new gimmick to be stealing catchphrases from the early 2000's and then feuding with the people who used them. "It's my yard", "Doctor of Thuganomics", "The Next Big Thing", "People's Champion" and so on lol "I am the real seller of the Simon System, belee dat, baby girl." |
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Post by King Richius on Aug 30, 2017 13:32:42 GMT -5
It's to make it all that much more impactful when he goes over Cena at No Mercy, and we find out that he's the REAL Doctor of Thuganomics the next night. I would be all for Reigns' new gimmick to be stealing catchphrases from the early 2000's and then feuding with the people who used them. "It's my yard", "Doctor of Thuganomics", "The Next Big Thing", "People's Champion" and so on lol I'd like to see Reigns doing Eugene's bad poetry gimmick... as long as it is followed by Sandman chasing him out of the arena with a kendo stick in each hand. |
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Aug 30, 2017 13:35:55 GMT -5
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Post by IRS on Aug 30, 2017 13:40:08 GMT -5
I'm 100% down for Reigns reciting a poem about farts warming his heart, then having his way with MAGGLE in the broom closet. |
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Aug 30, 2017 14:12:31 GMT -5
And that came from the same guy who got you can't wrestle shouted at him 10 years ago. Let's be honest if Cena never debut the rapper gimmick he would be forgotton history and I am sick and tired of him thinking that he's better than the entire roster.
Reigns isn't the only who he has buried recently he did the same thing to Aj and Ambrose.
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Post by IRS on Aug 30, 2017 14:13:48 GMT -5
And that came from the same guy who got you can't wrestle shouted at him 10 years ago. Let's be honest if Cena never debut the rapper gimmick he would be forgotton history and I am sick and tired of him thinking that he's better than the entire roster. Reigns isn't the only who he has buried recently he did the same thing to Aj and Ambrose. LMAO, he didn't "bury" AJ or Ambrose. |
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Aug 30, 2017 14:56:40 GMT -5
And that came from the same guy who got you can't wrestle shouted at him 10 years ago. Let's be honest if Cena never debut the rapper gimmick he would be forgotton history and I am sick and tired of him thinking that he's better than the entire roster. Reigns isn't the only who he has buried recently he did the same thing to Aj and Ambrose. LMAO, he didn't "bury" AJ or Ambrose. Last year on Smackdown he made Ambrose look like crap during a promo and as a result fans actually sided with Cena. As for AJ I believe it was the Smackdown before the Rumble and let me tell you that promo was insulting on so many levels. |
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Post by IRS on Aug 30, 2017 15:20:45 GMT -5
LMAO, he didn't "bury" AJ or Ambrose. Last year on Smackdown he made Ambrose look like crap during a promo and as a result fans actually sided with Cena. As for AJ I believe it was the Smackdown before the Rumble and let me tell you that promo was insulting on so many levels. Last year, Ambrose pinned Cena clean. ON SMACKDOWN. And owned him with the promo where he said Cena was just playing the character of John Cena on TV. AJ went over Cena THREE TIMES last year, including a clean win at SS. It took a  ton for Cena to finally pin AJ at the Rumble, with Styles even kicking out of a Super AA. Both Ambrose and AJ have been involved in two of the biggest angles on their respective shows since their feuds with Cena. No, that is not being buried. What he did to Corbin was burying someone. Or Ryder. Or Nexus. |
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Aug 30, 2017 15:28:17 GMT -5
LMAO, he didn't "bury" AJ or Ambrose. Last year on Smackdown he made Ambrose look like crap during a promo and as a result fans actually sided with Cena. As for AJ I believe it was the Smackdown before the Rumble and let me tell you that promo was insulting on so many levels. Cena was just better on the mic that's all, and insulting your opponent before a match seems perfectly fine, if you've won verbally then you've got the upper hand. If someone like CM Punk did it people would be all over his d*ck but because it's Cena, it's not okay? He is one of the best trash talkers on the mic because of his rapping/freestyling history, hell even The Rock couldn't touch him on the mic during 2011/2012 and not once was it claimed that Cena buried him, everyone said Cena schooled him lol. When it comes to hyping these big match/serious feuds, you have to bring your A-game to a promo battle with Cena because he's verbally destroyed almost everyone that's tried. Do you even know what the term burying actually means because I'm not quite sure you do. |
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Aug 30, 2017 15:30:50 GMT -5
Honestly i thought Cenas promo was just Cena being Cena. Nothing we haven't seen in his promos for the past couple of years
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Post by Dan on Aug 30, 2017 15:37:31 GMT -5
I suspect that this was Vince sending a message to Roman through Cena. Roman has been handed the keys to the castle but he still hasn't figured out how to unlock the door. In Vince McMahon's WWE, you can't be a truly successful company-carrying babyface without being able to cut a credible, go-home promo, and Roman Reigns cannot do that. They're so confident that he can't, in fact, that they don't even let him try. The purpose of the segment was two-fold. It was undoubtedly to get the hardcore audience to latch onto this match, because up to this point, they'd shown total disinterest. Internally, though, I think it was a point made to stress to Roman that he is not where they want, and need him to be after all this time. The comical part to this, is of course, that they clearly realise he's not where he should be after 3 years, yet still decide to put all their stock in him as their number one guy & babyface. They use Cena as a ploy to publicly get the message across to Reigns, rather than them not using it as the biggest hint and piece of advice to themselves that it still isn't working. He can improve in the ring and put on good matches when he's got a good dance partner, but he just hasn't got what it takes to be a top babyface, hence 90% of the audience's frustration. The trouble is now, is that they're too far gone with him, they've put too much stock in him. They made the right call at Wrestlemania 31, and went for it all over again at Wrestlemania 32 with Triple H. He blew that, and after 2 years of the most over the top protection I've ever seen, should have been when they backed away. Instead, the following Wrestlemania he went and retired the Undertaker, and will more than likely be the one to retire Brock Lesnar as possible UFC Champion, so now there's no turning back on the Reigns project. |
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Post by King Richius on Aug 30, 2017 15:40:55 GMT -5
Honestly i thought Cenas promo was just Cena being Cena. Nothing we haven't seen in his promos for the past couple of years I thought Cena did have a bit of an edge that was missing from some of his cookie cutter stuff of the past year or two. I don't mean "edgy" in that Cena did a little shooting either. Honestly, I think Miz is better at including the shoot stuff than Cena will ever be because when Cena does it it comes off as pandering to the audience (like the heel turn comment) while Miz does it with conviction. (And when Dolph does it it just sounds like a lot of whining. Please stop raising your voice in promos Dolph. You don't shout, you screech and it is not good.) I mean "edgy" in that Cena was really pushing Reigns to bring out the best in his mic work. He pressed as many of Reign's buttons as he could and yes, embarrassed him. Hopefully Reigns learned from the experience and comes out the better for it on the mic but I'm not optimistic because all Reigns did in response was to shout a little louder than usual and throw in a few curse words. Shouting "bitch" in the middle of a promo doesn't elevate it. Swearing is more often than not just a crutch to cover for a weak promo. |
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Aug 30, 2017 15:41:25 GMT -5
If it was, it's too little too late to try and play hard ball with this guy. Vince has bent over backwards pushing this guy to the moon to the point that he ruined the careers of several other more talented guys. He failed a drug test and how was he "punished?" With a month off and a main event PPV title match his first night back, followed by being given a US Title reign a few months later. If this really was Vince trying to send a message, then it's because he has no other choice. Cena has one foot out the door to Hollywood and Brock is probably splitting after Mania next year. Vince wanted to sink or swim with Roman for the past three years, and it's become clear he's going to sink with this guy at the helm. Maybe they should have realized this two years ago when everyone else did.
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