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Post by JC Motors on Jul 9, 2018 10:12:40 GMT -5
I believe Bundy, Demolition, and OMG are in the concussion suit. I hoped Martel was under contract, but 2K does sign wrestlers to contracts outside of Legends deals. Wish Mattel would do the same... I heard on Sam Roberts podcast that Mattel used to do that. Jakks used to do that
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Post by Artie Kendall on Jul 9, 2018 10:16:29 GMT -5
Just wondering - is there any reason so many people on this forum want late 80s/early 90s so much? Seems like that's the only era people even talk about. I almost never hear any talk of the New Generation era, for instance. I don't know why so many people want that era. I personally want more New Gen, "WCW 95 lol", and NWA 70s-80s releases. I grew up on NWA/JCP so maybe more people here grew up on WWF late 80s early 90s.
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Jul 9, 2018 10:18:50 GMT -5
i mean we already have perfect versions of all those guys so i dont really see the need for more with the exception of Martel whom I would have liked a Strike Force version w/ Tito but that would have been a massive peg warmer That’s the only legend figure I didn’t get was Martel. You would think I’d want it rereleased too but I’d rather let people have something worth something and I’ll pay higher price if I want it than see it again
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Post by MKSavage on Jul 9, 2018 10:39:04 GMT -5
Just wondering - is there any reason so many people on this forum want late 80s/early 90s so much? Seems like that's the only era people even talk about. I almost never hear any talk of the New Generation era, for instance. New Gen is probably my least favorite classic era but probably my most desired era for figures. So many dumb and colorful characters that would make for great display pieces. I will buy any and every New Gen Mattel makes. I hate Michael Hayes but I’ll buy Dok Hendrix. Hoping for a BAF Pettingill. We also need Double J, Aldo Montoya, Max Moon, Fake Diesel and Razor, Body Donnas, Godwins, Gunns, Savio, Mero, 97 Neidhart, Lawler, 96 Warrior, Kama, Demento,Kwang, Sultan, Make a Difference Fatu, Commissioner Slaughter, and Bob Backlund. Plus several more Can't believe I forgot to add 96 Warrior when I was talking about people from the new generation that people want and that Mattel has not made. I would like at least two 96 Warrior's (WM12 and IYH vs Goldust, both with his dusters). I here you on Todd Pettingill, I probably wouldn't pick him up, but, I must be the only one who wants a Sean Mooney and Lord Alfred Hayes. I wouldn't consider 97 Neidhart as New Generation, I'd put that in Attitude Era. However, he did wrestle in 1994 in the same attire, so they could do a 94 Anvil for the New Generation. i mean we already have perfect versions of all those guys so i dont really see the need for more with the exception of Martel whom I would have liked a Strike Force version w/ Tito but that would have been a massive peg warmer That’s the only legend figure I didn’t get was Martel. You would think I’d want it rereleased too but I’d rather let people have something worth something and I’ll pay higher price if I want it than see it again Missed out on him too. I saw him once in the stores and decided to wait, never saw him stores again. Now he is just to expensive. I wouldn't mind them releasing a Pink or Pale blue Model and/or a Strike Force version.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 10:41:40 GMT -5
He was in WWE2K18, so i was thinking he was, and i haven't seen him on any lawsuit It has been mentioned on here before that the video game operates separately from other types of merchandise and the company that makes the game is free to sign whomever they want to appear in the game. Case in point, the very first edition of the 2K series had a number of NWO guys in the roster including Scott Steiner. As is known, he is not on good terms with WWE so the reason he is in the game is because he signed a deal directly with the game company. I think the same applies to Rick Martel, from what I read in one of the video game forums, he was originally supposed to appear in WWE 2K17 but was cut from the roster for some reason and was moved to the roster of 2K18. I don't believe he is on bad terms with WWE either, so I think its still possible to get a figure of him at some point, providing that WWE is interested in signing him to a legends deal and he is willing to sign one?!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 10:48:29 GMT -5
Just wondering - is there any reason so many people on this forum want late 80s/early 90s so much? Seems like that's the only era people even talk about. I almost never hear any talk of the New Generation era, for instance. The Golden Era is one of the most popular eras in WWE and wrestling history. This is the time when McMahon took WWE national and the first time in history when wrestling became part of the mainstream thanks to McMahon merging it together with pop culture and the world of celebrities. The New Gen era was a time of transition from one generation of wrestlers to another and wasn't really good, thus the decline in popularity. Also, in the early 90's you had the whole steroid scandal which almost took WWE down, I think this also contributed to the decline in popularity and transitioning back into a niche form of entertainment catering mainly to the main wrestling fan base.
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Jul 9, 2018 10:49:48 GMT -5
He was in WWE2K18, so i was thinking he was, and i haven't seen him on any lawsuit It has been mentioned on here before that the video game operates separately from other types of merchandise and the company that makes the game is free to sign whomever they want to appear in the game. Case in point, the very first edition of the 2K series had a number of NWO guys in the roster including Scott Steiner. As is known, he is not on good terms with WWE so the reason he is in the game is because he signed a deal directly with the game company. I think the same applies to Rick Martel, from what I read in one of the video game forums, he was originally supposed to appear in WWE 2K17 but was cut from the roster for some reason and was moved to the roster of 2K18. I don't believe he is on bad terms with WWE either, so I think its still possible to get a figure of him at some point, providing that WWE is interested in signing him to a legends deal and he is willing to sign one?! Probably a one time deal. 2K pays Martel let’s say 10,000$ to use him in the game and that’s it. Mattel could probably in theory do it but maybe it’s too much for what they would have to sell of that one guy. I wonder how wwe merchandise deals work? Because I do believe they have a merch deal for legends and a legends deal.
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Post by mrmonkeyofficial on Jul 9, 2018 10:51:08 GMT -5
He was in WWE2K18, so i was thinking he was, and i haven't seen him on any lawsuit It has been mentioned on here before that the video game operates separately from other types of merchandise and the company that makes the game is free to sign whomever they want to appear in the game. Case in point, the very first edition of the 2K series had a number of NWO guys in the roster including Scott Steiner. As is known, he is not on good terms with WWE so the reason he is in the game is because he signed a deal directly with the game company. I think the same applies to Rick Martel, from what I read in one of the video game forums, he was originally supposed to appear in WWE 2K17 but was cut from the roster for some reason and was moved to the roster of 2K18. I don't believe he is on bad terms with WWE either, so I think its still possible to get a figure of him at some point, providing that WWE is interested in signing him to a legends deal and he is willing to sign one?! Yeah, i hope he signs a deal, so many attires they could make (Pink Gear, Light Blue, Strike Force) so many attires, and i heard a rumor earlier this year, that WWE was interested in putting him in the Hall Of Fame, don't know if that was true, but he absolutely deserves it, really underrated, but if mattel even rereleases him if he ever signs a legends deal is a mystery
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Jul 9, 2018 10:51:34 GMT -5
New Gen is probably my least favorite classic era but probably my most desired era for figures. So many dumb and colorful characters that would make for great display pieces. I will buy any and every New Gen Mattel makes. I hate Michael Hayes but I’ll buy Dok Hendrix. Hoping for a BAF Pettingill. We also need Double J, Aldo Montoya, Max Moon, Fake Diesel and Razor, Body Donnas, Godwins, Gunns, Savio, Mero, 97 Neidhart, Lawler, 96 Warrior, Kama, Demento,Kwang, Sultan, Make a Difference Fatu, Commissioner Slaughter, and Bob Backlund. Plus several more Can't believe I forgot to add 96 Warrior when I was talking about people from the new generation that people want and that Mattel has not made. I would like at least two 96 Warrior's (WM12 and IYH vs Goldust, both with his dusters). I here you on Todd Pettingill, I probably wouldn't pick him up, but, I must be the only one who wants a Sean Mooney and Lord Alfred Hayes. I wouldn't consider 97 Neidhart as New Generation, I'd put that in Attitude Era. However, he did wrestle in 1994 in the same attire, so they could do a 94 Anvil for the New Generation. I do have 97 Foundation in with my Attitude but there’s always a debate on when New Gen ended and Attitude begun. There’s definitely some crossover between eras with 97 HF. Canadian Stampede I consider New Gen. I don’t think anyone would be wrong displaying them in either era.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 11:05:29 GMT -5
I could have definitely gone for an upgraded Martel. The Legends release suffered from “peanut head” syndrome. A curly haired version we could use with Strike Force would have also been great. I passed on the Mattel Martel figure because I didn't really care for the Model gimmick. However, now I have had a change of heart and seeing as though this is the gimmick he is probably most remembered for, I would buy a Model Martel if that is what Mattel decides to release (should they get the go ahead to make another figure). I would still prefer Strike Force Martel but I would also take this version of the Model: (Baby blue trunks, kneepads & boots, with sweater, sunglasses and hopefully new head sculpt)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 11:30:03 GMT -5
I think that may be how the Legends deals work as well- 'X' amount of dollars for the use of the persons' likeness. This is probably fine for the less popular guys as it puts some money in their pocket but for the more popular wrestlers (Hogan Macho, Warrior, Bret, Stone Cold), that type of deal is terrible, which is why some of them don't want to sign one. If I were them, I would ask for a share of the profits from the merch sales, WWE after all is profiting from the sale of the use of their likeness so why shouldn't the wrestler profit as well?!
This is exactly what I have been speculating. The legends deal not only gives WWE exclusive rights to use your likeness to make merchandise but it also locks the wrestler into exclusivity as far as appearances go. I don't doubt Bruno when he said that you can make more doing appearances on their own then under contract to WWE. For those that attend these types of events, correct me if I am wrong but I believe a wrestler not only makes money from autograph signings but also by charging an appearance fee to the promoter for appearing at the event.
I am surprised they have not released a '97 Neidhart figure, especially since it appears that they have not really signed any new people to deals?! I think the new 'Best of Attitude Era' would be a good fit for this figure, its an online exclusive and from what I have seen the exclusive lines have a slightly higher budget. The higher budget would allow Bill to include a leather jacket accessory to match the other '97 Hart Foundation figs (Bret, Pillman, Bulldog).
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Post by rastlinfigures on Jul 9, 2018 13:08:28 GMT -5
And those (Hillbilly, Martel, Akeem & Bundy) are the ones I really need from a legends perspective at this point. They are available on eBay, but can be pricey.
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Post by 235guy on Jul 9, 2018 13:22:05 GMT -5
I've still got King Kong, would love a new Martel without arm stains, Hillbilly and Demolition would be cool cuz I missed out on them. No interest in Akeem..
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Post by NamJoonKim on Jul 9, 2018 13:41:15 GMT -5
Only recently got hold of the Demolition legends series. Took me a while and probably my favourites. It's nice knowing sometimes that something isn't going to be crazy mass produced That’s cool. I’d love to get them someday. www.seoulbrotherswrestling.com
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Post by NamJoonKim on Jul 9, 2018 13:41:25 GMT -5
Only recently got hold of the Demolition legends series. Took me a while and probably my favourites. It's nice knowing sometimes that something isn't going to be crazy mass produced That’s cool. I’d love to get them someday. www.seoulbrotherswrestling.com
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Post by stc13 on Jul 9, 2018 13:46:27 GMT -5
It has been mentioned on here before that the video game operates separately from other types of merchandise and the company that makes the game is free to sign whomever they want to appear in the game. Case in point, the very first edition of the 2K series had a number of NWO guys in the roster including Scott Steiner. As is known, he is not on good terms with WWE so the reason he is in the game is because he signed a deal directly with the game company. I think the same applies to Rick Martel, from what I read in one of the video game forums, he was originally supposed to appear in WWE 2K17 but was cut from the roster for some reason and was moved to the roster of 2K18. I don't believe he is on bad terms with WWE either, so I think its still possible to get a figure of him at some point, providing that WWE is interested in signing him to a legends deal and he is willing to sign one?! Probably a one time deal. 2K pays Martel let’s say 10,000$ to use him in the game and that’s it. Mattel could probably in theory do it but maybe it’s too much for what they would have to sell of that one guy. I wonder how wwe merchandise deals work? Because I do believe they have a merch deal for legends and a legends deal. I can't remember when/where I read it, but I think the Legends contracts themselves are for very little, a couple thousand dollars, and then they can earn more if WWE uses them for various appearances and signings (Axcess, etc). I assume the Legends merchandise contract has a low or no downside guarantee, but the wrestlers get paid a set rate or percentage for merchandise sold. I remember seeing some segments in one of the Sting dvd's when he signed with WWE where he met with the merch people and they walked him through all the merch they wanted to sell, though they edited out any portions discussing numbers. But with the number of larger wrestling autograph conventions and the relative ease of wrestlers setting up their own store on prowrestlingtees, I can see why some might be hesitant to sign with WWE. I don't think anything is stopping Mattel from signing guys to their own deals, they just refuse to. Maybe that will change at some point, given how stale the line has become.
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Post by WrestlingFigWig on Jul 9, 2018 14:17:20 GMT -5
The concussion lawsuit got thrown out by a judge last month, but I’m sure those who were in it are currently blackballed.
I sent Bill a tweet about the response Haku got at G1, saying hint, hint. He replied to that saying that was in NJPW though. Looks like a Haku figure is doubtful.
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Post by natureboyfauser on Jul 9, 2018 14:25:08 GMT -5
I agree with the MOD SP CHIP. Those were done so well not sure why those, in particular, were asked about but I support that person's passion. I would love to have gotten ONE MAN GANG ... I too am far more interested in getting NEW TO THE LINE figures ... figures that have not been made yet by Mattel. I am so pumped about Harley Race ... but would love Bob Backlund, Superstar Graham, Steiners, Kevin Sullivan, Rocky Johnson, Tony Atlas, Don Muraco, The Black Jacks, etc ... and wish they would include one Legend with a current assortment and have the WWE do a featurette on each legend. That would be great branding ... get kids to be more interested in the past.
WIN WIN! Mattel and WWE and Legends all win. Increase value on autograph shows, Hall of Fame etc ...
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Jul 9, 2018 15:49:24 GMT -5
If you were late to the Mattel game, fair enough but these guys were already released and easy to get hold off at one stage so you's had your chance. Bundy, I remember warmed real hard on Matty Collector as did the other WWE releases. Rather than clamour for re-releases, how about legends that havent had a release...the rock n roll express for one.
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Post by JC Motors on Jul 9, 2018 15:50:17 GMT -5
Just wondering - is there any reason so many people on this forum want late 80s/early 90s so much? Seems like that's the only era people even talk about. I almost never hear any talk of the New Generation era, for instance. New Gen is probably my least favorite classic era but probably my most desired era for figures. So many dumb and colorful characters that would make for great display pieces. I will buy any and every New Gen Mattel makes. I hate Michael Hayes but I’ll buy Dok Hendrix. Hoping for a BAF Pettingill. We also need Double J, Aldo Montoya, Max Moon, Fake Diesel and Razor, Body Donnas, Godwins, Gunns, Savio, Mero, 97 Neidhart, Lawler, 96 Warrior, Kama, Demento,Kwang, Sultan, Make a Difference Fatu, Commissioner Slaughter, and Bob Backlund. Plus several more I would love a Todd Pettingill figure
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