marklud
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Post by marklud on Jul 8, 2018 23:30:36 GMT -5
And yeah Bret definitely has not signed a Legends deal, or at least he didn't as of a few years ago. But thank god we have gotten Bret figures because Mattel signed him before this stupid policy came into place by Mattel.
"I think I'm one of the few guys that doesn't because—these Legends contracts sound great, but they own your soul. It's like signing your life to the devil," Hart told radio station 680 News in Toronto last summer. "I'm Bret 'the Hitman' Hart and I don't want to give WWE my name."
Hart continued: "It took me fourteen years of hard labor to own the rights to my name. That was one of the conditions when I left. To go back now and just give it to them - I'm doing fine with it on my own. I don't like to be owned by WWE; I like to be good friends with them."
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Post by marklud on Jul 8, 2018 23:38:18 GMT -5
And sorry to flood the thread but just to follow up -- the main difference is Jakks had the ability to go out on their own and sign talent who weren't on Legends deals. Mattel did this early on, with some of the big names like Bret and Savage, and then stopped and now it's apparently set in stone for some reason we do not know. Bill asks WWE to try to sign guys like Tatanka to legends deals so he can make figures of them, and if they sign, great, but if not, we're completely out of luck because Mattel is unwilling to sign guys on their own.
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Post by popyduggan on Jul 9, 2018 0:36:19 GMT -5
I could see a new Hillbilly Jim with the Strowman torso in red tank top, but I'd be afraid nobody would buy it.
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Post by erikg on Jul 9, 2018 0:41:30 GMT -5
Just wondering - is there any reason so many people on this forum want late 80s/early 90s so much? Seems like that's the only era people even talk about. I almost never hear any talk of the New Generation era, for instance.
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Post by Crossfit Jesus on Jul 9, 2018 0:46:30 GMT -5
Just wondering - is there any reason so many people on this forum want late 80s/early 90s so much? Seems like that's the only era people even talk about. I almost never hear any talk of the New Generation era, for instance. because we’ve had almost everyone from the new gen probably?
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Post by marklud on Jul 9, 2018 0:47:58 GMT -5
Just wondering - is there any reason so many people on this forum want late 80s/early 90s so much? Seems like that's the only era people even talk about. I almost never hear any talk of the New Generation era, for instance. I think it's two things -- wrestling was enormously popular then (just think how big Hogan was nationally) and people who watched then are at the age now where it's nostalgia/perfect for the adult collector. I'm with you in that I watched most as a kid during the New Generation era so I'd love more New Gen figs -- but there was also a lot of wrestlecrap during that time (Duke the Dumpster Droese, etc., etc.) so it doesn't get as much love.
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Post by wrestlingdelorean on Jul 9, 2018 6:59:57 GMT -5
Just wondering - is there any reason so many people on this forum want late 80s/early 90s so much? Seems like that's the only era people even talk about. I almost never hear any talk of the New Generation era, for instance. because we’ve had almost everyone from the new gen probably? Exactly, the only major guy I can think of is Owen Hart.
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Post by MKSavage on Jul 9, 2018 8:30:35 GMT -5
Just wondering - is there any reason so many people on this forum want late 80s/early 90s so much? Seems like that's the only era people even talk about. I almost never hear any talk of the New Generation era, for instance. I think it's two things -- wrestling was enormously popular then (just think how big Hogan was nationally) and people who watched then are at the age now where it's nostalgia/perfect for the adult collector. I'm with you in that I watched most as a kid during the New Generation era so I'd love more New Gen figs -- but there was also a lot of wrestlecrap during that time (Duke the Dumpster Droese, etc., etc.) so it doesn't get as much love. I agree completely. The Hogan/Golden Era (Mid 80s - early 90s) was very popular where as the New Generation Era (Mid 90s) was not. Even people who worked at the time (Cornette, Bret Hart, Kevin Nash, Bruce Prichard) have all stated that the house shows and pay per views didn't do as well during the New Generation as they did during the Hogan/Golden Era. The Hogan/Golden Era also had a larger roster so there are more figures to ask for where as the New Generation roster was not as deep, and with guys who weren't as good. Plus, I agree with Crossfit Jesus, most of the top guys from the New Generation Era have been made (Bret, Shawn, Taker, Diesel, Razor, Bulldog, Luger, Yoko, Bam Bam, Tatanka, early Goldust), the only one missing would be Owen (or singles Marty Jannetty). There are also some tag teams from the New Generation Era that I have seen people asking for on this forum like the Quebecers, Headshrinkers, Steiners, and Smoking Gunns. But I think there is a bigger want for Hogan/Golden Era teams like the British Bulldogs, the Dream Team, the Rougeau Brothers, Power and Glory, the Powers of Pain, and the Mega Powers. Plus, I think most people who were fans of both ERA's would rather have a Greg Valentine, Hercules, Barbarian, Mountie, Repo Man, Billy Jack Haynes, Don Muraco, Mr. Fuji, and Slick, than have a Duke Droese, Thurman Sparky Plugg, Mantaur, and Aldo Montoya. Though, New Generation Crush and Adam Bomb have been requested a lot.
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Post by erikg on Jul 9, 2018 8:38:18 GMT -5
When I say New Generation I don't necessarily mean first time in the lines exclusively. I am fine with just alternate attires for people we've already gotten. My main complaint about the era beforehand is many times it's just that people still had such generic looks.
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Post by erikg on Jul 9, 2018 8:42:57 GMT -5
I think it's two things -- wrestling was enormously popular then (just think how big Hogan was nationally) and people who watched then are at the age now where it's nostalgia/perfect for the adult collector. I'm with you in that I watched most as a kid during the New Generation era so I'd love more New Gen figs -- but there was also a lot of wrestlecrap during that time (Duke the Dumpster Droese, etc., etc.) so it doesn't get as much love. I agree completely. The Hogan/Golden Era (Mid 80s - early 90s) was very popular where as the New Generation Era (Mid 90s) was not. Even people who worked at the time (Cornette, Bret Hart, Kevin Nash, Bruce Prichard) have all stated that the house shows and pay per views didn't do as well during the New Generation as they did during the Hogan/Golden Era. The Hogan/Golden Era also had a larger roster so there are more figures to ask for where as the New Generation roster was not as deep, and with guys who weren't as good. Plus, I agree with Crossfit Jesus, most of the top guys from the New Generation Era have been made (Bret, Shawn, Taker, Diesel, Razor, Bulldog, Luger, Yoko, Bam Bam, Tatanka, early Goldust), the only one missing would be Owen (or singles Marty Jannetty). There are also some tag teams from the New Generation Era that I have seen people asking for on this forum like the Quebecers, Headshrinkers, Steiners, and Smoking Gunns. But I think there is a bigger want for Hogan/Golden Era teams like the British Bulldogs, the Dream Team, the Rougeau Brothers, Power and Glory, the Powers of Pain, and the Mega Powers. Plus, I think most people who were fans of both ERA's would rather have a Greg Valentine, Hercules, Barbarian, Mountie, Repo Man, Billy Jack Haynes, Don Muraco, Mr. Fuji, and Slick, than have a Duke Droese, Thurman Sparky Plugg, Mantaur, and Aldo Montoya. Though, New Generation Crush and Adam Bomb have been requested a lot. During that era they tended to "repackage" people to the extent that they were unrecognizable from their other personas. For instance, we've already had Rikishi and the Godfather, but it would be so different persona and attire wise if we got Makin' A Difference Fatu and Supreme Fighting Machine Kama that it would almost be like a first time in the line. So in that sense there are many people they could do.
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Post by MKSavage on Jul 9, 2018 8:46:50 GMT -5
And yeah Bret definitely has not signed a Legends deal, or at least he didn't as of a few years ago. But thank god we have gotten Bret figures because Mattel signed him before this stupid policy came into place by Mattel. "I think I'm one of the few guys that doesn't because—these Legends contracts sound great, but they own your soul. It's like signing your life to the devil," Hart told radio station 680 News in Toronto last summer. "I'm Bret 'the Hitman' Hart and I don't want to give WWE my name." Hart continued: "It took me fourteen years of hard labor to own the rights to my name. That was one of the conditions when I left. To go back now and just give it to them - I'm doing fine with it on my own. I don't like to be owned by WWE; I like to be good friends with them." Can't say I disagree with Bret, he seems to understand his worth better than others. There are a lot of guys from the 90s to today who don't own their names whereas guys who came to the WWF early on like Hulk Hogan, Macho Man Randy Savage, Bret Hart, Jake the Snake, Ric Flair, etc. own their names. I would imagine that if you sign a contract with the WWE and they now own your name, yes, you will get the legends contract (maybe a nice sum) but that probably limits them from making deals else where - which would hurt their total earning potential. I think I remember Bruno Sammartino talking about why he hadn't signed with the WWE to go into the Hall of Fame (before he eventually signed), and he said that it was because the legends deal was so small (I want to say he said it was around $3,000), and that a lot of legends can make more doing appearance elsewhere, but if you are with WWE they tell you when and where you work. Plus, he was very upset that the legends who helped make the WWF/E were getting a very small sum but some of the celebrities that the WWE would sign to make spot appearances were getting huge sums (I want to say he used Mike Tyson as a reference, I think he said that Mike got 1 million).
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Post by Glorydaysofwrestling on Jul 9, 2018 8:50:22 GMT -5
I’m glad that I have all their original Mattel figs. However it’d be awesome if they did re-release some of them. Mattel figs seem to be fragile over time. The leg fell off My King Kong Bundy & Dusty Rhodes fig, I’m afraid to move my Demolition figs in fear of them breaking. They just seem to fall apart (I don’t play, only display). It’s happened on countless figs. Scroll to the last pic. Slaughters dick literally fell off while I was standing him up for these pics. http://instagram.com/p/Bk0pec8gQg0 Sucks that we’ll miss out on Repo Man Strike Force & Early heel Martel Molded Or painted singlet Bundy.
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Post by MKSavage on Jul 9, 2018 8:52:44 GMT -5
I agree completely. The Hogan/Golden Era (Mid 80s - early 90s) was very popular where as the New Generation Era (Mid 90s) was not. Even people who worked at the time (Cornette, Bret Hart, Kevin Nash, Bruce Prichard) have all stated that the house shows and pay per views didn't do as well during the New Generation as they did during the Hogan/Golden Era. The Hogan/Golden Era also had a larger roster so there are more figures to ask for where as the New Generation roster was not as deep, and with guys who weren't as good. Plus, I agree with Crossfit Jesus, most of the top guys from the New Generation Era have been made (Bret, Shawn, Taker, Diesel, Razor, Bulldog, Luger, Yoko, Bam Bam, Tatanka, early Goldust), the only one missing would be Owen (or singles Marty Jannetty). There are also some tag teams from the New Generation Era that I have seen people asking for on this forum like the Quebecers, Headshrinkers, Steiners, and Smoking Gunns. But I think there is a bigger want for Hogan/Golden Era teams like the British Bulldogs, the Dream Team, the Rougeau Brothers, Power and Glory, the Powers of Pain, and the Mega Powers. Plus, I think most people who were fans of both ERA's would rather have a Greg Valentine, Hercules, Barbarian, Mountie, Repo Man, Billy Jack Haynes, Don Muraco, Mr. Fuji, and Slick, than have a Duke Droese, Thurman Sparky Plugg, Mantaur, and Aldo Montoya. Though, New Generation Crush and Adam Bomb have been requested a lot. During that era they tended to "repackage" people to the extent that they were unrecognizable from their other personas. For instance, we've already had Rikishi and the Godfather, but it would be so different persona and attire wise if we got Makin' A Difference Fatu and Supreme Fighting Machine Kama that it would almost be like a first time in the line. So in that sense there are many people they could do. I don't think people would have a problem with this but I still think most people would rather have a Greg Valentine, Hercules, Powers of Pain, British Bulldogs - who would all be first time in the line, over the different characters of people we already have - like Fatu and Kama. But I could be wrong.
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Jul 9, 2018 8:59:18 GMT -5
During that era they tended to "repackage" people to the extent that they were unrecognizable from their other personas. For instance, we've already had Rikishi and the Godfather, but it would be so different persona and attire wise if we got Makin' A Difference Fatu and Supreme Fighting Machine Kama that it would almost be like a first time in the line. So in that sense there are many people they could do. I don't think people would have a problem with this but I still think most people would rather have a Greg Valentine, Hercules, Powers of Pain, British Bulldogs - who would all be first time in the line, over the different characters of people we already have - like Fatu and Kama. But I could be wrong. I don’t mind different characters by the same guy ie typhoon,tugboat. It gives it variety and lets a bunch of gimmicks out at once. Yeah I’d love true first time figures of some guys, I have nothing wrong with a fighting Kama and a nation one being released. Same with MStk Henry. It baffles me why sexual chocolate got a figure but Nation Henry didn’t.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jul 9, 2018 9:12:28 GMT -5
Sucks that Bundy never got a retail release.
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Post by Iron Bison on Jul 9, 2018 9:12:34 GMT -5
Oh, well. Life moves on and I save money.
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Post by mrmonkeyofficial on Jul 9, 2018 9:13:33 GMT -5
Rick Martel is on good terms and Hillblly Jim is since the tweet says that, everyone else Da Handsome 1 mentioned is on the concussion lawsuit Just curious, but how do you know that he is on good terms and if he is then why doesn't WWE sign him to a legends deal?! There is demand for another Rick Martel figure and before anyone says re-release I am not looking for a re-release but either another Model Martel in a different attire or a Strike Force Martel. It has been mentioned before (I believe by Bill) that WWE has signed some guys- Boogeyman and Tatanka are two, specifically so they can make figures of them so why can' they do the same with Martel?! Yes, I am shocked that he actually answered a question directly, he usually doesn't give a direct answer most likely because his bosses won't allow him to. Of course in this instance he didn't really tell us something that isn't already known- several of the guys mentioned are involved in the lawsuit and Hillbilly Jim was just inducted in the HOF, this leaves Rick Martel as the only real unknown. Mr. Handsome, I think you should try your luck a second time and ask him again about other legends but this time ask about guys whom they haven't made a figure of like Haku, Hercules, Billy Graham. He probably won't answer that question but you never know?! He was in WWE2K18, so i was thinking he was, and i haven't seen him on any lawsuit
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Jul 9, 2018 9:57:08 GMT -5
Just wondering - is there any reason so many people on this forum want late 80s/early 90s so much? Seems like that's the only era people even talk about. I almost never hear any talk of the New Generation era, for instance. New Gen is probably my least favorite classic era but probably my most desired era for figures. So many dumb and colorful characters that would make for great display pieces. I will buy any and every New Gen Mattel makes. I hate Michael Hayes but I’ll buy Dok Hendrix. Hoping for a BAF Pettingill. We also need Double J, Aldo Montoya, Max Moon, Fake Diesel and Razor, Body Donnas, Godwins, Gunns, Savio, Mero, 97 Neidhart, Lawler, 96 Warrior, Kama, Demento,Kwang, Sultan, Make a Difference Fatu, Commissioner Slaughter, and Bob Backlund. Plus several more
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Post by Chip on Jul 9, 2018 9:59:32 GMT -5
i mean we already have perfect versions of all those guys so i dont really see the need for more
with the exception of Martel whom I would have liked a Strike Force version w/ Tito but that would have been a massive peg warmer
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Post by theaxehennig on Jul 9, 2018 10:07:48 GMT -5
I could have definitely gone for an upgraded Martel. The Legends release suffered from “peanut head” syndrome. A curly haired version we could use with Strike Force would have also been great.
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