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Post by GreatJunta36 on Nov 19, 2007 8:01:48 GMT -5
People saying that the crossface is "just a move" and that it didn't have anything to do with Benoit: Why didn't HBK use anything other than other people's signature moves? He even attempted a Figure Four. Obviously they're nods to their respective "owners". Shawn could have easily used the Texas Cloverleaf, Regal Stretch, Bow & arrow etc etc etc.
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Post by Edge618 on Nov 19, 2007 8:26:25 GMT -5
Its not a big deal at all. Its Pro Wrestling. The cross face is a Pro Wrestling move. See the connection? oh shut up, yes it is a wrestling move, but they blatantly did it to reference Benoit. First he put him in the sharpshooter, then the crossface, then the ankle lock. They were trying to make it look like HBK had to resort to great ring technicians moves to win, its not like he just decided to use them
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Post by Kurt Burton: Script Doctor! on Nov 19, 2007 8:40:18 GMT -5
^ Who knows what Benoit did to his son. The guy was nuts at that time, so he could've done anything, even The Crossface to his own son. I wouldn't rule it out. But anyway, I was shocked when he applied The Crossface to Orton tonight. And I'm sure it WASN'T a tribute to Benoit or anything like that. Why would a christian like Shawn Michaels who happens to have a wife and two kids want to pay tribute to a guy that murdered his wife and son and then hung himself?? I seriously doubt it was a tribute to Benoit at all. Because the guy was a good friend of his, and because Shawn Michaels is Christian, so he can actually turn the other cheek and not pass judgement on people. Seriously, why is everyone still all up in arms over this. We will never know the truth of whether or not Benoit was in control of his actions, so just let it go.
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Post by [MJH] on Nov 19, 2007 9:44:56 GMT -5
Benoit was known for catching someone's arm pulling them down to the ground placing the arm between his legs then applying the crossface if HBK didn't do that then it's just a submission move. The sharpshooter and crossface are both submission moves that were used as finishers even though many other people use them as normal moves, the rock used both sharpshooter and crossface so they were just his submission moves and I suppose the moves shawn used were just his submission moves, look back far enough and he would have used each one of those moves before.
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Post by taker1 on Nov 19, 2007 10:23:15 GMT -5
You guys make it seem like this is some sort of common move or something. It's not. Everybody attributes the Crossface to Benoit. I could only remember the move being used once in the past decade, by Sid Vicious.
It's obviously for Benoit. The ankle lock was for Angle, and the Sharpshooter was for Bret Hart. As someone said, it was to signify that he had to turn to three of the greatest ring technicians ever.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2007 11:30:09 GMT -5
I was laughing, amazing match!
Sharpshooter on the 10 yr anniversary of The Montreal Screwjob Crossface to spit in the face of the 'Benoit never existed' people Anklelock, Remember where Kurt Angle is?
Shawn Michaels is the man, fantastic match!
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Post by ChrisRiddle on Nov 19, 2007 11:40:27 GMT -5
It's just a move. Like the Ankle Lock and The Sharpshooter. Except in this case, it was used to murder a 7 year-old child. Amen!, I was so pissed off when i say that, Even though Shawn is on the top of my favorite wrestler's list, i am so pissed over that
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Post by binnzer317 on Nov 19, 2007 11:48:14 GMT -5
Any one got a link?
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Post by oneil4life on Nov 19, 2007 13:50:05 GMT -5
He obviously knew he was suppose to use it. But yea I thought WWE banned anything related to Benoit? yeah but it was a move that Melako gave to benoit.... Melako still works there.....
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Post by chumped on Nov 19, 2007 13:54:38 GMT -5
Its not a big deal at all. Its Pro Wrestling. The cross face is a Pro Wrestling move. See the connection? oh shut up, yes it is a wrestling move, but they blatantly did it to reference Benoit. First he put him in the sharpshooter, then the crossface, then the ankle lock. They were trying to make it look like HBK had to resort to great ring technicians moves to win, its not like he just decided to use them I never said he didn't do it out of reference to Benoit. I'm saying, its not a big deal, what so ever, to make a thread about it. Not to mention there have been some people say that he shouldn't have used it. Yes it was Benoit's move, but that doesn't mean no one else can use it.
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Post by jyrm on Nov 19, 2007 13:55:36 GMT -5
Who's this Benoit guy, anyway..? Someone pass me some more of that WWE Kool-Aid...
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Post by 11 Bravo on Nov 19, 2007 14:12:10 GMT -5
any screen cap/pic/video?
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Post by Jacob on Nov 19, 2007 14:33:08 GMT -5
It's just a move. Like the Ankle Lock and The Sharpshooter. Except in this case, it was used to murder a 7 year-old child. You can't think like that. The move is a traditional wrestling hold.
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Post by Blackjack on Nov 19, 2007 14:48:06 GMT -5
i was against it
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Post by flying-shorty on Nov 19, 2007 14:54:02 GMT -5
In this case I think he shudnt use it, its not really 'just' a wrestling move like the sharpshooter as very few used it regularly! Why use it? I mean theres so much history surrounding it! At the end of the day theres plenty of other hold he cud use!
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Post by s☠e on Nov 19, 2007 14:57:11 GMT -5
Why can't people just accept that it WAS a reference to Benoit. (Not a tribute, just a refereance.) And that, along with the Sharpshooter, Ankle Lock, and almostttt the Figure-Four Leg Lock, made the match THAT much more awesome.
It was not to 'spit in people's faces'. HBK did not 'wing it' and just randomly use it. He DID NOT use it JUST because of the fact it is a good submission hold.
If anybody actually watches Raw HBK said in his promo that he might even have to win the match by 'Hey! A wrestling move! Or better yet...a submission hold!' So the whole point of the repeated submissions, was to try to win the match obviously, but he's not gonna use a friggin' wrist lock/sleeper/bear hug now is he? No. So he uses iconic maneuvers (sp) and probably wanted to use the Crossface because it is an iconic submission, and it is gonna make fans jaw's drop, which is EXACTLY what he did because there is a 3 page thread on this now!
I don't even know why I'm bothering to explain these painfully obvious points. Well they are to anyone who has a trace of reasoning and sense.
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Post by Patrick Bateman (original) on Nov 19, 2007 15:28:41 GMT -5
^ Who knows what Benoit did to his son. The guy was nuts at that time, so he could've done anything, even The Crossface to his own son. I wouldn't rule it out. But anyway, I was shocked when he applied The Crossface to Orton tonight. And I'm sure it WASN'T a tribute to Benoit or anything like that. Why would a christian like Shawn Michaels who happens to have a wife and two kids want to pay tribute to a guy that murdered his wife and son and then hung himself?? I seriously doubt it was a tribute to Benoit at all. The main thing of being a christian is forgiveness.
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Post by Mr Viper on Nov 19, 2007 15:43:03 GMT -5
You know he didn't use that move by choice, he was told by the booker before the match to use those moves.
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Post by taker1 on Nov 19, 2007 15:54:52 GMT -5
You know he didn't use that move by choice, he was told by the booker before the match to use those moves. We don't know that. It's not like they tell them every move they're going to do. Only the high spots of a match are planned.
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Post by fallenhero on Nov 19, 2007 16:02:36 GMT -5
He obviously knew he was suppose to use it. But yea I thought WWE banned anything related to Benoit? yeah but it was a move that Melako gave to benoit.... Melako still works there..... MALENKO. HIS LAST NAME IS MALENKO.
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