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Post by theMOESIAH on Feb 17, 2018 21:50:28 GMT -5
I never said anyone deserved a spot in the company so I'm not sure what your point is. And as someone else already said, the company's only problem is creative. Creative has been a problem years. That has nothing to do with the brand split. Vince is old and out of touch. His audience used to want silly over the top characters and a lot of soap opera-esque entertainment. We don't want that anymore and he can't seem to grasp that fact. The brand split isn't the problem. It's a good thing. It gives more opportunities to more people. Not only does this keep now people employed and create more future opportunities for future starts, it also creates more interest because we aren't seeing the same people over and over again twice a week. It grows the company as a whole.I I respectfully disagree. I don't think it's been good at all. But look at where we are though. They are already ditching co-branded shows. IMHO that's a sign that it's a failure. That's not really a brand extension though. And as I said before, the brand extension now doesn't work because it's basically not real and WWE has no legitimate incentive to compete with itself and trying to "beat" itself. The failure had nothing to do with the brand split itself. The problem is creative. I don't see dual branded PPVs as a sign of its failure. I think they should have done this from the beginning, just do long as they don't have inter-brand matches every month.
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Post by Sizzle on Feb 17, 2018 21:58:20 GMT -5
AJ Styles wouldn’t be world champion if it weren’t for this brand split. Elias wouldn’t be in a great position if it weren’t for the brand split. Jason Jordan wouldn’t have shone like he has if it wasn’t for the brand split. Nakamura most likely wouldn’t have won the royal rumble if t weren’t for the brand split. Tag teams like The Usos and the Bar wouldn’t have been able to show off as a top team if it weren’t for the brand split. Bray Wyatt wouldn’t have won the world championship if it weren’t for the brand split.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Feb 17, 2018 22:15:51 GMT -5
It's a total failure due to Vince's stubbornness, as is always the case. He doesn't actually want SmackDown to compete with RAW - he just wants to give off the impression that it's a competition. When SmackDown was the better weekly show right after the second brand split and their ratings started beating RAW, he put a stop to that immediately. 15 years later, not much has changed. Many of those talents are already suffering. Agreed. Nakamura and AJ will most likely be a mid-card match on the WrestleMania card even though it's for the supposed most prestigious title in the history of the company. So, really, what did the brand split accomplish?
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Post by cordless2016 on Feb 17, 2018 22:20:25 GMT -5
SDL was on fire during its first year. Vince couldn’t handle it, so three things were done to kill the brand and essentially the brand split...
1) Putting Road Dogg in charge. This killed the great storiylines that we were getting in the first year of the split from SDL. Road Dogg is a terrible Booker, let alone head Booker.
2) The 2017 “roster shake up.” There was no point to this. The rosters were fine and stars from NXT could be brought up to each show to help invigorate them. But doing a “shake up” less than a year into it killed the separate show idea. On top of that SDL’s roster was gutted to the point it truely is a B-Show.
3) Jinder Mahal - Nothing else needs to be said as it’s been spoken about for months. His reign put a steak right thru SDL’s heart.
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Post by wheeljack83 on Feb 17, 2018 23:04:36 GMT -5
15 years later, not much has changed. Many of those talents are already suffering. Agreed. Nakamura and AJ will most likely be a mid-card match on the WrestleMania card even though it's for the supposed most prestigious title in the history of the company. So, really, what did the brand split accomplish? Right and Nakamura won the Rumble too. Winning the Rumble used to mean main eventing WrestleMania. That means the FINAL MATCH of the card. None of this cute "co-main event" garbage. Not anymore.
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Post by Funk The Revival on Feb 18, 2018 0:35:08 GMT -5
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Post by ● kaneisdaman ● on Feb 18, 2018 10:27:33 GMT -5
I’m all for the brand split. It gives more superstars air time and is a better way to showcase the breadth and depth of talent they have.
The only reason it hasn’t worked is because the writers are not doing a good enough job of managing everyone. The tag team scenes in particular are dead yet they have an infinite number of tag teams they could possibly create (eg rollins situation could work for many many others) and create interest and original matches. Same with the US and IC title scenes which have been neglected. It doesn’t help having one world champ off tv 90% of the year either. The cruiserweight division has fallen apart because they just don’t give us a reason to want to know or care about it.
In terms of the women, their scene has never been better but they just have this obsession with cramming them all in the one segment. Let there be multiple concurrent storyline with 2 or 3 rivalries.
A majority of the shows is promos and progression, not in ring but that is where they let it down. I struggle to think of a time they had this much talent but it’s just misuse on a large scale.
Reverting to supershows is the next plausible step and before you know it we’ll be left with seeing not the same matches each week but the same matches twice a week.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Feb 18, 2018 11:25:01 GMT -5
I've really enjoyed the brand split.
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Post by JC Motors on Feb 18, 2018 11:33:25 GMT -5
Actually there’s just one reason and it’s the writing. Don’t know why you went super into detail. It’s simply the writing. The writing has gone to the dogs. They need to bring back the old writers
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Post by Joey Cush on Feb 18, 2018 14:18:45 GMT -5
you end the brand split you have no reason to watch both RAW and Smackdown. Each show recaps what the other did and you get same segments show to show. At least with split, if you dont like the current direction of that show you have a completely different show with different stars you can hopefully get into.
Dont care for Reigns? Well if he is the main segment with the title then get ready for RAW and SD to be all about him.
Brand split is a perfect idea but WWE has done sh*tty job executing it.
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Post by y13 on Feb 18, 2018 14:34:56 GMT -5
The roster is just way too big to end the split. As others have said, so many guys would flounder and be off TV. It’s in dire need of a shakeup after Mania though. One of Raws big guys needs to go to SD. Rollins or Balor will benefit tremendously. We’re about to enter a spring/summer period where Reigns is gonna plow through the roster as champion
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Feb 18, 2018 16:50:17 GMT -5
Ending the brand extension is only going to make it WORSE. The roster is too damn big and guys will just completely waste away. Ending the brand only PPVs will cause guys in the lower and mid card to suffer. They wont have the time to be able to develop nor will they have opportunities, as the PPVs will already be jam packed.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Feb 18, 2018 17:45:20 GMT -5
Why should we care about the brand split if the WWE themselves don't? Lets be honest it took the original split years to get stale but this one isn't even 2 years old and already it's falling apart. The titles all look the same, Raw has no World championship, Cena, Corey and Renee are on both shows and the mixed match challenge ruins the appeal of the split.
The original brand split was perfect and from 2002/2006 were some of the best years of the company. Both Raw and Smackdown were equally strong shows that completely stood out from each other. The current split has a 3 hour Raw that drags and a 2 hour Smackdown that can't book their stars and no one feels exclusive to each brand. When the original split happened we had to wait 2 years for a draft and that really shook things up but the current split had one less than a year later.
Some may disagree but the WWE was far better before the second split happened. The Shield era and Daniel Bryan vs The Authority were far superior than what we're getting now. Even Seth Rollins was the top heel of the entire company but now he's an upper card face on Raw so the split has done him no favours.
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Post by A-Rob on Feb 18, 2018 17:55:47 GMT -5
They refused to learn from the mistakes of the previous brand split. An example is having 2 sets of world, tag team and women's titles. Smackdown will forever be the B show as long as Vince is in control.
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Post by Nivro™ on Feb 18, 2018 18:00:13 GMT -5
Wrestling was better when they had 4-6hrs of TV a week and only about 50 people on the roster. Now its set up where a roster of 40-50 people (only counting males) get 2-3 hrs a week to showcase their talents. Just isnt gonna work.
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Post by crookedterror on Feb 18, 2018 22:10:12 GMT -5
I think the key to any brand split is making the brands look and feel different from one another. That means different color schemes, different talent, different types of storylines, different commentators, different looking belts, etc. NXT looks and feels different than RAW and Smackdown, and we view it differently. Same with Impact! and ROH. RAW and Smackdown look and feel too much the same, so until that divide feels real, I think the brand split won't create the excitement we want.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 22:40:30 GMT -5
The only way the brand extension was going to work is if it was a legit competition between the two brands and they are completely separate. Having Corey Graves do both show, AJ Styles competing on a raw ppv, John Cena "the free agent", and now all ppvs being dual brand... what was even the point of the brand extension?
I hope none of you take the draft show seriously this year! In fact please don't. You will dignify stupidity.
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Post by aggressiveperfector on Feb 19, 2018 4:35:08 GMT -5
The only way the brand extension was going to work is if it was a legit competition between the two brands and they are completely separate. Having Corey Graves do both show, AJ Styles competing on a raw ppv, John Cena "the free agent", and now all ppvs being dual brand... what was even the point of the brand extension? I hope none of you take the draft show seriously this year! In fact please don't. You will dignify stupidity. AJ competing on a Raw PPV was done to fill in a depleted roster due to illness for a PPV at the last minute. I think THAT can be forgiven. Plus, it gave us a much better match than we would have got before with Demon Balor wrestling Bray Wyatt in drag.
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Post by keegandimitrijevic01 on Feb 19, 2018 9:38:48 GMT -5
So WWE made it official today that starting in May, there will be no more brand-only PPV events. All the upcoming non-big four shows will be co-branded events after they started making solo-brand events again in summer 2016. So in just a little over a year, they are already going back to the co-branded PPV format after they started this brand extension. The latest WWE brand split experiment is a failure. The reason it failed, just like last time, is for a very simple reason. The idea of WWE "competing with itself" is folly. WWE literally has no incentive to compete with itself at all. In fact, why would WWE, essentially the biggest and only relevant major name in the wrestling business worldwide, want to compete with itself? It makes no sense. That is why the WWE brand extension doesn't work. WWE isn't running Raw and Smackdown like two separate brands. There's different sets of Superstars but to be perfectly honest, the shows don't feel different like Raw and Nitro were different or like WCW and WWF were different or NWA and WWF were different. OK. You will argue that it gives all these other guys TV time and gives other guys pushes, but who really? The cruiserweights? WWE doesn't know how to book or present a junior heavyweight division. It's just not in them. I'd say one-off tournaments like the Mae Young Classic and the Cruiserweight Classic, yes keep those. However, an ongoing cruiserweight division in WWE doesn't work and it was never going to work. But the brand split doesn't benefit mid-card guys unless the strong creative team is there to go with it. And as we've seen, it's just not there. Look at a guy like Tye Dillinger. A guy who was over as hell in NXT, had a great thing going for him. He makes it to the main roster, and now he's floundering. It's pretty simple. We've seen time and time again, no matter how someone is connecting with the fans, unless WWE wants to push you it's not going to happen. Yes there are exceptions, Daniel Bryan being one of them, but outside of that, how often do we really see it? So now that co-branded PPVs are over, here is what is going to happen next. Just like with the last brand split, WWE is going to start having Superstars co-mingle on the shows, like Cena has done on the past. Then they are basically going to declare that the brand extension is over after it already had been for a long time basically in 2013. Simply continuing with two world titles for both shows was nothing more than facade. It was a pretense. What is the difference between now and the first brand extension? It eroded a HECK OF A LOT quicker. Everything is happening exactly like it did before, except it's happening at a much more accelerated rate. I think if fans want real competition, I'm not saying they should stop watching WWE, but they should also look at other wrestling products and start supporting them and giving money to them. Not that ROH or NJPW are real competitors or threats to WWE, but they are great alternatives and they do present great guys who don't happen to be in WWE right now. Vince is always better with competition because it makes him do what the fans want, I'd get rid of the "part timer" era & create new stars.
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Post by Mr Wrestling Jr. on Feb 19, 2018 10:43:33 GMT -5
I’m all for the brand split. It gives more superstars air time and is a better way to showcase the breadth and depth of talent they have. The only reason it hasn’t worked is because the writers are not doing a good enough job of managing everyone. The tag team scenes in particular are dead yet they have an infinite number of tag teams they could possibly create (eg rollins situation could work for many many others) and create interest and original matches. Same with the US and IC title scenes which have been neglected. It doesn’t help having one world champ off tv 90% of the year either. The cruiserweight division has fallen apart because they just don’t give us a reason to want to know or care about it. In terms of the women, their scene has never been better but they just have this obsession with cramming them all in the one segment. Let there be multiple concurrent storyline with 2 or 3 rivalries. A majority of the shows is promos and progression, not in ring but that is where they let it down. I struggle to think of a time they had this much talent but it’s just misuse on a large scale. Reverting to supershows is the next plausible step and before you know it we’ll be left with seeing not the same matches each week but the same matches twice a week. RAW PPVs in 2017 suffered from no World Champion. SmackDown PPVs suffered from the World Champion being rushed into the spot. It's like they thought "Let's up this year's PPVs so bad we'll have NO choice but to combine them again!"
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