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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jul 19, 2018 17:55:55 GMT -5
OP, your signature picture is from the era where the Honky Tonk Man was doing the same thing. Put a title on someone who seems like they can't hang with the roster, have them cheat their way to retaining that title, and there's the heat.
Any wrestler who can get a Wfigs thread whining about their push and they're not even Roman Reigns or John Cena, they're drawing heat.
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Post by TheBadGuyChico on Jul 19, 2018 18:22:10 GMT -5
Carmella is just bad all around but its kinda irrelevant because not one WWE Title means crap any more. Thank you sir, I'm night sure why people think she's talented. My entire point was that the belt was on fire until she got it. Coincidence?
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Post by TheBadGuyChico on Jul 19, 2018 18:23:41 GMT -5
I'm just glad that none of this apologetic cheap applies in NXT. You have to hit homeruns to get those titles, no sticking it on a mouth and see what happens.
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Post by stratusfaction23 on Jul 19, 2018 18:27:02 GMT -5
As far as Miss Kitty and Debra go, it was a different time in the WWF as things were never truly taken that seriously, so I always saw them as placeholder champions. They put the title on Debra because she was the most over female after Sable and Sable was leaving. They put the title on The Kat for a minute as she was the hottest female they had at the time until Trish and Lita came in and Ivory wasn't ever really over until she was in the RTC.
I think having Carmella as Champion was a way to freshen things up a bit as the title picture was getting stagnant. Carmella is one of the best women on the mic and one of the most entertaining. She plays her obnoxious cowardly heel role to a T.
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Post by BSR on Jul 19, 2018 18:30:45 GMT -5
Carmella is trash.
Same goes for the icons.
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Jul 19, 2018 18:32:45 GMT -5
I'm just glad that none of this apologetic cheap applies in NXT. You have to hit homeruns to get those titles, no sticking it on a mouth and see what happens. Shayna Baszler is NXT Women’s champion, your post is invalid.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 18:37:59 GMT -5
I didn't mind her cashing in and winning, but she should have lost it back to Charlotte at Backlash. Instead not only does she beat her clean, but also beats Asuka in two ppvs in a row. Wasn't too long ago when Asuka was beating everybody because NOBODY WAS READY FOR ASUKA. Now she's losing in two ppvs in a row to someone whose in ring skills are nowhere near her's. I heard the reason why Carmella and Alexa are champs because they are both "diva" like and Vince likes that. Maybe Vince regrets even letting Hunter and Steph convince him to make the women's division a serious thing.
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Post by snatch on Jul 19, 2018 18:54:41 GMT -5
The women’s title has always been hot potatoed.
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Post by TheBadGuyChico on Jul 19, 2018 19:18:29 GMT -5
If I'm guilty or gullible on any front, it was taking the division too seriously as a wrestling division I guess. That WM match was incredible, I thought that is the path the belt would continue down.
I did not expect a Miz like run.
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Post by TheBadGuyChico on Jul 19, 2018 19:28:49 GMT -5
I'm just glad that none of this apologetic cheap applies in NXT. You have to hit homeruns to get those titles, no sticking it on a mouth and see what happens. Shayna Baszler is NXT Women’s champion, your post is invalid. This is one of many straw-man arguments in this thread. So comparing a legitimately believable destroyer to a mouth with no ability or ring talent whatsoever, is a good argument? C'mon! That's like says that because Brock doesn't move the needle, he's no better of a champion than the Miz would be. The other arguments are that we've seen worse. I'm aware of how bad Debra, Kat, among others sucked. It's 2018 and the roster is deep, we don't need to put the title on a women who isn't a great athlete.
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Jul 19, 2018 19:35:16 GMT -5
Let’s be serious. Mella is money! I hardly watch Smackdown but lately I’ve been tuning in a little more. I love her character and whAt they are doing with her. Ellsworth was brought back not to make her look strong but so Asuka didn’t look weak, and it worked. Her promos are awesome and she plays the part well. While she isn’t the greatest champ of all time they are building her up so people wanna see her lose which people already do. I think it’s a good job
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Post by blissfan4life on Jul 19, 2018 19:40:35 GMT -5
I didn't mind her cashing in and winning, but she should have lost it back to Charlotte at Backlash. Instead not only does she beat her clean, but also beats Asuka in two ppvs in a row. Wasn't too long ago when Asuka was beating everybody because NOBODY WAS READY FOR ASUKA. Now she's losing in two ppvs in a row to someone whose in ring skills are nowhere near her's. I heard the reason why Carmella and Alexa are champs because they are both "diva" like and Vince likes that. Maybe Vince regrets even letting Hunter and Steph convince him to make the women's division a serious thing. Trish, Eve, Candice, Michelle McCool, etc were diva like and turned out decent wrestlers.
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Post by aggressiveperfectpoor on Jul 19, 2018 19:51:56 GMT -5
I didn't mind her cashing in and winning, but she should have lost it back to Charlotte at Backlash. Instead not only does she beat her clean, but also beats Asuka in two ppvs in a row. Wasn't too long ago when Asuka was beating everybody because NOBODY WAS READY FOR ASUKA. Now she's losing in two ppvs in a row to someone whose in ring skills are nowhere near her's. I heard the reason why Carmella and Alexa are champs because they are both "diva" like and Vince likes that. Maybe Vince regrets even letting Hunter and Steph convince him to make the women's division a serious thing. Trish, Eve, Candice, Michelle McCool, etc were diva like and turned out decent wrestlers. Candice? As in Candice Michelle? Now I can go with you on the other 3 but Candace Michelle?
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Jul 19, 2018 20:08:23 GMT -5
Shayna Baszler is NXT Women’s champion, your post is invalid. This is one of many straw-man arguments in this thread. So comparing a legitimately believable destroyer to a mouth with no ability or ring talent whatsoever, is a good argument? C'mon! That's like says that because Brock doesn't move the needle, he's no better of a champion than the Miz would be. The other arguments are that we've seen worse. I'm aware of how bad Debra, Kat, among others sucked. It's 2018 and the roster is deep, we don't need to put the title on a women who isn't a great athlete. How many home runs has Shayna Baszler hit to deserve to be NXT Women’s champ? 0. Move on.
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Post by TheRockers on Jul 19, 2018 20:42:27 GMT -5
I think she is doing a fine job. I'd guess she does really well in merch sales too. She has a ton of fans.
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Post by TheLastDude on Jul 19, 2018 20:47:03 GMT -5
It's 2018 and the roster is deep, we don't need to put the title on a women who isn't a great athlete. Asuka Becky Lynch Billie Kay Carmella Charlotte Flair Lana Mandy Rose Naomi Nikki Bella Peyton Royce Sonya Deville Tamina There's the current SDL roster. Tamina and Charlotte are inactive, Nikki has made less appearances than Brock this year, Naomi had her shot, they seem bound and determined to ignore Becky, and they obviously give no hugs about Asuka. Who does that leave? Billie Kay, Peyton, Lana, Mandy, and Sonya That's not even close to the definition of deep. Lana is a manager, Sonya is a cardboard cutout, and the other three are greener than goose crap. Oh, and as for your last comment. This is professional wrestling. We don't need an athlete to carry a title, we need someone we can be even remotely entertained by. That's Mella's job.
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Post by BSR on Jul 19, 2018 21:11:01 GMT -5
God I wish eva marie would come back
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Post by TheBadGuyChico on Jul 19, 2018 21:41:15 GMT -5
In 2018 of you can't produce a single above average match, you're a failure.
Again, she is following one of the greatest women's matches of all time. Wrestlemania was a new peak in the division, and no a mouth with no God given athletic ability is a champion. So much for making this division look like a prestigious sport.
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Post by hbkowns on Jul 19, 2018 22:09:50 GMT -5
OP, your signature picture is from the era where the Honky Tonk Man was doing the same thing. Put a title on someone who seems like they can't hang with the roster, have them cheat their way to retaining that title, and there's the heat. Any wrestler who can get a Wfigs thread whining about their push and they're not even Roman Reigns or John Cena, they're drawing heat. Honkey was atleast a decent wrestler. I can’t say the same for Carmella. I could say a lot of negative, but I’ll just say when you have a roster with women like Asuka, Charlotte, Becky Lynch, and even Naomi, there’s no reason why someone like Carmella should have the title. Nooooo reason.
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Post by sonstuds on Jul 19, 2018 22:13:16 GMT -5
Honestly I'm just bitter Summerslam isn't going to be Asuka vs. Becky which it easily could and (IMO because people apparently really like Carmella) should have been.
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