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Post by guster on Aug 18, 2021 9:03:35 GMT -5
Summerslam 1988 Ultimate 6-pack.
Hogan, Macho, Liz (I know they already made the Elite), Andre, DiBiase, Virgil. I'm pretty sure all 6 have some kind of deal with WWE presently.
If they could somehow get Ventura, you could even make it a giant 7-pack with really cool packaging.
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Post by guster on Aug 17, 2021 13:37:57 GMT -5
Multiple people can hold trademarks to the same name but have different limitations to what they can use said trademark for. Clark could potentially hold the trademark to name "Adam Bomb", but WWE could (hypothetically) still hold the IP to the specific look and it's specific use in the wrestling sector. I'm not going to pretend I know all the details, rules and regulations to this specific circumstance, so it's really hard to know what's truly going on. It is a minefield and I also really have no idea. I was just thinking back to things like Acclaim Legends of Wrestling game, a lot of "IP" was used in that. Albeit some bits that would be trademarked were changed or removed. I don't really see how the look of Adam Bomb differs from the look of a 1994 Jeff Jarrett. WWF created both characters essentially. WWF created the "Double J" character, but Jarrett wore similar outfits in Memphis prior to and after his WWF run. As long as they don't specifically put "Double J" on the packaging, they should be fine.
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Post by guster on Aug 17, 2021 13:05:19 GMT -5
This caught my eye. I wonder if he knows something we don't? Bryan Clark says he has the trademark for the Adam Bomb name. Don't know why he'd say it and Chella would sell it if it wasn't the case 🤷🏻‍♂️ Multiple people can hold trademarks to the same name but have different limitations to what they can use said trademark for. Clark could potentially hold the trademark to name "Adam Bomb", but WWE could (hypothetically) still hold the IP to the specific look and it's specific use in the wrestling sector. I'm not going to pretend I know all the details, rules and regulations to this specific circumstance, so it's really hard to know what's truly going on.
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Post by guster on Aug 17, 2021 11:36:04 GMT -5
Says Chella and the Adam Bomb deal with his name isn’t going to end well/he wouldn’t touch that one with a 10 foot pole. This caught my eye. I wonder if he knows something we don't?
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Post by guster on Aug 16, 2021 13:45:41 GMT -5
Also as a side note, I’ve seen a TON of people complaining about the logo. I don’t understand this at all. THEY CAN’T USE THE WWF LOGO. Don’t blame Mattel for that, blame the WWE for being the ones who violated the agreement they had. 🤷‍♂️ This actually isn't true. They choose not to use the old WWF block logo for consistency of their brand. WWE was still releasing merch about 10 years ago with the old logo (I bought a block WWF logo t-shirt at Urban Outfitters). They're not allowed to use the term "WWF", but the previous logo is still fair game if they wanted to use it.
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Post by guster on Aug 13, 2021 17:11:32 GMT -5
The ring skirts are at 8k. I don't realistically see things pushing much beyond that. Steve did imply that they might be able to add something if it goes beyond 10k, I believe. But I don't see that being realistic, even with this surge. I suspect a new figure to be announced Monday to entice people who haven’t bought in for Macho to buy in for the final week. Maybe even an extension now that it’s successful. Steve has said point-blank a couple times now neither of those scenarios are happening.
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Post by guster on Aug 13, 2021 15:22:30 GMT -5
I love the imaginations here. It's inspiring. You should have seen some of the questions people were asking during Steve's IG Live last night...
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Post by guster on Aug 13, 2021 13:19:08 GMT -5
Rob and Steve have made the rounds on every single wrestling figure podcast out there and Steve spent over an hour last night showing off the proto and answering any and every possible question regarding the set. To say they haven't promoted this is simply not true. *Mattel* the company, not the design team. Ahhhhh. Yeah, that's a 100% fair criticism.
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Post by guster on Aug 13, 2021 13:11:13 GMT -5
Kinda messed up Mattel Creations hasn't promoted this thing at all since its launch outside of the Macho announcement. Even today on one of the biggest days of the project they've said nothing. I know the marketing budget took a hit but you'd think Mattel themselves could make a tweet or Instagram post about their own projects. Rob and Steve have made the rounds on every single wrestling figure podcast out there and Steve spent over an hour last night showing off the proto and answering any and every possible question regarding the set. To say they haven't promoted this is simply not true.
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Post by guster on Aug 13, 2021 12:32:23 GMT -5
Anyone else expecting a big jump right before 5,000 from people that want to claim they were the 5,000th backer that put this over the top?
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Post by guster on Aug 13, 2021 10:57:40 GMT -5
Once this gets to around 4,600 or so, I expect it to fly past 5,000 really quickly.
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Post by guster on Aug 12, 2021 17:10:28 GMT -5
Does anyone know when he wore the WMX attire while doing commentary? I don't have exact dates, but it was on early 1993 Monday Night Raws.
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Post by guster on Aug 12, 2021 13:37:35 GMT -5
I think if they were to extend macho it should be to the first 5000 backers. That would be fair. first 5k only. I think this would be the right play for Mattel.
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Post by guster on Aug 12, 2021 13:36:12 GMT -5
There’s no doubt in my mind that the early bird gets extended to the first 5000 backers. I wouldn’t bank on it and order by Friday but with the momentum it’s gotten the last couple days they’re gonna wanna keep it going. Can you imagine how salty some people will be if they extend macho? They can be salty all they want, but I don't see this making it to 5K unless it either a) hits 5K before the early bird is up or b) they decide to extend the early bird until the 22nd. This thing definitely has momentum and I think there's an outside chance it could hit the 5K before tomorrow night.
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Post by guster on Aug 11, 2021 13:08:47 GMT -5
White Castle is probably one of the most polarizing fast-food joints from my experience. You either love it or hate it. There never seems to be much middle ground. I personally LOVE White Castle. But part of that is I live in an area of the country that doesn't have them. So for me, it's more of a novelty from my childhood that I get 2-3 times a year traveling. I'm not sure how much I would really get it if there was one in close proximity to me.
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Post by guster on Aug 10, 2021 16:51:39 GMT -5
He’s talking about Mattel’s first scale ring. It ended up at Big Lots for half the price. But a year or two later when the scale rings were no longer at stores, the price skyrocketed on the secondary market. They were selling for crazy markup. I remember because that’s when I got into collecting and the cheapest one I found was $300. I bought it, which was dumb because they suddenly re-released a bunch a year later, but I didn’t know that because the stock was so rare when I started looking. These rings are going to be valuable to people who either weren’t able to get one at the time, weren’t collecting at the time, or didn’t know about it at the time. Its also happened with a few of the early Defining Moments figures. I remember that the price point was too high at the beginning of Mattel's run and a lot of Big Lots were flooded with figures like Defining Moments Stone Cold, Shawn Michaels, Ultimate Warrior, Triple H and Bret Hart. I also remember all of the first Legends series showing up at places like Gordmans and TJ Maxx for $10 each. They always had the Road Warriors, Rick Martel, and Akeem sitting around because retail stores couldn't sell them. Imagine being someone who scored all of those for $15 and you had them today to resell. People skipped them in 2010, 2011 or 2012 for 50% retail price, and now they're willing to pay $150+ per figure. It always happens with the figures and lines that are more directed towards adult collectors. There really is no reason why this set would be any different, in my opinion. Its $250 now and people are thinking that its not worth it, its too expensive, they can't afford it right now, or they don't really need it. A lot of people who skip out on this item now are doing to want at least one item from this set. If someone buys an extra and just keeps it pristine for a few years, there's a big chance that you can resell the Macho Man for $150, with the stage and the Diesel not far behind. I do understand the hesitation for the secondary market price of the ring. Its a ring. But, that doesn't mean it won't be worthless. Especially if you are patient and sit it out for awhile, you'll have a mint collector's item that will mean a lot to somebody. Those cardboard RAW & Smackdown stages that Ringside had a few years ago were on sale often for just over $10. Now I see them sell for $80. Random ring skirts for the ESR were $5.99 and now I see the ECW or Nitro ones for $50+ on eBay. Its going to happen. There is no question about it. I don't collect as an investment to re-sell so I'm not sure why everyone is trying to push that narrative like it's relevant to everyone in this thread as if that's going to be what changes people's minds. Especially when these things sometimes take years to reach their potential value. I'm talking about NOW. I'm talking about people who want to back this for a few items and trying to sell to recoup NOW. If someone buys 1K and floods the market with 1K of product that otherwise wouldn't have been bought, this could potentially alienate the people from who did pledge, from pledging from future projects. I don't care about 2-3 years from now. That's not relevant to the future success of other kickstarters. Especially if these would regularly need to be bought up by a big investor just inch by the minimum number of backers.
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Post by guster on Aug 10, 2021 14:09:51 GMT -5
Not in this scenario people keep proposing - if a 3rd party bought 1,000 of these to reach the 5K, that's 1,000 units that would have previously went unsold to actual buyers. If people weren't willing to buy those last 1K to get to 5K, what makes you think they'll all of the sudden want it after the fact? Dude where are you coming up with this logic? There have been COUNTLESS figures and playsets from a multitude of different companies that didn’t sell initially and in some cases made it to Big Lots, and then skyrocketed as soon as they weren’t widely available anymore. What on earth makes you think this would be any different? The Ultimate line is on fire right now and the resale value for most of them turns insane within the same calendar year. If this somehow gets funded, the Ultimates alone (not even including Doink btw) will cover the buy in on this whole set before you know it. I love you. What you're comparing and what I'm talking about aren't the same thing. It's an apples and oranges comparison. I'm talking about a $250 set with multiple pieces and you're trying to compare that to a $10 Elite at Big Lots from 3-4 years ago before there was a huge collector's boom. You're cherry picking specifically the Ultimates to make a theoretical point and completely neglecting the ring and entrance stage that are also part of this package. My original point: If they're are roughly around 4K who back this, and some 3rd party comes in backs the remaining 1K with the idea of the breaking up the set to sell the pieces individually, that would screw a bunch of people who may have backed this with the idea of selling the ring or entrance to offset costs. If a 3rd party buys 1K - the set IS NOT SOLD OUT. If something isn't sold out, the value inherently isn't there. And let's be real, nobody in this thread has said they are specifically buying this just for the ring. It's the least desired item of the set and is what's dragging this down from succeeding.
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Post by guster on Aug 10, 2021 13:02:23 GMT -5
Not in this scenario people keep proposing - if a 3rd party bought 1,000 of these to reach the 5K, that's 1,000 units that would have previously went unsold to actual buyers. If people weren't willing to buy those last 1K to get to 5K, what makes you think they'll all of the sudden want it after the fact? Same reason why as soon as ringside exclusives are no longer in stock they skyrocket in eBay. Everyone had an opportunity to buy them for cost on RSC, but that doesn’t stop them paying a colossal amount more on eBay. 5000 is nothing. As soon as these Machos are in hand and on eBay people are going to go crazy for them in particular. Mail away Hasbro level. When RSC exclusives sell out, a 3rd party isn't sitting on an extra 1K units.
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Post by guster on Aug 10, 2021 11:55:13 GMT -5
If Ringside or any other site buys large quantities, that's going to alienate ALOT of people who bought this for only a few pieces and were planning on selling the stuff they didn't want to recoup some of their investment. The secondary market will be flooded. It’s pretty much impossible to flood the secondary market with items that are so ridiculously limited. Not in this scenario people keep proposing - if a 3rd party bought 1,000 of these to reach the 5K, that's 1,000 units that would have previously went unsold to actual buyers. If people weren't willing to buy those last 1K to get to 5K, what makes you think they'll all of the sudden want it after the fact?
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Post by guster on Aug 10, 2021 11:08:01 GMT -5
If Ringside or any other site buys large quantities, that's going to alienate ALOT of people who bought this for only a few pieces and were planning on selling the stuff they didn't want to recoup some of their investment. The secondary market will be flooded.
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