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Post by Yambag Jones on Apr 20, 2020 14:57:32 GMT -5
Remember in that clip from Beyond the Mat where Vince says he doesn't make a wrestling show and said they make movies?
These segments remind me of that. I wouldn't call it wrestling. "Sports entertainment" seems to fit WWE now more than ever.
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Post by jking1979 on Apr 20, 2020 15:00:48 GMT -5
Remember in that clip from Beyond the Mat where Vince says he doesn't make a wrestling show and said they make movies? These segments remind me of that. I wouldn't call it wrestling. "Sports entertainment" seems to fit WWE now more than ever. I feel like wrestling has been sports entertainment for years. It was different back in Lou Thesz's days.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Apr 20, 2020 15:18:30 GMT -5
Remember in that clip from Beyond the Mat where Vince says he doesn't make a wrestling show and said they make movies? These segments remind me of that. I wouldn't call it wrestling. "Sports entertainment" seems to fit WWE now more than ever. I feel like wrestling has been sports entertainment for years. It was different back in Lou Thesz's days. Imagine someone doing flappy stuff on Lou Theze lol I'm not gonna lie, I'd love for WWE to only become pre-taped segments and see what happens to their falling numbers.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Apr 20, 2020 19:03:39 GMT -5
Sports entertainment draws, always has and always will. The WWE wouldn't be the huge monstrous machine it is today if it was strictly Pro Wrestling.
As a kid 20 minute technical wrestling matches did not interest me or make me a fan of WWE. The OOT storylines, surreal gimmicks and ass kicking sucked me and millions of others in. During The Monday Night Wars the WWE didn't turn to pro wrestling to draw ratings. They became an athletic soap opera and it worked.
At the end of the day Wrestling and Sports entertainment need each other, one won't work without the other. A good mixture of both makes a perfect show.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Apr 20, 2020 19:50:37 GMT -5
Remember in that clip from Beyond the Mat where Vince says he doesn't make a wrestling show and said they make movies? These segments remind me of that. I wouldn't call it wrestling. "Sports entertainment" seems to fit WWE now more than ever. I feel like wrestling has been sports entertainment for years. It was different back in Lou Thesz's days. Yup. The idea that wrestling only recently stopped presenting itself as A Serious Serious Legit Real Sport is pretty funny. It happened decades ago. Hell, even in the fifties, Lou Thesz was wrestling on the same cards as comedy midget matches. It’s always been carny, sideshow, Vaudeville type entertainment. In 1970s and 80s Memphis, Jerry Lawler had opponents like Frankenstein, Darth Vader and Jason Voorhees. The WWF has had slogans like “the world leader in sports entertainment” since pretty much when the Vinman took over, certainly by the late eighties. In the NWA territories, there was always comedy stuff like Dusty Rhodes losing a “loser leaves Florida” match and sneaking back in wearing a gimp mask as a wink-wink different character. WCW had Robocop and Chucky from Child’s Play as characters. TNA and The New TNA had/have wrestlers arguing with sentient drones.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Apr 21, 2020 5:49:56 GMT -5
Overall, these are damaging to the illusion, however loose the interpretation was to begin with, that we're seeing a sporting contest. Undertaker's WM match took it about as far as it could go and it still contained elements that didn't need to be there. The Firefly Funhouse match (and I say this as a Fiend fan) gutting the idea that we were watching any semblance of a fight. Pro wrestling has always incorporated some bizarre, logic-stretching elements to it, but it can't be a full-on movie. At its heart, that's not why people tune in. Let's hope these segments don't proliferate.
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Post by drgreenevil on Apr 22, 2020 15:47:26 GMT -5
You can see a lot of Lucha Underground influence in these cinematic matches. Or at least some indirect admission that what Matt Hardy has been doing works and sells.
The new format MITB matches are seriously making me consider using the network's free trial to watch. There is so much room for crazy stuff to happen.
Plus I wouldn't mind watching Wrestlemania for the Undertaker and Fiend matches.
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Post by k5 on Apr 22, 2020 16:17:12 GMT -5
I feel like wrestling has been sports entertainment for years. It was different back in Lou Thesz's days. Yup. The idea that wrestling only recently stopped presenting itself as A Serious Serious Legit Real Sport is pretty funny. It happened decades ago. Hell, even in the fifties, Lou Thesz was wrestling on the same cards as comedy midget matches. It’s always been carny, sideshow, Vaudeville type entertainment. In 1970s and 80s Memphis, Jerry Lawler had opponents like Frankenstein, Darth Vader and Jason Voorhees. The WWF has had slogans like “the world leader in sports entertainment” since pretty much when the Vinman took over, certainly by the late eighties. In the NWA territories, there was always comedy stuff like Dusty Rhodes losing a “loser leaves Florida” match and sneaking back in wearing a gimp mask as a wink-wink different character. WCW had Robocop and Chucky from Child’s Play as characters. TNA and The New TNA had/have wrestlers arguing with sentient drones. February 10th 1989 is the day that the term sports entertainment was introduced, as Vince found a way around paying taxes to athletic commissions dependent on the state.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Apr 22, 2020 18:28:13 GMT -5
Yup. The idea that wrestling only recently stopped presenting itself as A Serious Serious Legit Real Sport is pretty funny. It happened decades ago. Hell, even in the fifties, Lou Thesz was wrestling on the same cards as comedy midget matches. It’s always been carny, sideshow, Vaudeville type entertainment. In 1970s and 80s Memphis, Jerry Lawler had opponents like Frankenstein, Darth Vader and Jason Voorhees. The WWF has had slogans like “the world leader in sports entertainment” since pretty much when the Vinman took over, certainly by the late eighties. In the NWA territories, there was always comedy stuff like Dusty Rhodes losing a “loser leaves Florida” match and sneaking back in wearing a gimp mask as a wink-wink different character. WCW had Robocop and Chucky from Child’s Play as characters. TNA and The New TNA had/have wrestlers arguing with sentient drones. February 10th 1989 is the day that the term sports entertainment was introduced, as Vince found a way around paying taxes to athletic commissions dependent on the state. False. In the mid-1980s, the WWF TV signature intro was “the recognised symbol of excellence in sports entertainment.” As can be seen at the start of The Wrestling Classic PPV on the WWE Network. So the term was being used on WWF television by November 1985 at the latest. There are a bunch of old episodes of Superstars/ Championship Wrestling on YouTube using it too, from as early as May 1985.
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Post by k5 on Apr 22, 2020 18:34:07 GMT -5
February 10th 1989 is the day that the term sports entertainment was introduced, as Vince found a way around paying taxes to athletic commissions dependent on the state. False. In the mid-1980s, the WWF TV signature intro was “the recognised symbol of excellence in sports entertainment.” As can be seen at the start of The Wrestling Classic PPV on the WWE Network. So the term was being used on WWF television by November 1985 at the latest. There are a bunch of old episodes of Superstars/ Championship Wrestling on YouTube using it too, from as early as May 1985. ah fair, and so they did.
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