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Post by pineappleexpress on Jun 8, 2009 9:10:43 GMT -5
I just hope Umaga gets a push now.
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Post by TurboEddie on Jun 8, 2009 9:10:57 GMT -5
All of a sudden, everyone hates CM Punk. God.
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Post by Gazza on Jun 8, 2009 9:13:11 GMT -5
All of a sudden, everyone hates CM Punk. God. Welcome to WF.
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Post by The Future on Jun 8, 2009 9:13:23 GMT -5
All of a sudden, everyone hates CM Punk. God. Either that, or people think he is God. As I stated on the last page in my lengthy post- I don't really HATE or LOVE the guy...I don't like or dislike the guy. Haven't really been given a reason for any of the above. He's a cardboard cut-out right now. I can't get behind him in any sense.
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Post by y2jsucks on Jun 8, 2009 9:13:59 GMT -5
Agreed 100%, but the sad thing is people will still defend Punk being champion. People are alowed to like the fact Punk is champion.... I didn't say they weren't.. I ment people who have repeatedly defended him, saying he deserves it through it this thread who are close minded. Fact of the matter is, he only won because they had to get themselfs out of the MITB situation some how. I'm sure Vince doesn't give a crap about Punk outside of him being straight edge at the right time. If he cared about him being a credible champion, they would have booked it properly. But they didn't, they shot themselfs in the foot and gave him a terrible victory. Bring on his second flop of a title reign. I have no real problem with Punk and would like to see him get built up properly, and win a title that felt like he earned/deserved it. That's yet to happen, so untill it does I won't take him or his last minute title decisions seriously. While he has potentionial, I think he is highly overrated on here though. He doesn't really ooz any kind of personality. Also, my problem with him winning titles like this is aside from MITB, theres no real story behind it. He's not got that face story that makes you want to back him. Call me a mark for that, but this is WWE, not an indie promotion. You can't honestly belive he's earned to get where he is on wrestling moves alone?
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Post by TurboEddie on Jun 8, 2009 9:52:12 GMT -5
All of a sudden, everyone hates CM Punk. God. Welcome to WF. Thanks for havin' me. ;D
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Post by TurboEddie on Jun 8, 2009 9:54:55 GMT -5
All of a sudden, everyone hates CM Punk. God. Either that, or people think he is God. As I stated on the last page in my lengthy post- I don't really HATE or LOVE the guy...I don't like or dislike the guy. Haven't really been given a reason for any of the above. He's a cardboard cut-out right now. I can't get behind him in any sense. That's a great answer. I just find it stupid that people hate him because he beat Jeff Hardy for the World Title. That's a reason for a child to hate him, not so much adults. LOL
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Post by White Trash Lucha on Jun 8, 2009 9:56:21 GMT -5
I've Always Followed CM Punk Throughout His Whole Career
I Am Just a Big Fan Of Him.
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Post by s☠e on Jun 8, 2009 10:09:45 GMT -5
Epic thread tbh, lol. I was really glad Hardy won. That was a great match, with a great ending. I love the 'shock' factor that potentially comes along with MITB. I marked the out last year when Punk cashed in. I wanted the same thing to happen again this year. If not, then have a decent feud/build up for Punk against the champion (eg. Edge) where Edge constantly screws Punk...untill the PPV where they have a solid one-on-one match (like on SD a few weeks ago) where Punk wins clean. Both would've been cool. As for coming out after Hardy wins...hm. I don't have a big problem with it, but I think it could've been bigger. Something just felt kind of off. I know they were going for the whole CM Punk beats...Hardy?! thing, which is cool to go for something different...but I think they would've been better sticking to a classic Punk cashing in on a bad guy thing. (Assuming they don't do the build up to a match thing I mentioned earlier). It would have gotten a bigger pop like that, whereas last night Jeff is too over for the fans to pop crazy for it. I'm glad Jeff was champ, and I'm glad CM Punk is champ. I just think it perhaps should've happened under better circumstances. Punk had no build up last year, and they made him look weak as a champion. Always 'stealing' the win. (In the mid card as well!) This time, he should've probably been built up more so the fans can get behind him and really WANT him to win. He needs to look as though he deserves the belt after a load of hard work and getting screwed by Edge or something. Hopefully, they don't job him out as champion, and he has solid matches where he wins clean so he looks like a proper face champion.
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Post by Hammersmith Hardman on Jun 8, 2009 10:19:24 GMT -5
Jesus I was just over reacting about saying I hope he dies calm down. I wouldn't care who it was I'm a big Jeff Hardy fan so I would be pissed of whoever it was but it just happened to be ing CM Punk. Just typical Punk fans though. If you insult CM Punk, it's like you are insulting them. Pathetic.
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Post by RWA on Jun 8, 2009 10:26:54 GMT -5
Edge and Hardy deserve the title more IMO but thats WWE, what was the point in giving jeff the title though
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Post by s☠e on Jun 8, 2009 10:28:06 GMT -5
Jesus I was just over reacting about saying I hope he dies calm down. I wouldn't care who it was I'm a big Jeff Hardy fan so I would be pissed of whoever it was but it just happened to be ing CM Punk. Just typical Punk fans though. If you insult CM Punk, it's like you are insulting them. Pathetic. I hate how the epimegaSPAM!fans can't take an unbiased opinion. Typically Punk and Kane fans. They all seem to have close minded opinions, and the damn tunnel vision. EDIT: Wtf is the SPAM thing all about?
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Post by missedgehead on Jun 8, 2009 10:28:20 GMT -5
I am indifferent. He is just ok.
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Post by Quanthor on Jun 8, 2009 11:27:37 GMT -5
My thing with Punk is that he has no outstanding qualities. He's an average wrestler, who's mic skills are average and his overall psychology is average.
Average to me doesn't equal viable champion especially if the majority of the fans aren't backing him.
H's essestially an image wrestler, without his look he's a nobody.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jun 8, 2009 11:28:10 GMT -5
I think making CM Punk Champion again is a mistake....and not because I don't like him, in fact, I'm pretty indifferent.
I just think he's being set up to fail. Because he's not established enough to be a World Champion anywhere other than ECW right now.
Name one memorable feud? Name a SPECTACULAR match he's had? Name a feud he's been in where he's defeated an established veteran wrestler?
The bottom line is despite Punk being over with a portion of the audience, the other portion of the audience couldn't care less about him because WWE has booked him horribly and hasn't established him and he has ZERO pin falls over anybody important except his wins over Edge and Jeff Hardy while cashing in the money in the bank....but those don't "establish you", those just come off as sneak attacks.
WWE should have given Punk like a YEAR long reign as Intercontinental Champion and had him go over people like Jericho and Mysterio, THEN he would be established enough to be World Champion.
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Post by JCF on Jun 8, 2009 11:30:40 GMT -5
All of a sudden, everyone hates CM Punk. God. Rightfully so. I don't think the crowd liked him much either last night...
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Jun 8, 2009 11:34:09 GMT -5
I can see him turning Heel just because of the reactions he's been getting lately. Especially at Wrestlemania, the reactions he apparently got yesterday and the fact he snuck in and snatched the title from Jeff Hardy. I can see him doing the whole "This is the second time I've held this title yet you people still doubt my abilities" kind of thing. But that is neither here nor there, I personally love CM Punk.
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Post by The Silent Flute (joepetree) on Jun 8, 2009 11:36:47 GMT -5
you know i liked CM Punk but what he did last night to Jeff Hardy Was Just Disgusting he ruined a Perfect moment and didnt even Give Jeff a Chance to defend himself which is complete crap , just goes to show you what cm punk is really about
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jun 8, 2009 11:39:29 GMT -5
you know i liked CM Punk but what he did last night to Jeff Hardy Was Just Disgusting he ruined a Perfect moment and didnt even Give Jeff a Chance to defend himself which is complete crap , just goes to show you what cm punk is really about
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Post by Jimmy on Jun 8, 2009 11:41:20 GMT -5
After sitting on my hands for 10 pages, I'll toss out my opinion again. I really now and always have disliked the "he doesn't deserve the title" arguement. I've had this debate about a number of guys. Sometimes you just need to pull the trigger and make a star. What had Brock Lesnar done to make himself worthy of his first title reign? Other than a match where Mick Foley made him, Orton hadn't done much of anything either as far as great matches go or time spent in the company. Did Kane 'deserve' the title in 1998 after putting on stinky poop matches and being a jobber for most of his life? Did Undertaker 'deserve' the title in 1991 after being the the WWF for a year? By most measures the answer to all of these questions is No. But I personally didn't/don't have a problem with any of them. And this list could go on and on. As a quick add on, I will say there is one guy who was given the WWE Title that was completely 'undeserved' in almost every measureable faucet and that would be Bradshaw. He had been in the Federation for three years before he finally started drawing some heat with Faaroqq in the Acolytes. By 2003 though that team had run it's course and all the fans popped for was their music and when Bradshaw hit the Clothesline from Hell. They sat on their hands through their matches, and rightfully so. But Brock Lesnar leaves and WWE decides to make JBL their new top heel. Questionable decision, but okay. He IMMEDIATELY begins making overatures at WWE Champion Eddie Guerrero in March, by April he's #1 contender without even having wrestled a match, by May he's beat Eddie by DQ, and in June he wins the WWE Title. Who did he beat in that span? El Gran Luchador. To the best of my memory that is it. He didn't beat RVD, Booker T, or any ing midcarder on the roster. The guy went from jobbing to Charlie Haas in February to jobbing to Scotty 2 Hotty and Rikishi in March to #1 contender in April. Literally. THAT is an example of building someone up horribly. And yet, WWE semi made it work by having JBL be champion for so long that the fans (the ones they didn't drive away) HAD to by into this guy as champion. Punk may not yet have that one match that defines him, but I don't see that as a problem or knock on him. He still has yet to face some of WWE biggest stars in the Undertaker, Shawn Michaels, Triple H, John Cena, etc. He's never even gotten to have a PPV match with Edge or Chris Jericho. But even without them he's managed to put on really good matches against the guys he's been programmed against in John Morrision, Elijah Burke, Umaga, JBL (of all people) and others. In conclusion I can see where the "What has he done" arguement comes from, but I just think in professional wrestling it's a moot point.
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