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Post by ThugSuperstar on Jan 29, 2019 13:36:59 GMT -5
I may be mistaken as it’s been a while since I watched it, but didn’t he say back on the Austin podcast that he was one of the few guys who they allowed to cut their own promos? So if that’s the case aren’t his crappy ones like the crowd smelling on him as well? I don't recall him saying that, but I would doubt it. Nobody is really allowed to entirely write their own promos anymore. There are some guys who can provide the company with an outline of what they want to say and then creative takes it into consideration and drafts a promo for them (I think Jimmy Jacobs said this a few weeks ago in an interview I read), and then there are the very few guys like Cena and Heyman who can tell creative "this is what I'm going to say tonight" and are allowed to basically go out there and wing it. There is no way it was Ambrose's idea to go out there and become a germaphobe for a heel character. They probably told him "this is what you have to say" and he just tried to do it as best as he could.
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Post by marino13 on Jan 29, 2019 13:44:06 GMT -5
I may be mistaken as it’s been a while since I watched it, but didn’t he say back on the Austin podcast that he was one of the few guys who they allowed to cut their own promos? So if that’s the case aren’t his crappy ones like the crowd smelling on him as well? Yes he did... "Ambrose said when he first got to WWE, they gave him a script and he couldn’t process it. Ambrose said he can riff and talk forever off the top of his head, but if you give him a paragraph of thoughts, he can’t memorize it. He said it killed it for him. Now, he’s gotten to the point where he can call his own shots. Sometimes Vince McMahon will tell him to say whatever he wants. And then it’s fun again."I assume he'd know more than anyone here.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Jan 29, 2019 14:07:26 GMT -5
I may be mistaken as it’s been a while since I watched it, but didn’t he say back on the Austin podcast that he was one of the few guys who they allowed to cut their own promos? So if that’s the case aren’t his crappy ones like the crowd smelling on him as well? Yes he did... "Ambrose said when he first got to WWE, they gave him a script and he couldn’t process it. Ambrose said he can riff and talk forever off the top of his head, but if you give him a paragraph of thoughts, he can’t memorize it. He said it killed it for him. Now, he’s gotten to the point where he can call his own shots. Sometimes Vince McMahon will tell him to say whatever he wants. And then it’s fun again."I assume he'd know more than anyone here. Guess I was partially mistaken. This was also back when he was the champion and a babyface. He was so good on the mic during this time period that it's hard to imagine most of his promos as a heel being from the same guy. The one he had outside with the flaming garbage can, for example, was way better and made more sense than pretty much every promo I've heard from him since then.
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Post by tarver89 on Jan 29, 2019 14:10:43 GMT -5
He's become so stale and annoying from a couple of years now that i wouldn't feel his absence if he will leave. Even when he was champion seems he acted like a lazy ass. Not taking any time off for four years until he tore his entire arm apart qualifies as "lazy" these days, huh? I'm not talking about injuries and years off, i'm talking about his effort in and out the ring. Sure, i have no problem saying that the bigger part of the involution of 90% of the wrestlers is on creative hands, but let's face it: when was the last time this guy was super hot with the audience? I think around 2014 during the feud with Rollins. After that a long way down, with the little WWE championship reign period, and he didn't have one single moment to remember during that reign. Even Stone Cold buried him during his podcast telling directly to his face that he has no work ethic and stuff like that.
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Post by stc13 on Jan 29, 2019 14:14:30 GMT -5
He had a nice run at the top of the card and was a pretty popular merch seller, so he most likely made some significant bank over the last few years.
Good for him if he is able to pursue something he finds more rewarding. As someone who came back to a PG-friendly product after not watching since the Attitude Era, he just seemed like a character that was in the wrong time. They used the "unstable" tagline, but his character never felt unhinged or unpredictable ala early Mankind or Austin. It was just branding, even though the performer seemed capable of more.
Honestly the saddest thing to me is seeing guys like Ambrose or CM Punk, who for years talk so passionately about wrestling, want to leave the business cold turkey after their experiences in WWE. It's a grueling schedule and has to be creatively frustrating. But it has to take a lot to completely suck the joy out of something that someone seems to love and has built their career and life around.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Jan 29, 2019 14:28:07 GMT -5
Not taking any time off for four years until he tore his entire arm apart qualifies as "lazy" these days, huh? I'm not talking about injuries and years off, i'm talking about his effort in and out the ring. Sure, i have no problem saying that the bigger part of the involution of 90% of the wrestlers is on creative hands, but let's face it: when was the last time this guy was super hot with the audience? I think around 2014 during the feud with Rollins. After that a long way down, with the little WWE championship reign period, and he didn't have one single moment to remember during that reign. Even Stone Cold buried him during his podcast telling directly to his face that he has no work ethic and stuff like that. That wasn't quite what he said. He said he wanted to see him take his character to another level and amp things up. He didn't say Ambrose was lazy, just that he wanted to see more of an edge and an attitude from him. Which, again, goes back to how much control we really believe wrestlers have over their own characters. Ambrose said himself during that podcast that he had much bigger plans of things he wanted to do with Brock in his WrestleMania match with Brock that wound up being completely underwhelming, for example. I mean, what does he do in the ring that would qualify him as being lazy? I'm just sort of confused by that. And I agree, he hasn't been hot with the crowd in a few years, but his reign with the title was booked so terribly. His first feud after the brand split over the title was with Dolph Ziggler, who was dead in the water for the longest time, too, and that did nothing to help either guy gain any momentum. The three times the company really had a chance to do something big with him - 2014 after The Shield breakup, 2016 after he won the title and 2018 after his heel turn - went nowhere. Again, I personally attribute that to the way he was booked - losing practically every month to Rollins and then Wyatt in 2014, being put in a feud with Dolph that had nothing interesting to begin with in 2016 and then turning him into the same generic heel that the company already has hundreds of in 2018.
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Post by hbkowns on Jan 29, 2019 14:42:45 GMT -5
I may be mistaken as it’s been a while since I watched it, but didn’t he say back on the Austin podcast that he was one of the few guys who they allowed to cut their own promos? So if that’s the case aren’t his crappy ones like the crowd smelling on him as well? I think he went more specific on Jerichos podcast a few years ago. He won’t do scripted promos word by word but more like bullet points and he’ll fill in the rest but if Vince wants him to say something word for word he’ll have to do it, which I’m pretty sure is the case 99.9% of the time. The stuff he’s been doing recently doesn’t seem like they’re from Dean at all, straight cheap him from Vince.
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Post by tylerbreezee on Jan 29, 2019 14:46:42 GMT -5
He had a nice run at the top of the card and was a pretty popular merch seller, so he most likely made some significant bank over the last few years. Good for him if he is able to pursue something he finds more rewarding. As someone who came back to a PG-friendly product after not watching since the Attitude Era, he just seemed like a character that was in the wrong time. They used the "unstable" tagline, but his character never felt unhinged or unpredictable ala early Mankind or Austin. It was just branding, even though the performer seemed capable of more. Honestly the saddest thing to me is seeing guys like Ambrose or CM Punk, who for years talk so passionately about wrestling, want to leave the business cold turkey after their experiences in WWE. It's a grueling schedule and has to be creatively frustrating. But it has to take a lot to completely suck the joy out of something that someone seems to love and has built their career and life around. Pretty sure he was getting 1-2 mill a year since 2014 or 2015 and then adding on merchandise and money he saved from his lower salary in 2012/2013, I’m sure he has enough saved to last the rest of his life. Not to mention he’s a pretty modest guy so luxuries aren’t his forte unlike Cena. Also Renee will still have a paycheck rolling in that I’m sure is very generous. So if he’s got the cash in the bank and he’s ready to hang up his boots, good for him
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Post by BØRNS on Jan 29, 2019 14:54:34 GMT -5
If he said leave, I hope it won't affect Renee Young. I love her commentary
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Post by k5 on Jan 29, 2019 15:02:41 GMT -5
pretty shocking, he’s certainly been mishandled but I don’t think anyone saw this coming.
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Jan 29, 2019 15:14:10 GMT -5
Never seen anything remotely interesting in the guy and ive been watching wrestling for 2 decades. Vince will not lose any sleep over this if its true.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 15:21:27 GMT -5
If he said leave, I hope it won't affect Renee Young. I love her commentary Really?
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Post by A-Rob on Jan 29, 2019 15:25:17 GMT -5
Well this should get interesting.
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Post by master of the WORLD! on Jan 29, 2019 15:35:49 GMT -5
Never seen anything remotely interesting in the guy and ive been watching wrestling for 2 decades. Vince will not lose any sleep over this if its true. i think hes good but i dont think if he leaves that its a huge loss. i always look at him as an upper mid card guy not a main eventer.
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Post by rkmo: Cheats & Geeks on Jan 29, 2019 15:39:55 GMT -5
If he said leave, I hope it won't affect Renee Young. I love her commentary Backstage heat on Renee confirmed.
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Post by Daredevil on Jan 29, 2019 16:32:43 GMT -5
Updated with the new WWE statement confirming the news.
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Post by FLUX '97 on Jan 29, 2019 16:40:02 GMT -5
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Post by Nivro™ on Jan 29, 2019 16:41:26 GMT -5
Eh honestly i was never a big fan. He was a decent worker but never had "the look". He literally looked like a flea market wrestler they signed as enhancement talent.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Jan 29, 2019 16:42:54 GMT -5
That's pretty surprising the company would confirm ahead of time that he's gone come April and won't be re-signing. Can't recall them ever doing that before. This all happened really quickly...hoping that Ambrose latches on with another company fairly soon that will utilize him better.
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Post by FLUX '97 on Jan 29, 2019 16:44:44 GMT -5
That's pretty surprising the company would confirm ahead of time that he's gone come April and won't be re-signing. Can't recall them ever doing that before. This all happened really quickly...hoping that Ambrose latches on with another company fairly soon that will utilize him better. Probably gave him what they feel is their final offer and he said no so they just said " it we'll let him walk."
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