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Post by spawnsyxx9 on Nov 29, 2008 16:38:21 GMT -5
– Dana White was on Sportsnet in Canada and said that he’d gotten preliminary buyrate numbers for UFC 91. He wouldn’t reveal the numbers, but did say they were very close to projections. He obviously isn’t talking about the 1.2 million number they tossed to the media in the weeks leading up to the fight, but rather internal company projections. It appears that the show likely did somewhere between 700,000 and 800,000 buys, which obviously is a big deal with the economy the way it is.
– Randy Couture’s likely next fight will be against Chuck Liddell. The Anderson Silva/Liddell fight has not been finalized and in fact negotiations haven’t even gotten to the contract stage yet. There is a feeling that since Liddell/Couture would be far bigger than Liddell/Silva, that the company might as well do it since they truly want to give Randy the biggest fights they possibly can in exchange for him returning to the company. They also want to keep him in the heavyweight title picture and a win over Liddell would likely earn him an immediate shot against the winner of the heavyweight tournament. A Couture/Lesnar rematch would do massive business, even more than the first fight, because the money is always in the chase. Liddell will likely move to heavyweight and if he beats Couture, it sets up what would easily be the biggest fight in MMA history with Liddell vs. Lesnar. That’s if Lesnar gets by Nogeuira or Mir, which is a big if at this point.
– Unless something drastic happens, Dan Henderson will coach the United States team against Michael Bisping’s United Kingdom team in the next season of The Ultimate Fighter. Rich Franklin doesn’t want to coach because he’d have to cut to middleweight again, and he’s spent several months trying to bulk up to 220 in order to be competitive at light heavyweight. Demian Maia was considered for the coaching position, but the company (rightly) felt it would be silly to have a foreign guy coaching the United States team. If Bisping beats Henderson and Anderson Silva is still in the middleweight division, the company will likely book a soccer stadium for Bisping vs. Silva.
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Post by Ian from 616Entertainment. on Nov 29, 2008 17:21:02 GMT -5
My favorite fighters, #1 and #2 respectively, are Randy Couture and Chuck Liddell. That being said, I will be pissed if they fight eachother again. Not because one has to lose, but because its completely god damn senseless. In fighting, there are trilogies. Thats how you find out who is better than who. It's 2-1 Liddell, thats it. Chuck wins. We don't need another god damn rematch. If Randy wins, then its 2-2. Then what, Couture/Liddell V to figure out who's REALLY REALLY REALLY the best?  off. |
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Post by Sandy on Nov 29, 2008 19:06:59 GMT -5
I said the same thing that it was senseless. But Chuck and Randy (two of the UFC's biggest attractions) are stuck in limbo. Randy asking for the number 1 heavyweight in the world in Fedor and he loses a fight to a guy who has 4 pro fights under his belt...granted that guy is a monster who is out to prove that "fake wrestling" did nothing but prepare his transition to MMA. But it still looks bad for Randy because where does he go from here?
Chuck has lost what? 3 of his 4 last fights. Two of those losses were by knockout. Usually that would equal termination in Dana Whites eyes..but since this is Danas boy he has to try and still milk this cow until it is chalk-dry.
So how does he do that? Chuck vs. Randy IV. The hardcore fans say that is dumb. But I guarantee it would be the biggest fight in UFC history because the casual fans don't care that Liddell has KO'd Randy two times out of the three times they met...they just love seeing these two fight..so what better than to see these two fight each other for a 4th time.
I'm all for it. Because I don't see anyone taking Brock out in the HW division. Everyone says Nog will, I don't think he will. I think Nog is an amazing fighter but looks nothing like how he looked in Pride. Mir is a piece of sh** and I hope Nog beats the crap out of him so he can get far far away from the title picture. The only ones who have a chance I think is Randy in a rematch and Chuck. People think Chuck would get rocked in a fight with Lesnar but for some reason I think he would do really well in the HW division.
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Post by PdW2kX on Nov 29, 2008 19:17:25 GMT -5
If Rashad Evans can produce a knockout so heinous that people were seriously questioning whether or not Lidell crapped himself after being KO'd, then I shudder to think what Brock's 4XL mits could do if he lands a money shot. Perhaps Lidell would simply spontaneously explode.
Randy/Lidell is the best and worst of matchups for both. On the one hand, it'll attract plenty of buys and keep both men in the spotlight. On the other hand, it's painfully evident that both men are nearing the twilight of their careers. Another Randy/Chuck would only prove that both are clutching at straws as they try to remain at the top of the cards.
And if Randy/Lesnar ended up not being the "Biggest Fight in UFC History", then Brock going against a Chuck Lidell that will be 2-3 if he beats Randy won't fit the bill either.
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Post by James Hetfield on Nov 29, 2008 19:53:09 GMT -5
Everything sounds good to me.
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Post by Sandy on Nov 29, 2008 19:58:20 GMT -5
if that is true the question is who fights Brock Lesnar?
Kongo?-Once he gets on his back Lesnar would destroy him.
Mir?-Would've got TKO'd if it wasn't for the stoppage without a warning.
Cain Velasquez?- This is the competition? The rising star of the UFC?
Nog?- Herring almost knocked him out. I am pretty sure Lesnar could do the same.
So I think the UFC desperately needs the aging Chuck Liddell and Randy Couture in the HW division. That is without a doubt the UFC's weakest division.
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Post by Ian from 616Entertainment. on Nov 29, 2008 20:10:23 GMT -5
if that is true the question is who fights Brock Lesnar? Kongo?-Once he gets on his back Lesnar would destroy him. Mir?-Would've got TKO'd if it wasn't for the stoppage without a warning. Cain Velasquez?- This is the competition? The rising star of the UFC? Nog?- Herring almost knocked him out. I am pretty sure Lesnar could do the same. So I think the UFC desperately needs the aging Chuck Liddell and Randy Couture in the HW division. That is without a doubt the UFC's weakest division. Shane Carwin. |
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Post by spawnsyxx9 on Nov 29, 2008 21:48:09 GMT -5
if that is true the question is who fights Brock Lesnar? Kongo?-Once he gets on his back Lesnar would destroy him. Mir?-Would've got TKO'd if it wasn't for the stoppage without a warning. Cain Velasquez?- This is the competition? The rising star of the UFC? Nog?- Herring almost knocked him out. I am pretty sure Lesnar could do the same. So I think the UFC desperately needs the aging Chuck Liddell and Randy Couture in the HW division. That is without a doubt the UFC's weakest division. I am pretty sure that Nog could take Lesnar on due to Lesnar being really weak in his jujitsu. Nog will beat Mir and I am pretty sure that the winner of that match gets the next title shot. |
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Post by NYdream™ on Nov 30, 2008 1:01:17 GMT -5
if that is true the question is who fights Brock Lesnar? Kongo?-Once he gets on his back Lesnar would destroy him. Mir?-Would've got TKO'd if it wasn't for the stoppage without a warning. Cain Velasquez?- This is the competition? The rising star of the UFC? Nog?- Herring almost knocked him out. I am pretty sure Lesnar could do the same. So I think the UFC desperately needs the aging Chuck Liddell and Randy Couture in the HW division. That is without a doubt the UFC's weakest division. I am pretty sure that Nog could take Lesnar on due to Lesnar being really weak in his jujitsu. Nog will beat Mir and I am pretty sure that the winner of that match gets the next title shot. what do you mean next title shot... they do. they have to unify the belts. ur forgetting Nog ids the interim champ...  |
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Post by Sandy on Nov 30, 2008 15:45:36 GMT -5
if that is true the question is who fights Brock Lesnar? Kongo?-Once he gets on his back Lesnar would destroy him. Mir?-Would've got TKO'd if it wasn't for the stoppage without a warning. Cain Velasquez?- This is the competition? The rising star of the UFC? Nog?- Herring almost knocked him out. I am pretty sure Lesnar could do the same. So I think the UFC desperately needs the aging Chuck Liddell and Randy Couture in the HW division. That is without a doubt the UFC's weakest division. I am pretty sure that Nog could take Lesnar on due to Lesnar being really weak in his jujitsu. Nog will beat Mir and I am pretty sure that the winner of that match gets the next title shot. we will see. I am calling Nog to win against Mir(rather easily might I add)..and then it will setup Nog vs Lesnar in which Lesnar will TKO Nog. I don't see him making the same mistake he made against Mir. Lesnar has great control and even though Nog is a warrior and has a huge heart Lesnar will win. I hate to sound like I am a big fan of Lesnar because I am not. I think the guy is a great fighter and everything but the biggest advantage he has basically over everyone in the HW division in the UFC is his size, strength, and speed..nobody can match all three of those with him. |
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Post by Mr. Orange on Nov 30, 2008 16:36:21 GMT -5
Nog will beat Lesnar no doubt. He's fought much bigger fighters than Lesnar has(and won), he has a ton of experience and heart, and he ALWAYS finds a way to win. It only takes 10 seconds on the ground for Nog to win, just look at his fight with Timbo. He can take an ass kicking and win.
Look at his fight with Bob Sapp(who I believe is larger than Brock). He was getting the crap beat out of him and he subbed him. The same will happen to Brock
Couture/Liddell is pointless at light heavyweight. BUT, it is more interesting now at heavyweight(Randy's looked good there) and given Liddell's recent showings, I wouldn't rule out a Couture win here.
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Post by shenmue on Dec 2, 2008 9:51:06 GMT -5
I agree that Nog beats Lesnar (I wouldn't put money on it though) but Sapp is nowhere near as good a wrestler or fighter that Lesnar is IMO.
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Post by Kliquid on Dec 2, 2008 11:07:34 GMT -5
Look at his fight with Bob Sapp(who I believe is larger than Brock). He was getting the **** beat out of him and he subbed him. The same will happen to Brock Are yoU REALLY comparing Bob Sapp to Brock Lesnar? ... God damn it. |
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Post by PdW2kX on Dec 2, 2008 11:40:45 GMT -5
Poor Kliq is reaching Kyle-dealing-with-Cartman levels of frustration when it comes to Brocky.
That said, I think Lesnar/Nog has a lot of potential to be an unpredictable fight. Lesnar's submission resistance hasn't really been tested since the Mir fight, so it's unknown how much it's developed. Nog has made a career with the dramatic comeback win, but Brock's blitzkrieg-onslaught of a GNP game may be too much for him.
I can see it going either way honestly, so I'm adopting a "wait and see" policy.
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Post by Kliquid on Dec 2, 2008 12:45:43 GMT -5
I'm not even saying Brock Lesnar would beat Nog... I just think it's preposterous to compare BOB FREAKIN SAPP to him.
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Post by DWright on Dec 2, 2008 14:43:47 GMT -5
I'm not even saying Brock Lesnar would beat Nog... I just think it's preposterous to compare BOB FREAKIN SAPP to him. Haha, I feel your frustration. Bob Sapp, a mediocre at best K-1 fighter that only has kick boxing skills (and limited at that), compared to Lesnar, who's one of the best pure wrestlers in the world of MMA. Comparing Bob Sapp to Lesnar is like comparing Kimbo to Lesnar...pointless. |
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Post by spawnsyxx9 on Dec 2, 2008 15:41:42 GMT -5
I am actually wondering if this is the best selling UFC PPV.
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Post by [x] TEXACIDE [x] on Dec 2, 2008 15:46:20 GMT -5
Chuck Liddell at heavyweight?! Woah.
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Post by Patrick Bateman (original) on Dec 2, 2008 16:23:22 GMT -5
I am actually wondering if this is the best selling UFC PPV. Wasn't Liddell vs. Tito bigger? or Hughes vs. Gracie? Anyway I said in the begining I think Nog is a better match up for Lesnar that Couture was. Nog is alot bigger than Couture. Couture is naturally around 207. But bumps weight up to 220. Lesnar weighs 285 and cuts to 265. Nog weighs a legit 240. And Nogs ground game is amazing. Also I hear people talking about Lesnars KO power. The fact is he has alot of power BUT I believe his fist are to big. Instead of one impact point (which KO's you out) his 4XL fist are more of a face crusher. That's why it took a shot behind Randy's ear to put him on his ass. Sure he could KO a guy but it will be alot harder because his point of impact is much bigger. Sounds weird I know but it is common science. |
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Post by Mr. Orange on Dec 2, 2008 16:36:20 GMT -5
I compared Brock to Sapp for one reason: THEIR SIZE. That's it. I said that he's fought someone of Brock's SIZE before and beat him.
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