Hulk Hogan says hes not finished just yet!!!

Thanks man, +1 if that's cool, and I'll do the same for you.

I don't like name-calling if it can be avoided, obviously.

Here's the thing with that, I wouldn't even say the Undertaker got Hogan's torch... since he won the belt via Flair interference. Plus, Hogan won it back a week later. Selfish of him, definitely, and not my idea of passing any torch. Years later, they had one of the worst matches ever.

I remember in WCW, Hogan jobbed the World title to a 23 year old Big Show (the Giant back then), who was a rookie but had tremendous size. I'd say that was an act of torch passing, hopefully that counts for something.

And back to the Rock, yeah Hogan did him the favor twice, but still.. 2002 was the Rock at his height, over as hell, getting those Saturday Night Live gigs, in a wave of merchandise momentum... I think that was the perfect time to give him Hogan. And I might be a little biased cause I was there live, but that was a pretty amazing match to be there for.

At the end, Hogan admitted defeat, shook the Rock's hand and cleared the way for him. I'd say that was an act of passing the torch, and the win over Hogan only shot his momentum into overdrive.

The Rock was a big player in wrestling beforehand, but he was an icon after that night.

So while yes, Hogan's a dick, when he had his mind in the right place, with a wave of his hand... he could pretty much help get anyone over. Unless their name's Brutus Beefcake.

You mean Starrcade '97.

And Hogan "paid Nick Patrick to do a slow count"? Do you believe in kayfabe?

Who won that match in the end? Sting.

And Sting has THREE wins over Hogan, while Hogan has ZERO over him. And that's what matters in the end.

'Mania IX I don't really have an excuse for, that was probably the worst move Hogan ever did. But, others have done similar, like Triple H being handed the World title by Bischoff on an episode of RAW, for no real reason other than he was the top guy.

Regardless, Hogan will have the most spotty record in wrestling history. If he put someone over, he really put them over. If he buried them, they were eight feet under.

As for the Rock issue:

slam.canoe.ca/SlamWrestlingWM18/mar18_wmgramlich-can.html

Top title in red-- "Hogan passes torch at WrestleMania", just Google "Hogan passing torch to Rock" or something, and you'll find a massive list of sites bringing up that fact.

I still think Hogan passed the torch to the Rock, you think otherwise, it's all good, as long as we both can come to terms on the crowd being pro-Hogan that night.

Ah, but if we talk about being the role of an employee and having no say in the matter, the same can be said for Hulk Hogan refusing to put Bret Hart over.

Austin should have some say in the matter, considering he was one of their top stars of the company at the time. Plus, he was right in the fact that it would have been a bad business decision, so he's speaking from a creative standpoint more than as a wrestler. And Hogan putting Goldberg over had build to it. It's not so much that it's free television, but the lack of any sort of build killed it. Goldberg and Hogan were at least feuding.

I'm not saying Austin's a saint in putting people over, but I do believe he had a point and wasn't so much opposed to putting over Lesnar as much as he was to doing it without any hype, is all I'm saying.

I see what you mean.

Hogan should've put Bret Hart over, 100%. But he did at least put Yokozuna over as a monster before he left the company, and he let Yoko literally squash him on the way out.

But that's what good ol' Ric Flair was for, he did the job for Bret.

I still don't dig the way Austin handled the whole nWo 2002 angle. He went over the nWo at every house show leading into Mania 18, beating Scott Hall and Kevin Nash at the same time at some points. Granted, there was a tag match between the nWo and Rock/Austin... but the Rock was the one taking the pin there. Scott Hall was supposed to beat Austin, but 'Stone Cold' vetoed it. I'm just saying that there must be a connection between his behavior here and his behavior regarding the Brock thing.

2002 won't be remembered as his best year, either way.

Oh god....

Amazing, just amazing

1. He physically couldn't. His facial expressions after all three Rock Bottoms told a scary story about the pain he was in. 2.He lost that very same match. He wen out that way you're "supposed to" as a pro wrestler. My point is that him coming back only to lose would prove absolutely nothing.

I believe the old saying is the proof is in the pudding. Hogan "passed the torch" to all of those men and none of them lasted. Warrior was a flop. Rock went off to Hollywood and Brock went to play football. Not knocking their decisions cause some of them are making better money then they were before, but they didnt put 20 years in the business as the main guy like Hogan did.

Hogan is like Flair, he's not going to get any respect on this board because he wasnt part of the attitude era, wasnt a spot monkey in TLC matches and basically their prime years were behind them before most of the kiddies on this board were born.