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Post by axemurderer on Dec 28, 2008 10:02:14 GMT -5
Alright folks lets see what you think about the upcoming unification bout.
After last night, I think Mirs comeback is in full effect and the man is a monster..he DESTROYED Nog when most people didnt give him a chance. there were a few (like myself) who thought Big Nog was just going to be too much for him. After watching last night..Mir is scary, and I dont think that Lesnar can beat him..his standup was INCREDIBLE last night..and he is still a psycho on the mat..I dont see Lesnar having a fun night.
my vote goes to Mir by tapout.
now lets see those Lesnar is god responses of "Lesnar KO rd1 Mir dont have a chance" that Lesnar lovers like to type without rhyme or reason.
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Post by tnafan17: The Total Package on Dec 28, 2008 11:14:05 GMT -5
You know I'm going to say Lesnar in this one....not just cause I'm a huge fan, but I think it deals more or less that he is coming for Mir this time. I mean don't get me wrong Mir is definitely proving critics wrong and he has already done it against Lesnar once. I think this time it goes three rounds. Not going to make the call of what I think will happen just yet but I think Lesnar will win.
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Post by saveus1 on Dec 28, 2008 11:44:56 GMT -5
Well I think Brock but if Mir can get brock down on the ground then I would say Mir would win. You can tell Mir really wants to fight Brock and I think Brock is happy as well because he was smiling alot when Mir started pointing at Brock at the end of the fight. It should be a good fight,cant wait.
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Post by PrideFcF on Dec 28, 2008 12:24:42 GMT -5
The biggest key here will be how much Mir can manage to counter Lesnars freakish strength. Mir admitted that Lesnar overpowered him with incredible ease, so I'd imagine he's hitting the weights a bit more to get at least some resistance against the man.
I really don't care to pick fights. I mainly just love to sit back and watch the events unfold as they do. This should be a great match that could set a fantastic tone for the slowly uprising HW division.
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Post by ajstyles888 on Dec 28, 2008 13:41:17 GMT -5
I hope Mir, I don't like Lesnar.
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Post by DWright on Dec 28, 2008 14:14:27 GMT -5
Alright folks lets see what you think about the upcoming unification bout. After last night, I think Mirs comeback is in full effect and the man is a monster..he DESTROYED Nog when most people didnt give him a chance. there were a few (like myself) who thought Big Nog was just going to be too much for him. After watching last night..Mir is scary, and I dont think that Lesnar can beat him..his standup was INCREDIBLE last night..and he is still a psycho on the mat..I dont see Lesnar having a fun night. my vote goes to Mir by tapout. now lets see those Lesnar is god responses of "Lesnar KO rd1 Mir dont have a chance" that Lesnar lovers like to type without rhyme or reason. So you make a poll to find out peoples opinions on who will win in a fight. Before anyone can give their opinion, you already bash peoples opinions? Haha. I think the "rhyme or reason" would be the fact that Lesnar dominated Heath Herring and knocked out Randy Couture...
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Post by Mr. Orange on Dec 28, 2008 14:26:16 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't know. I don't think Mir will want to stand up with him for long, even though he showed improved standup, because of Brock's power. If its on the ground, Mir. If it's on the feet, Brock. I guess it'll go to whoever can put the fight wherever they want it. My gut is saying Brock will pull it out, but my head says that Mir can sub him again. It'll take him longer, but he can do it.
But I learned last night not to trust my head, so I'll go with Brock.
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Post by moogie101 on Dec 28, 2008 14:56:30 GMT -5
Well if you check the "no editing" thread I called for Mir to beat Nog (Also called Forest & Rampage but quickly glossing over that!) so I'm backing Mir again. Said it before & saying it again, for all Brock's strength he's still inexperienced at MMA & submissions are his kryptonite. Mir wins in similar fashion to first fight
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Post by axemurderer on Dec 28, 2008 15:45:40 GMT -5
I think the "rhyme or reason" would be the fact that Lesnar dominated Heath Herring and knocked out Randy Couture... Herring--over rated by yourself--junk fighter with a name so what he won 28 fights..against cans like himself. all his big name fights that he was in, he lost. plain and simple, meaningful fights against top tier competition he has LOST. Just because you are in there with top tier fighters doesnt make you good until you beat some of those. Lesnar-Lost Noguiera-Lost Noguiera-Lost again Cro Cop-Lost Fedor-Lost Noguiera-Lost for a 3rd time Vitor Belfort-Lost he has beat Cheick Kongo and Brad Imes and you wanna praise the guy ? be serious for a moment here and stop trying to talk up Lesnar..Herring is a JOKE who cant produce against elite competition. he was a tune up fight for Lesnar. Why do you think he is so good ? he will most be known for getting kissed by a dude and knocking him out before the fight..and for getting murdered by Lesnar. Couture--no fights in over a year-- almost 50 yrs old gimme a prime Couture that is 30, and you have Brock packing his bags and going fishing. really like I said before..not impressed with his wins. but way to contribute to the poll or to the upcoming fight troll..how bout lets talk about this fight and not things of the past. Well I think Brock but if Mir can get brock down on the ground . after what we saw last night I dont think that his only way to win is to bring Lesnar down..he beat the piss out of someone whos never been KO'd and beat him senseless...I think Mir is bringing full game here. Double threat.
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Post by DWright on Dec 28, 2008 15:58:25 GMT -5
Me, and anyone that ranks professional MMA fighters across the world. I didn't pull "top 10-15 HW" out of my ass. In fact, after he beat Kongo, many put him on the cusp of top 10. Some even AT number 10.
The same Randy Couture that everyone wanted to fight Fedor ASAP? He's 45 and in GREAT shape. Why not just say "He's almost 60" to take even more away from the win.
Really? You can make that prediction all you want, but you'll never see it. Pointless, as you can't back it up at all.
You're one of the few. Winning the UFC HW title within the first 4 fights of a career is pretty impressive. Knocking out a guy that was considered one of the top HW's in the world, and one of the best fighters in the world, is pretty impressive. Especially considering everyone said Brock has no stand up game at all.
You went from saying all Brock can do is lay on someone. Brock knocks out Randy Couture and now it's ... "WELL HE'S OLD!" All you do is come up with awful excuses. Every basis for your debate is either an excuse, or you avoiding the facts (or just making stuff up)
I gave "Rhyme and Reason."
As for the fight, I see Brock keeping the fight standing, and for basically as long as he wants. Brock has a great wrestling background and a great sprawl. He's VERY hard to take down. The more Mir shoots to take him down, the more he empties that already small gas tank he has. Frank Mir is the H2 of the MMA world. IF Lesnar takes him down, he'll look to quickly ground and pound and control the fight without getting inside Mir's guard. I don't know that Mir attempts an arm bar, as his arms are just so big. Mir may try for the ankle again or maybe even a guillotine, but with the lack of Lesnar's neck and pure strength, he may be able to get out of those (especially early, if he doesn't use too much of his energy) and especially late (if they're incredibly sweaty and he's had time to rest a bit)
I'm saying Lesnar by 2nd round TKO.
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Post by axemurderer on Dec 28, 2008 16:08:38 GMT -5
yeah im not impressed with a win over a nobody and a old man....ill give him credit if he can beat Mir.....big IF
and Herring is still a joke.
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Post by PdW2kX on Dec 28, 2008 16:29:41 GMT -5
I'll be pulling for Mir, honestly. And I think he has a good shot of winning it.
Brock's submission defense post-Mir is still untested. Mir's standup isn't. Brock is progressing by leaps and bounds, but the Mir comeback is in full effect. If Mir can beat Nog after admitting that he was the most scared he's even been in the Octagon going into that fight, the epic confidence boost that followed should be more than enough to erase the memory of Brock nearly TKO'ing him.
IMO, I see this thing going for just a bit of a while. Lesnar will learn to stuff takedowns and avoid subs, Mir will learn to avoid Lesnar's reach and power.
I'm thinking that Mir will score a RNC in the middle of Round 3. Eventually Brock will find himself in the middle of the ring in guard, try to throw some up-punches, get caught up in an exchange, and Mir will capitalize and move to mount. Lesnar's bucking bronco self will go into overdrive, but Mir will manage to hang on and secure backmount. From there it's RNC and victory.
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Post by axemurderer on Dec 28, 2008 16:54:01 GMT -5
thats probably the most likely scenario there..
I think it will happen a little sooner though..like middle of 2nd round
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Dec 28, 2008 17:18:31 GMT -5
Just as long as Steve Mazzagatti isn't the referee, Brock should win this time around.
I mean, it can be argued that Mazzagatti saved Mir in the first fight by breaking them apart. If he didn't do that, then Brock would've won by ground and pound because Mir wasn't doing anything but eating Brock's hammer-fists.
Mir did look great against Nogueira last night, but that was against Nogueira. That wasn't Brock. Brock will bring a whole nother level of intensity and power than Nogueira. Brock is much bigger, faster, stronger and younger than Nogueira.
Frank Mir better not take Brock lightly in their 2nd fight. Just because he beat him once, doesn't mean he'll beat him again.
There's no question that Brock has definitely improved and will prove to be much tougher than last time.
I think Brock will win by either knock-out or vicious ground and pound hammer-fists. Just don't let Steve Mazzagatti be the referee, that's all.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Dec 28, 2008 17:29:33 GMT -5
Before Mir dissappeared from UFC a couple years back......he was on his way to being one of the best fighters. Its been a long trek back.......but this will be his crowning moment. Lesnar shocked Couture, a man who is almost twice his age........he wont do it to Mir. Mir is not over confident......he is just stating the obvious.
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Post by axemurderer on Dec 28, 2008 18:00:57 GMT -5
Before Mir dissappeared from UFC a couple years back......he was on his way to being one of the best fighters. Its been a long trek back.......but this will be his crowning moment. Lesnar shocked Couture, a man who is almost twice his age........he wont do it to Mir. Mir is not over confident......he is just stating the obvious. put perfectly
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Post by shenmue on Dec 28, 2008 19:57:09 GMT -5
Both guys know they can beat each other (Well Brock think he had the 1st fight won) so its an interesting fight and im really excited about it.
Heart says Lesnar by Knockout but my head says Mir by Submission. One thing is for sure though Lesnar won't rush in like he did in the first fight he knows he has 25 mins to win the fight, Lesnar will respect Mir's submission skills and will try to keep this on the feet.
Even if it goes to the ground, with Lesnar's wrestling and strength he could do a similar job to what he did to Herring but i doubt it.
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Post by NYdream™ on Dec 28, 2008 22:10:20 GMT -5
Heath Herring has beaten a notable opponent! He beat Evan Tanner!! lol Im being sarcastic. He did beat Tanner but that was like 11 years ago...
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Post by axemurderer on Dec 28, 2008 22:29:04 GMT -5
Heath Herring has beaten a notable opponent! He beat Evan Tanner!! lol Im being sarcastic. He did beat Tanner but that was like 11 years ago... he lost to Evan Tanner as well ... oh Herring losing ?? yup, its what he does best.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2008 23:51:58 GMT -5
Mir.
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