ℍ𝕒𝕣𝕕 𝕋𝕠 𝕂𝕚𝕝𝕝
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Post by ℍ𝕒𝕣𝕕 𝕋𝕠 𝕂𝕚𝕝𝕝 on Mar 13, 2023 13:42:30 GMT -5
wrestlingnews.co/wwe-news/bray-wyatt-missed-wwe-live-event-at-msgThis story is buzzing on Twitter but I was able to find a report on the Wrestling Observer from Ryan Frederick. Frederick has been shotty on reporting before so I'm waiting for a more reputable report and will update the thread here. Sean Ross Sapp did tweet about it and said his story will be coming soon. Meltzer also spoke on his show about how Bray missed the MSG show but did not speculate on details. It is worth noting that Bray has been absent from TVs lately and most of the build for his WrestleMania feud has only included Uncle Howdy and Bobby Lashley. This seems really odd considering we are building to the biggest show of the year and he has been a pretty prominent talent on TV lately. Bray's last appearance in-person was the February 24th edition of RAW. Bray's recent creative has obviously been a big critique from fans lately. The Mountain Dew Pitch Black match he had at Royal Rumble was a big point of contention, and the handling of his character has been super sporadic. It could just be a coincidence that all this is happening at the same time but that seems unlikely. • Bray hasn't been wrestling much so I don't believe he would miss the MSG show with an injury. • Its a big damn show being at MSG just weeks before WrestleMania. • He was advertised to be at the event and was replaced by Braun Strowman. • He's a character who personally gets a lot of love from fans but specifically WWE's presentation of his character is a hot topic, and Bray has been one to be vocal about bad creative in the past. I believe he sat home for much of late 2018-early 2019 because he was often so combative (rightfully so) about his character's direction. Even if you'd like to refrain from speculating on this story until it gets totally confirmed, what are your thoughts on Bray's character and where its heading?
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Post by Ben - #6 Munchie on Mar 13, 2023 14:28:02 GMT -5
I feel this reeks of Vince being more involved in creative than we've been led to believe officially
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hbkowns
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Post by hbkowns on Mar 13, 2023 14:48:40 GMT -5
Good riddance
With or without Vince involved, Bray Wyatt is not very good and he’s proven that time and time out with so many opportunities. I wanted to give him another chance when he came back, considering it was under Vince’s thumb which ruined his initial run, but mannnnn it’s been even worse. Time for them to cut their losses. The fact that he’s been back for this many months and has had one televised match and a bunch of cringe filled segments has been absolutely hilarious and sad at the same time.
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Thunder Chunky
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Mar 13, 2023 15:11:00 GMT -5
Bray sucks so I'm cool if he's gone.
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Post by Evil Abed on Mar 13, 2023 15:18:50 GMT -5
Knowing that his whole strength is promo and gimmicks its still absolutely bonkers to think he’s wrestled one televised match in 6 months since his return.
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Post by Codyverse: Tag Team Champion on Mar 13, 2023 15:54:33 GMT -5
Lmao
I’m a Bray fan but his creative sucks. When taker “passed the torch” maybe that meant the Santa Claus schedule
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Post by CM Tusk on Mar 13, 2023 16:34:53 GMT -5
Been disproven, he’s sidelined with an injury. He didn’t work MSG and fans over reacted is all.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Mar 13, 2023 17:21:37 GMT -5
Good riddance With or without Vince involved, Bray Wyatt is not very good and he’s proven that time and time out with so many opportunities. I wanted to give him another chance when he came back, considering it was under Vince’s thumb which ruined his initial run, but mannnnn it’s been even worse. Time for them to cut their losses. The fact that he’s been back for this many months and has had one televised match and a bunch of cringe filled segments has been absolutely hilarious and sad at the same time. You really can't blame Wyatt personally for the bookers decisions. Despite how disappointing his return has been its the storywriters who write the shows and they decide what he does. IMO Wyatt is a victim of bad creative. His constant loses ruined The Cult Gimmick, jobbing him to Goldberg and Orton killed The Fiend and current booking is making him a joke. |
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Post by Papi Joker on Mar 13, 2023 17:42:03 GMT -5
Absolutely there has been some bloody stupid creative decisions, but Wyatt has had way to many chances given to him, his ego is his kryptonite.
All you need to do is compare anyone in the last 3 years to Walter - remember how angry we were? but he did the honourable thing and made it work now he will be the next biggest heel!
They say you can measure a man by the way he treats his woman......................
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Post by The American Daydream on Mar 13, 2023 17:52:28 GMT -5
I don't get it. Bray used to be at least fun to watch in the ring. His time with Bryan and the Wyat Family/Shield stuff was all great imo but lately as others have pointed out, it's all promo and no in ring action. Neither him or LA Knight came out of that feud looking better.
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Post by tmnt316 on Mar 13, 2023 18:26:26 GMT -5
Seeing as I've never heard of the guy that initially reported it not shocked that it's been blown our of proportion.
Still think Lashley/Howdy could be likely instead of him just starting up another feud with WM close.
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Post by hitmancmedge on Mar 13, 2023 18:59:06 GMT -5
The dirt sheet reporting has gotten completely out of hand. You now have guys who work for the observer “breaking” stories without absolutely any proof whatsoever. Yes Meltzer and Alvarez run with stories they get from others and parts aren’t true and etc. This guy literally is like “bray is off the shows” “he must be at war with creative.”
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Post by Sizzle on Mar 14, 2023 0:02:20 GMT -5
So the rumor was debunked.
But on the topic of Bray Wyatt more generally, I don't really care for him anymore. When the rumors of his return initially started, I was excited because I feel like he definitely can offer something to a wrestling show, but this run has been pretty bad. I see a lot of people blaming the bookers or creative or whatever but at what point does the blame for the convoluted stories, nonsensical promos, and lackluster in-ring performances get placed on Wyatt? His original run it was definitely an issue of poor booking with him taking loss after loss, but at that point he at least made sense in a wrestling ring. Wyatt is definitely creative, I'll give him that. But a lot of this stuff does not need a wrestling ring nor does it really fit.. I'm of the opinion after so much of it has happened, that Wyatt's lack of direction and creative issues is more on him than anything. He's big into the horror stuff and I find it hard to believe both Triple H and Vince's ideas get in the way of his especially as we see talent is a lot more at ease creatively with Triple H in charge. I don't even think Vince can be blamed for The Fiend's original run at this point considering the Uncle Howdy run is going a similar way.
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Post by Kill Em' All on Mar 14, 2023 0:23:17 GMT -5
Just sick of the character
Always was start-stop and go for him
2014 -2015 gave him way to many defeats in big time matches
The entire fumble of him and orton in WM 33 killed all that got salvaged in late 2016 WWE.
2017-2018 was just forgettable irrelevance
2019 Fiend stuff was alright it breathed a lot of new air until Rollins stuff and Goldberg. And the orton angle ending anti climatic.
I have zero interest in bray Wyatt at this time or Braun Strowman
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Mar 14, 2023 2:06:39 GMT -5
He needs his American Badass reinvention. No more supernatural stuff.
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Post by ¡Twist Of Cinnamon! on Mar 14, 2023 2:08:25 GMT -5
Can he miss more shows?
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Mar 14, 2023 11:55:52 GMT -5
I feel this reeks of Vince being more involved in creative than we've been led to believe officially shut up nerd |
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hbkowns
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Post by hbkowns on Mar 14, 2023 14:04:29 GMT -5
Good riddance With or without Vince involved, Bray Wyatt is not very good and he’s proven that time and time out with so many opportunities. I wanted to give him another chance when he came back, considering it was under Vince’s thumb which ruined his initial run, but mannnnn it’s been even worse. Time for them to cut their losses. The fact that he’s been back for this many months and has had one televised match and a bunch of cringe filled segments has been absolutely hilarious and sad at the same time. You really can't blame Wyatt personally for the bookers decisions. Despite how disappointing his return has been its the storywriters who write the shows and they decide what he does. IMO Wyatt is a victim of bad creative. His constant loses ruined The Cult Gimmick, jobbing him to Goldberg and Orton killed The Fiend and current booking is making him a joke. He has a certain amount of creative liberties to his current character, but to what extent, not sure. Either way, I don’t think he is capable of breaking into that 3rd gear. He still talks in circles and metaphors and hasn’t been able to break that cycle for a decade. Very lackluster in the ring. I don’t know how you can see that character for that long and put all the blame on the company, I’m sure there’s a decent amount of blame on both sides. But there’s talent that has been given less opportunities and made more out of them than Bray Wyatt. |
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Post by finnbalor1 on Mar 14, 2023 18:37:32 GMT -5
The whole White Rabbit stuff was incredible at the beginning and debut was one of my favorites in last 10-20 years but seems like everything has went downhill every since fast.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Mar 14, 2023 19:56:47 GMT -5
You really can't blame Wyatt personally for the bookers decisions. Despite how disappointing his return has been its the storywriters who write the shows and they decide what he does. IMO Wyatt is a victim of bad creative. His constant loses ruined The Cult Gimmick, jobbing him to Goldberg and Orton killed The Fiend and current booking is making him a joke. He has a certain amount of creative liberties to his current character, but to what extent, not sure. Either way, I don’t think he is capable of breaking into that 3rd gear. He still talks in circles and metaphors and hasn’t been able to break that cycle for a decade. Very lackluster in the ring. I don’t know how you can see that character for that long and put all the blame on the company, I’m sure there’s a decent amount of blame on both sides. But there’s talent that has been given less opportunities and made more out of them than Bray Wyatt. I understand what your saying but we need to be honest, if Cult leader Wyatt didn't lose basically every match that character would still be around and possibly a top play. Wyatt created The Fiend and Funhouse stuff and you cannot deny how successful it was with the fans, they ate everything up Wyatt did during that period. Then Vince decides to have him lose two important matches that completely ruined that character. The current storyline is a mystery, maybe Wyatt is on a part time contract or perhaps he is injured or unwell, we don't know but it's sad to see how bad his return has been. It's easy to say that the wrestler holds responsibility for their failure and to be honest they do if they don't try, but in Wyatt's case I feel that for the past decade he has gave his all and got nothing in return. Take Gunther for example, an excellent talent and tremendous worker but Vince was planning to turn him into a jobber before HHH took over. Now had that happened his hard work would come to nothing. He could bust his ass off every week and be made to look like a joke. You could be the best and most entertaining wrestler in the world but bad creative gives you a very low ceiling. |
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