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Post by sxexhxc on Jun 8, 2009 3:53:15 GMT -5
So which cash in did everyone like better, the 1st or 2nd?? Neither. Both were heelish moves and shouldn't be done by a face. No matter what the circumstances are...
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Jun 8, 2009 4:01:06 GMT -5
See, that's where we disagree.. I think MVP sucks as a face... everything he does, looks so forced and unnatural.. Of course MVP was in the match - he was there simply to make up the numbers.. I didn't hear one "MVP" chant all match, and he did nothing in the match, apart from that lame throw he always does... and botching the tower of doom, spot.. He wasn't even involved in the finish.. MVP got the cheers entering the match and during it... he didn't botch the tower of doom, he saw Regal dropped for the suplex and knew he couldn't do it in time. If MVP sucks, as a face, how come he gets the cheers, that CM Punk doesn't? The only time I remember a good few loud Punk chants, was when he debuted in ECW... He slipped off the bottom rope - that's why he ed it up and couldn't do the move.. There's always loud Punk chants, in his matches.. It must be a case of selective hearing - either that, or you have a problem with the sound on your TV..
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Post by sxexhxc on Jun 8, 2009 4:28:29 GMT -5
MVP got the cheers entering the match and during it... he didn't botch the tower of doom, he saw Regal dropped for the suplex and knew he couldn't do it in time. If MVP sucks, as a face, how come he gets the cheers, that CM Punk doesn't? The only time I remember a good few loud Punk chants, was when he debuted in ECW... He slipped off the bottom rope - that's why he ed it up and couldn't do the move.. There's always loud Punk chants, in his matches.. It must be a case of selective hearing - either that, or you have a problem with the sound on your TV.. Well, I certaintly didn't hear them tonight...
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Post by y2jsucks on Jun 8, 2009 5:16:59 GMT -5
I fell asleep during the submission match, and i'm glad to I did. I don't think I could have stomatched sitting on the edge of my seat, backing Jeff and seeing him win, then having one of the worst swerves in years with mr underserving stealing it. I don't care how much any of you (Close Minded PUNK, Adam Bomb or any other biased super fans) want to argue it, he hasn't done a thing in WWE to deserve it. Call me bitter, but that was Jeffs night..
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Post by Hammersmith Hardman on Jun 8, 2009 5:20:31 GMT -5
He slipped off the bottom rope - that's why he ed it up and couldn't do the move.. There's always loud Punk chants, in his matches.. It must be a case of selective hearing - either that, or you have a problem with the sound on your TV.. Well, I certaintly didn't hear them tonight... Agreed, the crowd was dead when he won the Title last night.
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Post by WFK on Jun 8, 2009 6:19:17 GMT -5
I love the fact that C.M. Punk is the new World Heavyweight Champion I just hate how he won. It would have made alot more sense to me to have him go over a beaten and bruised Edge than Jeff Hardy. That's a waste of a reign.
Oh well. All is right with the world to me. Last night went great.
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Jun 8, 2009 6:43:56 GMT -5
I truly dislike him. I am not at all a fan of his matches and never have been. I find his offense weak. His knee strikes look soft and he does too many kicks for my personal taste. He lacks psychology and I don't see him as a viable champion. Besides, cashing in the briefcase at the end of a long match is not face booking, that is heel booking, which is why I agreed with Edge's cashings. You wouldn't see Triple H, John Cena, or even someone like Orton come in at the end of a long match. That is cowardly heel booking, not face booking. The GTS is also my least favorite move. Just throw a damn knee, there is no need to toss a guy on your shoulders first, its ridiculous. I KNOW he didn't invent it, but it is still a crap move. Plus he has no personality. Everything just screams indie. There is no character. Indies are just jackoffs of the street. This is pretty much Punk, some jackoff off the streets trying to wrestle. So basically I hate everything about him and he absolutely does not deserve to be champion. MVP is the better choice for new face of the heavyweight division.
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Post by OverTheEdge on Jun 8, 2009 7:50:41 GMT -5
When he first came to the WWE I didn't like him at all considering how overhyped he was on here. After a while though, he grew on me and I've been a pretty big fan ever since.
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Post by McGruff on Jun 8, 2009 7:56:53 GMT -5
So which cash in did everyone like better, the 1st or 2nd?? Neither. Both were heelish moves and shouldn't be done by a face. No matter what the circumstances are... Yeah, but the first one was more along the lines of giving Edge a taste of his own medicine. This one is more confusing to me, but I'll wait a few weeks in hopes that they make a heel turn or have a face/face feud.
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Post by instant classic on Jun 8, 2009 8:17:16 GMT -5
CM Puke is the definition of overrated. His move set looks like turd, He runs like a complete ing goof, He is the most unbelievable main eventer to me. Congrats CM Puke you are the most overrated piece of crap to ever grace the WWE screen. WTF can't say S h i t now?
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Post by Joey Cush on Jun 8, 2009 8:23:20 GMT -5
I woke up and I was actually in a bad mood. Just that I was hoping for a great match. We got one. I really didn't care who would win the match only because I knew the match would be great. I see Jeff win the title. I think to myself, "Wow, he finally did it. He won the WHC in a match that everybody says is the only reason he is loved." It was like a story. Jeff putting his body on the line for Tag Team titles, Intercontinental titles, money, etc. But is that what for? All that is nothing compared to winning the biggest title in the WWE in a Ladder match.
I say story because he won the WHC in a ladder match. Why is that so important? Because of his history with them and putting his body on the line for smaller titles. I say story because he beat his rival in the WWE Edge for the WHC. The history these two guys have is unmatchable. I say story because he beat his rival match. It is such a sweet victory that should have been remembered, unlike his WWE Championship win.
And then it gets crapped on by Punk. I really do like Punk. But as others have said, he has done nearly nothing in the WWE. Not one memorable match I can remember. Sure he has worked great matches with guys, but that by no means makes them memorable. He has two WHC reigns in the WWE and not one memorable match/feud to support it.
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Post by The Future on Jun 8, 2009 8:34:27 GMT -5
he hasn't done a thing in WWE to deserve it. Call me bitter, but that was Jeffs night.. I agree 100% with this point. I mean, as a human being, his personality and ring work in the indies and ROH may be enough to gain Punk a loyal and deserving following. But as a competitor in the WWE- he's not really done a thing of note since winning the ECW title in the match with Morrison. His feuds with Burke were top notch, and really some of the best ever in the new ECW. He was fresh there, when he first arrived- he got decent mic time, had the Anaconda Vice as his finisher, that 'in the ropes' choke submission and a moveset that wasn't just 'KICK, BACKHAND, BULLDOG- GO 2 SLEEP!' repeat... I mean, he's really just gone off a bland mold of a fan favorite with an anti-establishment look and a cool finisher for a couple years now. How are kids supposed to get behind that- nevertheless the adult fans or the IWC. All he says now is 'I'm CM Punk...and I'm gonna make you go to sleep *Head on pillow motion*'. That's not a real development of character- and I don't blame him at all for that, I blame the creative team. They've lacked a direction with him ever since moving him over to RAW. He's become lost in the musclehead shuffle- and they never really brought him to his true potential or gave him feuds with any stars that could validate his talents or move him up to a higher tier in the ranks. Like they did with MVP against Benoit, Cena against Brock, or hell- Edge against Cena...sometimes you just need that one notable feud, that person who screams main event before allowing them to try to figuratively become part of their ranks. He just took the MITB shortcut- and unlike those before him(RVD, Edge) he didn't really have the credibility to make it believable when he won a major world title. It just seems like he's still swimming in a sea too deep for his own skill level. He could go far with a push as a heel, actually bringing his real-life lifestyle into play instead of commentators just happening to mention it every so often, or he could begin to distance himself from a bland and repetitive in-ring persona that's made all his matches very one-note and uneventful to watch. He could let those gleaming streaks of his real personal self shine through- be given some mic time to actually show people he's got actual goals and a reason for being in the WWE or maybe for once they can realize the complete lack of reaction from the fans instead of pushing someone blindly...but that's just what I feel. He meshes together so many great pieces of established characters from the past and present- but never really got off the ground himself. So it's hard to ever take him seriously for that. He's the guy who delivers awesome stiff kicks and muy-thai like strikes...RVD and Tajiri did that way before him. He becomes synonymous with a finisher he stole from KENTA, and tries to identify with a fan base by promising he's going to hit that finisher each night- Rey Mysterio's 619 and Rhyno called. He makes a calling card out of his tattoos, punk rocker look, and wrist tape hoping to capitalize on his unique look to get the kids to follow him- well, Jeff Hardy's grungy appearance, unkempt hair and armbands were there a decade before you, Punker...He just doesn't seem fresh. Doesn't seem worth caring about. And it's not completely his fault. Have him get some more mic time and give his persona an actual personality, have him not be the 'Go 2 sleep' guy, and that alone(bring back the Vice- and a ton of other great moves he used during his initial run), and give him a real opponent and storyline that he can build off of- and then maybe I'll be given a reason to care about CM Punk, and want to see him as champion. Because currently, he's just a cardboard cut-out of what greatness could be.
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Post by y2jsucks on Jun 8, 2009 8:50:52 GMT -5
Just watched the ladder match, and by the looks of it they are sticking to Punk being face. How is any casual or young fan supposed to get behind a face that stole the title from the most over baby face? I'm glad he got booed. It took away from a brilliant match.
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Post by The Future on Jun 8, 2009 8:55:27 GMT -5
Just watched the ladder match, and by the looks of it they are sticking to Punk being face. How is any casual or young fan supposed to get behind a face that stole the title from the most over baby face? I'm glad he got booed. It took away from a brilliant match. Agreed- he should have waited until Summerslam, or cashed in after that sick fall from a 20-footer onto the laid out ladder placed between the barrier and the apron. He could have just mosied on up the ladder set in-ring and given us a totally surprising and neutral(or babyface) capturing of the title...Instead he completely destroys Jeff's moment, and puts the booking team in an uncomfortable situation because they had him pull a heel tactic on the biggest face they've got(seriously, in the whole company Jeff is) and now must work around the fact that noone cares about the WHC. They still want the underdog.
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Post by instant classic on Jun 8, 2009 8:57:18 GMT -5
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Post by ericbischoff on Jun 8, 2009 8:58:37 GMT -5
His boring, and I never liked him. I don’t find him any entertainment, in my opinion. I think Edge should still champion after Extreme Rules, and then Jericho challenge the Champion in next few weeks, so Edge Vs Jericho at SummerSlam or so, that would be nice.
But Jericho lose IC title before he challenge to Edge, obviously.
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Post by Gazza on Jun 8, 2009 9:00:53 GMT -5
His boring, and I never liked him. I don’t find him any entertainment, in my opinion. I think Edge should still champion after Extreme Rules, and then Jericho challenge the Champion in next few weeks, so Edge Vs Jericho at SummerSlam or so, that would be nice. But Jericho lose IC title before he challenge to Edge, obviously. Irony.
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Post by y2jsucks on Jun 8, 2009 9:03:47 GMT -5
Just watched the ladder match, and by the looks of it they are sticking to Punk being face. How is any casual or young fan supposed to get behind a face that stole the title from the most over baby face? I'm glad he got booed. It took away from a brilliant match. Agreed- he should have waited until Summerslam, or cashed in after that sick fall from a 20-footer onto the laid out ladder placed between the barrier and the apron. He could have just mosied on up the ladder set in-ring and given us a totally surprising and neutral(or babyface) capturing of the title...Instead he completely destroys Jeff's moment, and puts the booking team in an uncomfortable situation because they had him pull a heel tactic on the biggest face they've got(seriously, in the whole company Jeff is) and now must work around the fact that noone cares about the WHC. They still want the underdog. Agreed 100%, but the sad thing is people will still defend Punk being champion.
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Post by hbk4champ on Jun 8, 2009 9:05:50 GMT -5
Jesus I was just over reacting about saying I hope he dies calm down. I wouldn't care who it was I'm a big Jeff Hardy fan so I would be pissed of whoever it was but it just happened to be ing CM Punk.
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Post by Gazza on Jun 8, 2009 9:06:21 GMT -5
Agreed- he should have waited until Summerslam, or cashed in after that sick fall from a 20-footer onto the laid out ladder placed between the barrier and the apron. He could have just mosied on up the ladder set in-ring and given us a totally surprising and neutral(or babyface) capturing of the title...Instead he completely destroys Jeff's moment, and puts the booking team in an uncomfortable situation because they had him pull a heel tactic on the biggest face they've got(seriously, in the whole company Jeff is) and now must work around the fact that noone cares about the WHC. They still want the underdog. Agreed 100%, but the sad thing is people will still defend Punk being champion. People are alowed to like the fact Punk is champion....
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