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Post by dakotadave on Feb 23, 2008 3:57:57 GMT -5
This recession may slow down and could put BR under if the recession goes on past the end of the year. There is no reason why BR players should cost $400-$1000. To me Sony and BR are doing some major price gauging!
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Post by Mr. Show on Feb 23, 2008 12:40:51 GMT -5
Moxt of the movies I see are about $30. The difference in quality to me isn't worth the price difference. Movies that are in the 5.00 bin on standard dvd are 30.00 on blu-ray.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2008 12:47:22 GMT -5
get off HD VMD's disk
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Post by Adam on Feb 23, 2008 18:38:56 GMT -5
Wow, you really, really dislike Blu-Ray.
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Post by The Funniest Guy in Pants on Feb 23, 2008 19:14:12 GMT -5
Wow, you really, really dislike Blu-Ray. No, it's not that. I'm actually beginning to think that I have been grossly misinformed. My intent was to bring attention to a product that I thought was better for the consumer, but like I said, I think I may have been wrong about the format war all along. It's kinda hard to sif throught the bullcrap to find the trught though, you know? Every single you read contradicts everything you've read before it, and every "expert" says something that contradicts what every other "expert" says. In short, I think I may have bought into the wrong company's bullcrap.
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Post by GreatJunta36 on Feb 23, 2008 23:42:33 GMT -5
My take on the situation:
HD-DVD SHOULD have won the war. It was cheaper to make, cheaper to buy, and the standards were basically written in stone. Disc capacity may be slightly less on it, but in everyday life it really didn't matter.
Blu-Ray still has a way to go before it's as common as DVDs are today. It's expensive to make (I've heard manufacturers have to pay about $5 per disc!) and obviously the cost is being passed on to us. Their "standards" are all over the board as well. It started off with Blu-Ray Profile 1.0, then 1.1, and now it's 2.0. They still don't know what they want to be, and this scares me as a technophile and I'm sure it means nothing but "I'll wait til it's all done" to Joe Blow down the street.
Most of the world hasn't adopted Hi-definition and they won't for a very long time. There's a mandatory switch to digital signal set for next year and that may jump-start the HD boom but that still doesn't secure Blu-ray's position in my house. The general public just doesn't care enough to invest in the technical aspects associated with "true hi-def". If something comes out that's more accessible (IE: cheap, easy) then it may trump Sony's baby.
And slightly off-topic but still relevant: What are you really going to sell me on Blu-ray? Hollywood's on life support, and it has been for quite some time. I'm all for buying 1080P versions of movies like Star Wars, Metropolis, Back to the Future, etc but at the end of it all it's still a limited list. I'm not going to go out and buy Cabin Fever on Blu-Ray for $40. I won't even buy it for $1. I'm pretty sure most of the world is in the same boat as me in that respect. They're going to walk into Best Buy and look for Good Luck Chuck and see 2 versions. 1 costing $13 and one costing $35. Which one do you think the average person's gonna buy?
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Post by knightpryde on Feb 24, 2008 2:41:59 GMT -5
If I have to rebuy all by DVD's I'm going to be pissed. so I pray to God that Blu-ray does not catch on.
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Post by The Funniest Guy in Pants on Feb 24, 2008 3:26:46 GMT -5
If I have to rebuy all by DVD's I'm going to be pissed. so I pray to God that Blu-ray does not catch on. That's technology. If Blu-Ray doesn't become the new standard, something else will. Everyone had to rebuy all the movies they owned on VHS on DVD. And later on down the road, there will be something else to take the place of that. That's just the way technology works. That's why backwards compatability is so important. I wouldn't worry much though, I don't see standard DVDs going anywhere for a long time.
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Post by Mark on Feb 24, 2008 5:18:49 GMT -5
techonology shouldnt cost that much if half the time that **** dont work
and most of yall have no concept of money and saving money
Ok If I have enough to buy the 35 DVD but I see one thats 13...You think Im gonna buy the 35 dollar dvd? hell no. Its the concept of saving money, bargaining, shopping around for the lowest price.
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Post by James Hetfield on Feb 24, 2008 6:11:24 GMT -5
You can get cheap Blu-Ray movies on eBay. That's where I get all mine from. I havent once spent more than $25 on a movie.
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Post by GreatJunta36 on Feb 24, 2008 9:30:22 GMT -5
You can get cheap Blu-Ray movies on eBay. That's where I get all mine from. I havent once spent more than $25 on a movie. That still seems like having to jump through hoops to get a cheap(ish) movie. Blu-ray isn't going to survive because the format's being sold on ebay. It makes its money from retail shops
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Post by dakotadave on Feb 24, 2008 16:25:56 GMT -5
If I have to rebuy all by DVD's I'm going to be pissed. so I pray to God that Blu-ray does not catch on. That's technology. If Blu-Ray doesn't become the new standard, something else will. Everyone had to rebuy all the movies they owned on VHS on DVD. And later on down the road, there will be something else to take the place of that. That's just the way technology works. That's why backwards compatability is so important. I wouldn't worry much though, I don't see standard DVDs going anywhere for a long time. There are several reasons why I refuse to upgrade to BR now. For one; DVD isnt all that old of technology. It's only been in exsistance for less than 10 years. Thats too soon for replacement. Then it's the practicallity of the replacement. It's not really practical to replace my DVD player and collection for BR which is a NEW tech that isnt even done yet. For as much as it costs to produce and what it costs the consumer; its just not worth it. It think it was quite stupid for Studios to make the decision of what consumers want, and what the consumers have to buy. 1080 isnt common yet. Not everyone who owns a HDTV has a 1080p res. TV. More than 60% of people have 720p. So those people who have the 720p tvs, won't get the effect of BR. I just think HD-DVD, and BR are just products that were brought out too early. DVD will prevail for at least another 5 years, and by that time a new product other than BR will be the new format. BR IS OVER-RATED!!!
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Post by The Funniest Guy in Pants on Feb 24, 2008 20:14:20 GMT -5
That's technology. If Blu-Ray doesn't become the new standard, something else will. Everyone had to rebuy all the movies they owned on VHS on DVD. And later on down the road, there will be something else to take the place of that. That's just the way technology works. That's why backwards compatability is so important. I wouldn't worry much though, I don't see standard DVDs going anywhere for a long time. There are several reasons why I refuse to upgrade to BR now. For one; DVD isnt all that old of technology. It's only been in exsistance for less than 10 years. Thats too soon for replacement. Then it's the practicallity of the replacement. It's not really practical to replace my DVD player and collection for BR which is a NEW tech that isnt even done yet. For as much as it costs to produce and what it costs the consumer; its just not worth it. It think it was quite stupid for Studios to make the decision of what consumers want, and what the consumers have to buy. 1080 isnt common yet. Not everyone who owns a HDTV has a 1080p res. TV. More than 60% of people have 720p. So those people who have the 720p tvs, won't get the effect of BR. I just think HD-DVD, and BR are just products that were brought out too early. DVD will prevail for at least another 5 years, and by that time a new product other than BR will be the new format. BR IS OVER-RATED!!! I agree with most of the things you said. Both HD movie formats came out way too soon. HD isn't anywhere close to being accepting by the America market. Less than 50% of all people have HDTVs (I have no idea where you got 60% from). I think it's around 20-30%, and the vast majority of those aren't 1080p. Not only that, but I'm sure most of them are under 60", which, speaking in HDTV terms, is a waste of money. I'm with you. I'm probably going to stick with standard DVDs with an upconverting DVD player for a few more years. Although, I am considering buying HD-DVD movies because I can get them cheap. I can just get a dual format player later on down the line so I can keep buying new movies.
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Post by addam on Feb 25, 2008 12:13:08 GMT -5
Yes, nothing can stop the public from running out and buying all new Blu-Ray HD formats... except the massive economic recession we are entering. The public just doesn't have the money to run out an buy all new formats. I have said this all along. You will all see. that's what i've been saying too. this is the worst time ever to introduce a new & expensive media format when people are totally fine with the ones they already have. the only people running out & buying them now are just the ones that can't bear not to be the 1st ones to get new electronics. regular dvd's aren't going anywhere for a long while & i wouldn't be surprised if blu-ray dies out before dvd's do. and yes, video game consoles are electronics, but they're electronic toys. their main function is to play games...that makes it a toy, don't kid yourself. most high priced electronics are basically toys since there's no real need for them, people just want them because they want them...just toys for adults that aren't action figures.
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Post by Thick Justice on Feb 25, 2008 18:42:16 GMT -5
Yes, nothing can stop the public from running out and buying all new Blu-Ray HD formats... except the massive economic recession we are entering. The public just doesn't have the money to run out an buy all new formats. I have said this all along. You will all see. that's what i've been saying too. this is the worst time ever to introduce a new & expensive media format when people are totally fine with the ones they already have. the only people running out & buying them now are just the ones that can't bear not to be the 1st ones to get new electronics. regular dvd's aren't going anywhere for a long while & i wouldn't be surprised if blu-ray dies out before dvd's do. and yes, video game consoles are electronics, but they're electronic toys. their main function is to play games...that makes it a toy, don't kid yourself. most high priced electronics are basically toys since there's no real need for them, people just want them because they want them...just toys for adults that aren't action figures. I got to agree. BR is way to expensive. Look how long it took for people to switch from B&W TV to color. However remember when VHS were cheaper than DVD's many people don't recongnise that. Soon They will be $20-$30 for sets and just 10 dollars more for each disc or maybe even julst $5. I do see the discs becoming cheaper to get therefore making it cheaper for us to buy. It'll take almost if not more than 5 years but it will happen. I just wish my family would of got the DVD players when they were $200 than $100. We have about 50 DVDs other than wrestling and over 300 VHS tapes. However before BR becomes the only one such as DVDs put VHS tapes to its grave DVD-Recorders will become way bigger. Since mainly most people just have VCR's and not DVD-Recorders. I do think they will be making machines that have DVD-R's and Blu Ray players. I don't think the average family will have a Hi-Def TV until 2015. They are just way too expensive.
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Post by chumped on Feb 25, 2008 18:51:38 GMT -5
Yes, nothing can stop the public from running out and buying all new Blu-Ray HD formats... except the massive economic recession we are entering. The public just doesn't have the money to run out an buy all new formats. I have said this all along. You will all see. that's what i've been saying too. this is the worst time ever to introduce a new & expensive media format when people are totally fine with the ones they already have. the only people running out & buying them now are just the ones that can't bear not to be the 1st ones to get new electronics. regular dvd's aren't going anywhere for a long while & i wouldn't be surprised if blu-ray dies out before dvd's do. and yes, video game consoles are electronics, but they're electronic toys. their main function is to play games...that makes it a toy, don't kid yourself. most high priced electronics are basically toys since there's no real need for them, people just want them because they want them...just toys for adults that aren't action figures.[/b] No. TV's are not toys. Computers are not toys. Video Games are not toys. DVD players are not toys. Home Theater systems are not toys.
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Post by V V™ on Feb 26, 2008 16:22:58 GMT -5
standard DVD > ALL
and i guarantee itll be alive and well for at least another 10 years.
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Post by dakotadave on Feb 26, 2008 17:41:27 GMT -5
There are several reasons why I refuse to upgrade to BR now. For one; DVD isnt all that old of technology. It's only been in exsistance for less than 10 years. Thats too soon for replacement. Then it's the practicallity of the replacement. It's not really practical to replace my DVD player and collection for BR which is a NEW tech that isnt even done yet. For as much as it costs to produce and what it costs the consumer; its just not worth it. It think it was quite stupid for Studios to make the decision of what consumers want, and what the consumers have to buy. 1080 isnt common yet. Not everyone who owns a HDTV has a 1080p res. TV. More than 60% of people have 720p. So those people who have the 720p tvs, won't get the effect of BR. I just think HD-DVD, and BR are just products that were brought out too early. DVD will prevail for at least another 5 years, and by that time a new product other than BR will be the new format. BR IS OVER-RATED!!! I agree with most of the things you said. Both HD movie formats came out way too soon. HD isn't anywhere close to being accepting by the America market. Less than 50% of all people have HDTVs (I have no idea where you got 60% from) I was meaning the people that already have HDtv's. Out of the people that do HDtv's about 60-70% only have 720p.
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Post by T1 on Feb 26, 2008 17:48:24 GMT -5
that's what i've been saying too. this is the worst time ever to introduce a new & expensive media format when people are totally fine with the ones they already have. the only people running out & buying them now are just the ones that can't bear not to be the 1st ones to get new electronics. regular dvd's aren't going anywhere for a long while & i wouldn't be surprised if blu-ray dies out before dvd's do. and yes, video game consoles are electronics, but they're electronic toys. their main function is to play games...that makes it a toy, don't kid yourself. most high priced electronics are basically toys since there's no real need for them, people just want them because they want them...just toys for adults that aren't action figures.[/b] No. TV's are not toys. Computers are not toys. Video Games are not toys. DVD players are not toys. Home Theater systems are not toys.[/quote] TV's are not toys because their main purpose is to watch entertaining programs. Same with DVD players and home theater systems. Computers are not toys as their main purpose is for work, research, internet, etc. Video game systems ARE TOYS because their main purpose is to PLAY GAMES. Anything you play with is basically a toy. Sure video game consoles these days do a lot of other things, but would people buy them if they didn't play games? No they'd just buy the cheaper DVD/CD player. Video game systems are electronic toys. Why does it bother you guys so much that it's called a toy? There are sex toys, does that mean people are going to not buy them in fear of being called a baby because they're playing with a toy?
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Post by amxfiles on Feb 26, 2008 18:20:38 GMT -5
People are only irritated because he's calling them toys just to get under their skin and stir things up. I honestly could care less as a hardcore gamer. He's just trying to insult. The 360 and Wii are very simply high tech toys.
The PS3 however is closer to a home computer. Much like a home computer it can also play games, and that's it's Trojan horse to get in the home. It's not much of a secret that Sony is using the PS3 to get a firm stranglehold on your living room. They want your TV to be a Sony, they want your media player to be a Sony, they want your CD player to be a Sony. By adding everything they can into a home computer entertainment system, which is it's official title not video game system, they put themselves in your mind. Now when you own one and see a Blu Ray version of a movie, you're tempted. You use it as a web browser, as a DVD player, a Blu Ray player, you watch home movies and photo's and MP3s on it, you can even have it linked up to your PC. That's Sony's TRUE intention with the PS3.
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