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Post by WalterF on Nov 18, 2007 23:49:30 GMT -5
It was risque of him to do it, but I think it's being over analyzed. It's a submission move, a good one and he used it, that's all.
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Post by Rant Casey on Nov 18, 2007 23:51:32 GMT -5
^ Who knows what Benoit did to his son. The guy was nuts at that time, so he could've done anything, even The Crossface to his own son. I wouldn't rule it out. But anyway, I was shocked when he applied The Crossface to Orton tonight. And I'm sure it WASN'T a tribute to Benoit or anything like that. Why would a christian like Shawn Michaels who happens to have a wife and two kids want to pay tribute to a guy that murdered his wife and son and then hung himself?? I seriously doubt it was a tribute to Benoit at all. Exactly, he probably used it because it is one hell of a submission move and it gets the crowd pumped. |
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Nov 18, 2007 23:57:08 GMT -5
^ Yeah, it is a hell of a submission but it was basically made famous by a guy that murdered his family. I don't know if that was a good thing or a bad thing they let him do that move because the very first thing I thought of when HBK slapped it on was Chris Benoit. And I'm sure that's the LAST thing WWE wants fans to remember at this point.
It was a very risky move on WWE's part to let HBK do that move, but whatever. He did it and there's nothing we can do about it.
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Post by fallenhero on Nov 19, 2007 0:01:16 GMT -5
Except in this case, it was used to murder a 7 year-old child. A punch has killed people. So that's banished in wrestling now? It's not like Benoit invented the move or anything. Bingo. Dean Malenko invented the move. |
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Post by zzeduardozz on Nov 19, 2007 0:39:31 GMT -5
COME ON GUYS i was there and i thought the move was kinda shocking but to think of it its one of the most famous submission moves ever and is a very good finisher, he basically used the 3 most famous submission moves in the wrestling world
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Nov 19, 2007 0:46:22 GMT -5
COME ON GUYS i was there and i thought the move was kinda shocking but to think of it its one of the most famous submission moves ever and is a very good finisher, he basically used the 3 most famous submission moves in the wrestling world Exactly. The Sharpshooter was made famous by Bret Hart. The Ankle-Lock made famous by Kurt Angle and lastly, The Crossface made famous by a murderer, Chris Benoit. |
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Nov 19, 2007 0:54:53 GMT -5
The reason people found it shocking was because it was made famous by Chris Benoit. It has nothing to do with it being a move that existed pre-Benoit, it's just that WWE has been going out of their way to avoid almost everything that resembles Chris Benoit's career and he as a person. HBK doing a move he never does not too long after the Benoit murders was a bit strange to see when WWE are so intent on erasing Benoit's memory. Just like the sharpshooter existed before the Harts, the crossface is associated with Benoit and he's the first guy most people think of, and when WWE keep erasing his memory it is very odd to see it again.
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Post by KAM on Nov 19, 2007 1:01:54 GMT -5
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Post by ericbischoff on Nov 19, 2007 1:14:14 GMT -5
Nothing big deal, That just wrestling move(s).
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Post by xs on Nov 19, 2007 1:22:41 GMT -5
I thought it was awesome. I marked out like anything for it.
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Post by DgenerationX092 on Nov 19, 2007 1:39:07 GMT -5
o shut up people. stop drinking WWE's kool-aid or how theyre never gonna associate themselves with benoit. Eventually, they will again. the Crossface was made famous by benoit, and he might as well have invented it. your a dumbass if you go "how was that associated with benoit?". you know damn well that wether its using the most famous submission moves, or whatever, its a reference to Chris Benoit, and you know it. 10 million jaws hit the floor tonight, and its not because its a damn cool move. Everyones's in shock, because its Beniot's move.
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Post by rkolegendkilla on Nov 19, 2007 1:50:33 GMT -5
Mmmmm..
This WWE kool-aid is delicious.
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Post by Corzaa on Nov 19, 2007 1:52:59 GMT -5
I was just in shock because it was the very LAST thing I would EVER have expected.
Bravo WWE......bravo
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Post by James Hetfield on Nov 19, 2007 3:04:09 GMT -5
COME ON GUYS i was there and i thought the move was kinda shocking but to think of it its one of the most famous submission moves ever and is a very good finisher, he basically used the 3 most famous submission moves in the wrestling world Exactly. The Sharpshooter was made famous by Bret Hart. The Ankle-Lock made famous by Kurt Angle and lastly, The Crossface made famous by a murderer, Chris Benoit. Okay, we get it. He's a murderer. |
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Post by Sandy on Nov 19, 2007 3:17:09 GMT -5
You people are idiots. Seriously. How is Benoit going to do the crossface to his kid? His kid would be to small to do it. A modified version wouldn't even work. The fact that you people spice up the story and say that "the news reported the crossface was used to kill his son" is dumb. The news said a chokehold. The most feasable is obviously a rear-naked choke.
You guys just love finding something to bitch about or say is "controversial". It is a f***ing wrestling move. Get over it.
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Post by HugoOne on Nov 19, 2007 3:17:19 GMT -5
Anyone else think it was just to be controversial? Obviously he chose the Sharpshooter, the Crossface, and the Ankle Lock for a reason instead of the Texas Cloverleaf or anything.
To say it's just a wrestling move is ridiculous because most wrestling fans associate the Crossface with Benoit. It was just for shock and controversy.
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Post by The Boondock Syxx on Nov 19, 2007 3:18:44 GMT -5
beniots son was suffocated and a chokehold could have been as simple as his fingers around his neck it didnt have to be a wrestling manuver if I stangle someone with me hands isnt that choking them with a hold? tabloids said it was a "wrestling move" to generate more buzz
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Post by JCLS on Nov 19, 2007 7:22:08 GMT -5
I think it was a kind of bad choice by HBK
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Post by DC:UK on Nov 19, 2007 7:30:36 GMT -5
The second I saw it happen I knew that when I came onto WF a few hours later there would be a topic against it, and hey, I was right...
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Post by JTG on Nov 19, 2007 7:36:36 GMT -5
HBK pulling out the crossface was definatly surprising. I don't think any of us saw that one coming.
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