Plastic Cowboy
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Post by Plastic Cowboy on Jan 25, 2018 12:44:37 GMT -5
These guys are awesome. I know they are not the bigger than life sized guys that senile vince likes but at least Triple H loves them. They could seriously be the future of this company. Dunne is already a complete package the dude just oozes @$$hole evil and bate is decent as an all Ameri.... er Britain given time his character and mic skills will grow more. They already have a good HBK vs Hitman, Cena vs Orton type rivalary going. I don’t know if they will ever another match like the takeover match( that is my second all time favorite match) but these guys bring out the best in each other. I think if they were both about six inches taller they would already be on the main roster. I would love to see these guys against Rollins , Bálor and styles, and I really want to area SamaonJoe vs Dunne match.
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Post by Quazimoto on Jan 25, 2018 14:02:49 GMT -5
I could seriously watch them wrestle each other for hours without getting bored. Dunne is a star waiting for someone to put a rocket on his back. Dude literally has everything you want in a professional wrestler aside from the "larger than life" physical size WWE seems to love, but makes up for it by absolutely excelling in every other aspect. He literally owned the UK Tournament early last year, despite coming up short in the finals and has been stellar ever since. Tyler Bate is one of the most promising raw talents in a long time. Needs a little seasoning in front of the WWE cameras and such, but there really hasn't been someone so young and already so good since Randy Orton first appeared.
If Triple H is ever allowed to really take the reigns and make all the decisions within WWE as far as the on air content goes, I think you'll see a big shift towards guys like Dunne, Bate, and other wrestlers with more substance to their work. Until then, we'll continue to see look and style take precedence while the real workhorses are relegated to the lower and mid card ranks.
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Post by Bandalero on Jan 25, 2018 14:36:17 GMT -5
look and style will always take precedence over real workhorses. Putting together a wrestling show requires curtain jerkers, special attractions, workhorses, and star power - that's the formula.
I'm not knocking Dunne's wrestling prowess (and this is going to give me heat) but he's really not much to look at. His attire isn't flattering, his fur coat doesn't make any sense, and he looks idiotic holding his fist to his chin while he skins his mouth guard and has his straggly hair all over his face.
Look I'm sure he's a nice guy in real life blah blah blah, he just doesn't look marketable in the least. I don't blame the WWE for not strapping a rocket on his back and shooting him to the main roster.
You guys might love watching two short guys put on a technical masterpiece for hours, but the mainstream consumer market doesn't want to see that. Reality can be a bytch sometimes I know.
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Post by Funk The Revival on Jan 25, 2018 15:10:50 GMT -5
One of my favourite wrestling trilogies in recent memory and perhaps all time. Their work outside WWE is phenomenal but that match in Chicago was both their finest hour
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Post by k5 on Jan 25, 2018 15:11:25 GMT -5
look and style will always take precedence over real workhorses. Putting together a wrestling show requires curtain jerkers, special attractions, workhorses, and star power - that's the formula. I'm not knocking Dunne's wrestling prowess (and this is going to give me heat) but he's really not much to look at. His attire isn't flattering, his fur coat doesn't make any sense, and he looks idiotic holding his fist to his chin while he skins his mouth guard and has his straggly hair all over his face. Look I'm sure he's a nice guy in real life blah blah blah, he just doesn't look marketable in the least. I don't blame the WWE for not strapping a rocket on his back and shooting him to the main roster. You guys might love watching two short guys put on a technical masterpiece for hours, but the mainstream consumer market doesn't want to see that. Reality can be a bytch sometimes I know. there is a way to do the best of both worlds. there’s a reason that throughout 89 the best matches of the year came from Ricky Steamboat and Ric Flair putting on absolute clinics. |
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Post by bababooey on Jan 25, 2018 15:16:07 GMT -5
I think they’re both good wrestlers. I think Bate is way better. He’s more natural to me and has better appeal.
Dunne is good in the ring but to me that’s all he has going. I feel like characterwise everything about him is very “been there done that”. His personality seems kinda bland to me and I feel like I’m watching someone play MyCareer in 2k18. Paint by numbers is how I would describe his character.
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Post by marino13 on Jan 25, 2018 16:42:04 GMT -5
IMO these two should be dominating 205 Live. They deserve to be showcased on the biggest stage possible.
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robbutler01
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Post by robbutler01 on Jan 25, 2018 17:18:02 GMT -5
I get that people enjoyed their matches but personally I wasn't that impressed. It just seemed to miss something for me - especially Dunne who I don't get or buy into as that weird "hard man" expression he does looks silly.
I couldn't put them on a par with the flair steamboat trilogy by a long way.
Hoping they do well on the big stage though as their clearly very talented
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Post by A-Rob on Jan 25, 2018 17:36:38 GMT -5
They are both under 25 and will have a long list of great matches within the next 5 years.
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Post by johnnyaustin21 on Jan 25, 2018 18:25:42 GMT -5
Both are great talents and guys that the WWE should build around going forward.I see both a main event talents down the road and not just cruiserweight type talent.Going forward the WWE real should build the company around The Shield,Strowman,Cole,Gargano,Bate,Dunne,McIntrye...ect all of whom are are not even in their mid 30's yet.
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Jan 25, 2018 18:43:32 GMT -5
Their match on NXT TakeOver: Chicago(?) was amazing but the lack of WWE TV exposure they’ve had since has made me lose interest in them tbh. It’s great that they’re still wrestling in other promotions etc but I wish they were featured on WWE more. Also wear kneepads, there’s just something weird about seeing bare knees in wrestling lol
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Post by Bandalero on Jan 25, 2018 19:01:14 GMT -5
look and style will always take precedence over real workhorses. Putting together a wrestling show requires curtain jerkers, special attractions, workhorses, and star power - that's the formula. I'm not knocking Dunne's wrestling prowess (and this is going to give me heat) but he's really not much to look at. His attire isn't flattering, his fur coat doesn't make any sense, and he looks idiotic holding his fist to his chin while he skins his mouth guard and has his straggly hair all over his face. Look I'm sure he's a nice guy in real life blah blah blah, he just doesn't look marketable in the least. I don't blame the WWE for not strapping a rocket on his back and shooting him to the main roster. You guys might love watching two short guys put on a technical masterpiece for hours, but the mainstream consumer market doesn't want to see that. Reality can be a bytch sometimes I know. there is a way to do the best of both worlds. there’s a reason that throughout 89 the best matches of the year came from Ricky Steamboat and Ric Flair putting on absolute clinics.I absolutely love Steamboat & Flair's trilogy in '89, probably the BEST set of matches bar none. But you're talking apples and oranges. By '89 Steamboat was a 13 year veteran, having put on (at the time) the greatest WM match with Savage two years prior. His good looks and physique played into his clean-babyface character, oh and he could wrestle like a machine. Flair was on his 6th World title reign (I think) with an established 80s playboy character, oh and he could also wrestle like a machine. It was so special because of the characters, completely opposite, well designed. What exactly is Dunne? A "bruiserweight"? Been there, done that with Fit Finlay - and Finlay looked better in a singlet. Guys like Dunne and Bate may get some of our juices flowing on this message board, but they will never be main event material because they don't have character. HBK & Bret Hart both wrestled like machines, but they also had charisma and character - they each had an established look and style Rey Mysterio was a character - look and style Eddie G was a character - look and style I think you get the point. Bate is bland and Dunne is confused. |
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Post by BSR on Jan 25, 2018 22:13:25 GMT -5
there is a way to do the best of both worlds. there’s a reason that throughout 89 the best matches of the year came from Ricky Steamboat and Ric Flair putting on absolute clinics.I absolutely love Steamboat & Flair's trilogy in '89, probably the BEST set of matches bar none. But you're talking apples and oranges. By '89 Steamboat was a 13 year veteran, having put on (at the time) the greatest WM match with Savage two years prior. His good looks and physique played into his clean-babyface character, oh and he could wrestle like a machine. Flair was on his 6th World title reign (I think) with an established 80s playboy character, oh and he could also wrestle like a machine. It was so special because of the characters, completely opposite, well designed. What exactly is Dunne? A "bruiserweight"? Been there, done that with Fit Finlay - and Finlay looked better in a singlet. Guys like Dunne and Bate may get some of our juices flowing on this message board, but they will never be main event material because they don't have character. HBK & Bret Hart both wrestled like machines, but they also had charisma and character - they each had an established look and style Rey Mysterio was a character - look and style Eddie G was a character - look and style I think you get the point. Bate is bland and Dunne is confused. Bingo |
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Jan 25, 2018 22:37:50 GMT -5
there is a way to do the best of both worlds. there’s a reason that throughout 89 the best matches of the year came from Ricky Steamboat and Ric Flair putting on absolute clinics.I absolutely love Steamboat & Flair's trilogy in '89, probably the BEST set of matches bar none. But you're talking apples and oranges. By '89 Steamboat was a 13 year veteran, having put on (at the time) the greatest WM match with Savage two years prior. His good looks and physique played into his clean-babyface character, oh and he could wrestle like a machine. Flair was on his 6th World title reign (I think) with an established 80s playboy character, oh and he could also wrestle like a machine. It was so special because of the characters, completely opposite, well designed. What exactly is Dunne? A "bruiserweight"? Been there, done that with Fit Finlay - and Finlay looked better in a singlet. Guys like Dunne and Bate may get some of our juices flowing on this message board, but they will never be main event material because they don't have character. HBK & Bret Hart both wrestled like machines, but they also had charisma and character - they each had an established look and style Rey Mysterio was a character - look and style Eddie G was a character - look and style I think you get the point. Bate is bland and Dunne is confused. Bret Hart has the charisma of a sock |
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Post by k5 on Jan 26, 2018 1:26:36 GMT -5
there is a way to do the best of both worlds. there’s a reason that throughout 89 the best matches of the year came from Ricky Steamboat and Ric Flair putting on absolute clinics.I absolutely love Steamboat & Flair's trilogy in '89, probably the BEST set of matches bar none. But you're talking apples and oranges. By '89 Steamboat was a 13 year veteran, having put on (at the time) the greatest WM match with Savage two years prior. His good looks and physique played into his clean-babyface character, oh and he could wrestle like a machine. Flair was on his 6th World title reign (I think) with an established 80s playboy character, oh and he could also wrestle like a machine. It was so special because of the characters, completely opposite, well designed. What exactly is Dunne? A "bruiserweight"? Been there, done that with Fit Finlay - and Finlay looked better in a singlet. Guys like Dunne and Bate may get some of our juices flowing on this message board, but they will never be main event material because they don't have character. HBK & Bret Hart both wrestled like machines, but they also had charisma and character - they each had an established look and style Rey Mysterio was a character - look and style Eddie G was a character - look and style I think you get the point. Bate is bland and Dunne is confused. my post wasn’t trying to establish bate or dunne as anything else than you described. my sole point was that you don’t necessarily have to have your star power be separate from your workhorses, and that’s often when the best wrestling occurs. considering you listed several talents that are exactly that, I think we are in agreement already. |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jan 26, 2018 1:31:40 GMT -5
I absolutely love Steamboat & Flair's trilogy in '89, probably the BEST set of matches bar none. But you're talking apples and oranges. By '89 Steamboat was a 13 year veteran, having put on (at the time) the greatest WM match with Savage two years prior. His good looks and physique played into his clean-babyface character, oh and he could wrestle like a machine. Flair was on his 6th World title reign (I think) with an established 80s playboy character, oh and he could also wrestle like a machine. It was so special because of the characters, completely opposite, well designed. What exactly is Dunne? A "bruiserweight"? Been there, done that with Fit Finlay - and Finlay looked better in a singlet. Guys like Dunne and Bate may get some of our juices flowing on this message board, but they will never be main event material because they don't have character. HBK & Bret Hart both wrestled like machines, but they also had charisma and character - they each had an established look and style Rey Mysterio was a character - look and style Eddie G was a character - look and style I think you get the point. Bate is bland and Dunne is confused. Well Mr. Socko was pretty over with fans and had charisma, so I guess Bret Hart must have had great charisma then! |
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Post by robbutler01 on Jan 26, 2018 1:52:50 GMT -5
Bret Hart has the charisma of a sock Well Mr. Socko was pretty over with fans and had charisma, so I guess Bret Hart must have had great charisma then! Brilliant! Probably one of my favourite replies ever lol |
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Jan 26, 2018 2:15:45 GMT -5
Bret Hart has the charisma of a sock Well Mr. Socko was pretty over with fans and had charisma, so I guess Bret Hart must have had great charisma then! Mother  er |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jan 26, 2018 2:44:38 GMT -5
Well Mr. Socko was pretty over with fans and had charisma, so I guess Bret Hart must have had great charisma then! Mother er Ha ha I thought you would enjoy that rebuttal!  |
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Post by LK3 on Jan 26, 2018 5:16:39 GMT -5
It’s all good, I legit LOL’d at the original charisma of a sock comment. I agree.
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