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Post by Nick Papagiorgio on Nov 15, 2020 9:29:58 GMT -5
I saw this on Wrestling Inc.
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Post by rowdy1971 on Nov 16, 2020 17:02:18 GMT -5
Isn't Thea Trinidad already with the SAG union since she did that movie "Fighting with my Family"? She had to sign up for it since it is a Hollywood movie. And once she's in, just as long as she pays her dues to the union she's going to continue to be in. That's why a lot of wrestlers want to do something with tv and movies. Hell, I know a guy who did a bit thing with a TV show a few years ago and never did anything else and he's still in the union and even gets to vote for the SAG awards.
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Post by powerfred3k on Nov 16, 2020 17:47:17 GMT -5
I think paige should copy what zelina did if they try to take away her twitch.
She went above and beyond the call of duty for wwe.
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Post by HandsomeHollywood on Nov 16, 2020 18:49:45 GMT -5
WWE should have no jurisdiction if the wrestlers don't use WWE-owned names. If wrestlers use WWE-owned names, WWE is entitled to a piece.
Some of these wrestlers have a lot more passion for streaming than they do wrestling, which is too bad, but expected considering how dreadful wrestling has been the past two years or more.
It sucks for the wrestlers, but losing a side hussle streaming and making tons of money from it isn't exactly what I'd call "heartbreaking".
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Post by Nivro™ on Nov 16, 2020 19:38:47 GMT -5
What I wonder is, Hypothetically lets say WWE is "forced" to change their ways and start offering health care, paying for benefits etc etc...They have like 200 wrestlers on their roster....What keeps them from telling 150 "bye" and running a 50 man roster like they did in the 80s/90s....You push the envelope and you could find yourself unemployed. Sure some of the bigger names may land in the likes of AEW or Impact but these small companies cant sign every one...especially if they to have to start doing the same they will likely start trimming their roster.
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Post by rkmo: 9 Month Warning on Nov 17, 2020 2:24:51 GMT -5
Are they gonna start trying to exercise their no-compete clause to third-party revenue streams as well?
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Nov 17, 2020 9:33:48 GMT -5
What I wonder is, Hypothetically lets say WWE is "forced" to change their ways and start offering health care, paying for benefits etc etc...They have like 200 wrestlers on their roster....What keeps them from telling 150 "bye" and running a 50 man roster like they did in the 80s/90s....You push the envelope and you could find yourself unemployed. Sure some of the bigger names may land in the likes of AEW or Impact but these small companies cant sign every one...especially if they to have to start doing the same they will likely start trimming their roster. Nothing stops them. That’s exactly what they have to do to continue, if they can. Also, we’ll enjoy a list as long as Jericho’s 1004 of banned/unsafe moves to try to prevent injuries. |
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Post by HandsomeHollywood on Nov 17, 2020 9:54:27 GMT -5
What I wonder is, Hypothetically lets say WWE is "forced" to change their ways and start offering health care, paying for benefits etc etc...They have like 200 wrestlers on their roster....What keeps them from telling 150 "bye" and running a 50 man roster like they did in the 80s/90s....You push the envelope and you could find yourself unemployed. Sure some of the bigger names may land in the likes of AEW or Impact but these small companies cant sign every one...especially if they to have to start doing the same they will likely start trimming their roster. I think an important difference to keep in mind is that WWE is sports entertainment, and has been insisting they are not professional wrestling for a few decades now. Other companies, even bigger ones like AEW, still afford their wrestlers the freedoms of being an independent contractor. They're free to work other dates with different companies on off days, for instance. It seems like WWE is the only company that needs a re-classification and they should get one. It's been too long they've been trying to say they aren't wrestling while reaping the benefits of being classified as wrestling. The shoe is about to drop I'd say. |
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Post by kinnikuman on Nov 17, 2020 12:37:24 GMT -5
What I wonder is, Hypothetically lets say WWE is "forced" to change their ways and start offering health care, paying for benefits etc etc...They have like 200 wrestlers on their roster....What keeps them from telling 150 "bye" and running a 50 man roster like they did in the 80s/90s....You push the envelope and you could find yourself unemployed. Sure some of the bigger names may land in the likes of AEW or Impact but these small companies cant sign every one...especially if they to have to start doing the same they will likely start trimming their roster. I think an important difference to keep in mind is that WWE is sports entertainment, and has been insisting they are not professional wrestling for a few decades now. Other companies, even bigger ones like AEW, still afford their wrestlers the freedoms of being an independent contractor. They're free to work other dates with different companies on off days, for instance. It seems like WWE is the only company that needs a re-classification and they should get one. It's been too long they've been trying to say they aren't wrestling while reaping the benefits of being classified as wrestling. The shoe is about to drop I'd say. Yeah, if they want to classify themselves as Entertainment, than they can't stop SAG. |
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Post by bababooey on Nov 17, 2020 13:33:28 GMT -5
I think Zelina will be fine. Even if she leaves wrestling, she has other options like modeling, streaming, and acting. She’s in good with the Rock. Pretty sure he’ll hook her up with stuff. I’m gonna miss her in WWE, but she called their bluff and got fired for it. I respect it, but I think she knew what the end result would be.
As for unionization, I still think the biggest roadblock will always be the division among the talent. I think you’ll find that a lot of the top tier talent are against unionization. The lack of a union kind of keeps their spot protected and allows them to get better deals. If companies are forced to spend more on union talent, the top level guys aren’t gonna be able to negotiate for the same money they can now. Unionization can be good or bad, I’m not really sure in the long run. It seems like in other areas of show business, they’re making it work, but if not at least the majority of talent want it, it’s not gonna happen. For a union to form, it would need support from a lot of top level people. I remember once X-Pac said he just asked a question about unions and no one in the locker room talked to him for a while. A union won’t form if people are afraid to even talk about it.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Nov 17, 2020 17:12:03 GMT -5
What a cool company!
Good for her to stand up for herself. She’ll definitely land on her feet. She was already making more money outside the WwE and she’ll get a deal elsewhere if she wants to continue to wrestle.
Hopefully more wrestlers stand up for themselves and fight for what their rights as “independent contractors”.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Nov 17, 2020 17:14:20 GMT -5
Are they gonna start trying to exercise their no-compete clause to third-party revenue streams as well? That’d be really sh*tty and right on par for WWE. All it would mean is that she wouldn’t get paid for x amount of days after release. They COULD try to take her to court, but I think a lot of powerful people would have her back. |
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Nov 21, 2020 19:12:15 GMT -5
Seems like a risky move to choose Twitch and porn subs over a contract. As time moves on from her being a TV star, the Twitch and porn subscriber numbers are likely to dwindle. Still, she’s rich, and her husband still has his highly-paid job, so she’ll be fine either way. Good for her for betting on herself.
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Post by sonstuds on Nov 21, 2020 21:36:30 GMT -5
Seems like a risky move to choose Twitch and porn subs over a contract. As time moves on from her being a TV star, the Twitch and porn subscriber numbers are likely to dwindle. Never underestimate the ability to make money off other people's thirst. |
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Post by wheeljack83 on Nov 23, 2020 15:15:05 GMT -5
What I wonder is, Hypothetically lets say WWE is "forced" to change their ways and start offering health care, paying for benefits etc etc...They have like 200 wrestlers on their roster....What keeps them from telling 150 "bye" and running a 50 man roster like they did in the 80s/90s....You push the envelope and you could find yourself unemployed. Sure some of the bigger names may land in the likes of AEW or Impact but these small companies cant sign every one...especially if they to have to start doing the same they will likely start trimming their roster. You make it sound like that's not something they do already. Look at all the people they just fired and let go so they could maintain record profits during the pandemic. Look at the people they sign and never use on TV. Andrade? Aleister Black? Nowhere in sight these days. |
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Post by wheeljack83 on Nov 23, 2020 15:16:51 GMT -5
Seems like a risky move to choose Twitch and porn subs over a contract. As time moves on from her being a TV star, the Twitch and porn subscriber numbers are likely to dwindle. Still, she’s rich, and her husband still has his highly-paid job, so she’ll be fine either way. Good for her for betting on herself. Yes because once her non-compete expires it's going to be really hard for her to get booked by other promoters. Yeah absolutely no one is going to sign her or offer her money to be on TV every week. MLW, AEW, and Impact Wrestling all have weekly cable TV shows. ROH has weekly TV. UWN has weekly PPV on FITE. If it's wrestling, she will be able to get work if she wants it. |
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Nov 23, 2020 20:56:56 GMT -5
Seems like a risky move to choose Twitch and porn subs over a contract. As time moves on from her being a TV star, the Twitch and porn subscriber numbers are likely to dwindle. Still, she’s rich, and her husband still has his highly-paid job, so she’ll be fine either way. Good for her for betting on herself. Yes because once her non-compete expires it's going to be really hard for her to get booked by other promoters. Yeah absolutely no one is going to sign her or offer her money to be on TV every week. MLW, AEW, and Impact Wrestling all have weekly cable TV shows. ROH has weekly TV. UWN has weekly PPV on FITE. If it's wrestling, she will be able to get work if she wants it. Who is Impact Wrestling’s highest earner on Twitch? |
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Post by LA Times on Nov 23, 2020 22:43:56 GMT -5
Yes because once her non-compete expires it's going to be really hard for her to get booked by other promoters. Yeah absolutely no one is going to sign her or offer her money to be on TV every week. MLW, AEW, and Impact Wrestling all have weekly cable TV shows. ROH has weekly TV. UWN has weekly PPV on FITE. If it's wrestling, she will be able to get work if she wants it. Who is Impact Wrestling’s highest earner on Twitch? I would say the good brothers or TJP |
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Post by wheeljack83 on Nov 23, 2020 23:01:39 GMT -5
Yes because once her non-compete expires it's going to be really hard for her to get booked by other promoters. Yeah absolutely no one is going to sign her or offer her money to be on TV every week. MLW, AEW, and Impact Wrestling all have weekly cable TV shows. ROH has weekly TV. UWN has weekly PPV on FITE. If it's wrestling, she will be able to get work if she wants it. Who is Impact Wrestling’s highest earner on Twitch? Dunno, I don't check that data. The point is she can still earn money from wrestling and she will have a continual TV online presence. The pro-WWE people make it seem like once they're gone from TV that they're dead and cease to exist and all fans will lose interest in them. Paige hasn't been active on TV at all in a long time, and she's raking it in on Twitch. The key for those online streamers is they have to keep providing engaging content and engaging their user base. CM Punk hasn't set foot in a WWE ring in 7 years and he's still as relevant as ever to the wrestling community. |
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Nov 24, 2020 8:04:55 GMT -5
Who is Impact Wrestling’s highest earner on Twitch? Dunno, I don't check that data. The point is she can still earn money from wrestling and she will have a continual TV online presence. The pro-WWE people make it seem like once they're gone from TV that they're dead and cease to exist and all fans will lose interest in them. That has always been largely the case. RVD, Booker T, Angle, Christian and so on were always meeting fans during their TNA runs who were asking if they’re retired now. Paige and CM Punk were pretty big stars within the wrestling bubble. They were never at the level of Cena, Reigns or the Four Horsewomen in their respective divisions, but they were pretty much as high as you can get below that. Zelina Vega had not reached anywhere near that level yet. Going to one of the lesser wrestling shows — all of which are a subset of WWE’s audience — will not introduce her to any new viewers that have never heard of her before. So her Twitch/softcore porn accounts now have to grow on their own merits rather than relying on getting more wrestling viewers. And particularly within gaming, Zelina was always a highlight on WWE’s very popular UpUpDownDown channel on YouTube, which will no longer be allowed to feature her. So her avenues to reach new subscribers through wrestling are way down. |
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