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Post by Chicago on Jan 13, 2010 15:21:29 GMT -5
It's just a rumor and nothing more than that. Bynum isn't going anywhere.
My favorite Artest moment of 2009 was when he said that he admired Ben Wallace, then he proceeded to follow that quote with this one:
"I don't want to fight Ben Wallace in no street. I don't want to fight Ben Wallace on no basketball court. But after our careers are over, I will fight Ben Wallace in the boxing ring. But not out of hatred. But out of it would be a good boxing match. So don't look forward to me fighting Ben on a basketball court, because that's not going to happen."
I love Ron Artest's insanity.
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Post by spreedom8 on Jan 13, 2010 15:22:56 GMT -5
I've been reading rumors that have the Lakers sending Bynum to toronto for Bosh whaqt do you guys think of this rumor as well as the idea of losing bynum to get bosh Bosh to LA would be so ridiculous it's not even funny. The Lakers would win each of the next three titles as long as they can lock him up. That would be Executive of the Millenium material for Kupchak. Not only that, but it also throws the 2010 FA class for a loop, because all of these teams that think they're going to sign Bosh plus a perimeter guy (LeBron, Wade, Joe Johnson) will be SOL. |
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Post by Chicago on Jan 13, 2010 17:15:33 GMT -5
Remember the days when number one overall picks actually played a game in their rookie season?!?
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Post by spreedom8 on Jan 13, 2010 17:21:03 GMT -5
So now Blake Griffin and John Wall will go head-to-head for ROTY next season...
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Post by user9327 on Jan 13, 2010 17:44:47 GMT -5
Blake still will not be considered a Rookie, I think. I think that's how they did it with Oden, too. They've been through one year being in the NBA, just not playing.
I'd take Bynum over Bosh if I were the Lakers. Bynum is the type of Center they need and they are so much better when he's on the floor playing a low post/banger game. Bosh is similar to Gasol and Bynum is a lot younger than both of them and has more improvement to be made. Why on Earth would you trade that for a guy who is going to be a Free Agent in a few months?
Look what the Celtics were able to do to them when they didn't have a banger down low. I realize Bynum has a history of disappearing, but adding Bosh is like adding another Gasol. The space Bynum and Gasol create theoretically is a better situation for Kobe... especially since Lamar Odom has a tendency to float away from the hoop as well. I realize Bosh is a great player but what the hell are the Lakers thinking? Do they think the group of Bynum, Gasol and Kobe can't win it all for years to come? Apparently so...
What if Bynum just keeps getting better and in 3 years he's better than Dwight Howard? It's not that far fetched and has been talked about recently.
However, if I'm Toronto, I keep Bosh. Unless I know he is certainly leaving this Summer, which they may be pretty much admitting, right now.
Last night Kobe may have been in pain but I majorly LOL'd at how it only appeared to show up drastically with about.... ohhhhhh less than a minute left in the 3rd and the team was down by more than 12 or so. Then he decides he can't take it and has to leave... but not before he misses a bunch of shots in a row and further cripples their chance of winning. If you're so hurt, why not leave before those shots and give your team a better chance? Back Spasms are also the easiest injury in the NBA to fake. I'm not calling him a faker... just pointing out my gut feeling while watching this and remembering how full of crap he's been in the past as well.
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Post by spreedom8 on Jan 13, 2010 19:56:35 GMT -5
Bynum will NEVER be better than Dwight Howard. They're a wash offensively, and Howard is the best defensive big in the league (light years beyond Bynum) -- plus Howard is the same age and is still improving, and is always healthy.
Plus, you don't even have to build a roster to gameplan against true "banger" type centers. They are only a handful left and the best way to counteract them is by adding athletic big men with length that can also space the floor with their shooting.
Plus, Bosh will definitely re-sign with the Lakers if he's traded there. They'll be able to offer him the most money and will also give him a chance to compete for a title for at least the next 5 years with their current roster. That is a no-brainer for both parties.
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Post by spreedom8 on Jan 13, 2010 20:02:12 GMT -5
And BTW I believe you are a rookie until you play in a regular season game, and I think Blake got hurt during the preseason.
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Post by user9327 on Jan 13, 2010 20:22:35 GMT -5
Bynum will NEVER be better than Dwight Howard. They're a wash offensively, and Howard is the best defensive big in the league (light years beyond Bynum) -- plus Howard is the same age and is still improving, and is always healthy. Plus, you don't even have to build a roster to gameplan against true "banger" type centers. They are only a handful left and the best way to counteract them is by adding athletic big men with length that can also space the floor with their shooting. Plus, Bosh will definitely re-sign with the Lakers if he's traded there. They'll be able to offer him the most money and will also give him a chance to compete for a title for at least the next 5 years with their current roster. That is a no-brainer for both parties. I agree that he probably will resign but your theory on how to solve a banger is very shallow... but so is the league for banger Centers that are a legit 7 foot with a skill set so I can't blame you. But what a banger does for this mix of Kobe and Gasol is priceless. I haven't seen enough of Bosh to know if he's going to be able to play that system in 3 months or less, you know what I mean? But Bosh CAN bang. I think they will have the championship mix still, obviously. But I don't agree with trading Bynum. What is this really for? To get better? Or to throw away your Center that you've had since he was 18 who at times has looked like potentially the best in the game... to block the Rockets from getting Bosh now or Cleveland from getting him this Summer? If you think Bynum may NEVER be better than Dwight Howard, that's you. I never said he would be, I said he could be. I still think some day he may be, he's shown signs of being the best Center in the NBA at times. Do I believe it'll be a good bet? No, but I'm not saying never. Especially when there is not one Center in the NBA who has the footwork and offensive skill set of Bynum at his age right now.... not one. Offensively he is the best pure Center in the NBA. To call him a wash offensively, I just disagree and keep thinking of his 40 plus nights and dominant quarters. I realize Bynum gets hurt often, but I wouldn't be willing to throw that guy away yet, is all. Especially when without him you still are the best team in the league and honestly it looks to me like they know they can disrupt any chance Cleveland has of keeping LeBron by doing this. Who is Cleveland going to sign now to keep LeBron in place? Wade? Can you really see Wade in a Cleveland jersey, tail between his legs leaving Miami? Blake will technically still be a 2nd year player but yea, it's like being a Rookie. Although, I understand why they won't be calling him a rookie... at that point he could be a 2 time summer league player of the year. |
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jan 13, 2010 21:29:31 GMT -5
Blake will still be eligible for ROY, he has yet to step foot on an NBA court during the regular season
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Post by spreedom8 on Jan 13, 2010 21:40:19 GMT -5
Bynum's numbers are definitely inflated by the fact that he rarely gets double teamed... I can't think of any other centers near his caliber that share that quality. And personally, I think Al Jefferson is a better post scorer than Bynum (albeit not in his league defensively). If Dwight Howard got single coverage every game he might be able to average 35 a game on sheer athleticism and power alone. That would be a lot of fun to watch.
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Post by user9327 on Jan 14, 2010 0:16:29 GMT -5
Bynum's numbers are definitely inflated by the fact that he rarely gets double teamed... I can't think of any other centers near his caliber that share that quality. And personally, I think Al Jefferson is a better post scorer than Bynum (albeit not in his league defensively). If Dwight Howard got single coverage every game he might be able to average 35 a game on sheer athleticism and power alone. That would be a lot of fun to watch. yea no doubt. But that's my point, Bynum in LA brings such a priceless value to the lane. I dunno if Bosh is going to learn the triangle in 3 months or less. I mean scrap the space creation both of them bring in different ways. If you learn the triangle offense it really doesn't matter all that much. I can't really say if I think Al Jefferson is a better post scorer than Bynum because Bynum hasn't faced as many doubles. But, I've just watched Bynum under the hoop, his footwork and his ability to use the glass and take a variety of angled approaches and shot attempts are what impressed me. Footwork on a guy that size is a big deal. Al Jefferson doesn't really have that footwork and for his size he plays a little smaller in terms of jumping and getting that second jump and third jump under the basket in one play. That's where Jefferson becomes conditional to who he is playing against. Every time I've sat and watched Jefferson I've just always thought "what is the really big deal here?" I get it, he's a big and there's not many. But I don't really see game changing qualities in him. In terms of Bynum, his numbers are deflated as well by playing with Kobe. But it's not really about the numbers. He's still shown he can go for 40 points, I'm sure 20 points in you're getting quite the double team. Bynum's question is his health, long term. I still see this as the Lakers trying to cancel out the chances of Bosh and LeBron playing together. Really, why else would you partially gut a team that just won a title? Right in the middle of Bynum's biggest improvement of his career? Pretty cheap considering they stole Gasol from Memphis and getting Artest (who almost beat them) was sickening enough. |
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Post by VK on Jan 14, 2010 3:45:42 GMT -5
All I'm wondering with a Bosh/Bynum trade is who would play Center for the Lakers? Bosh always seemed more like a PF and I know Gasol can play C, but I always preferred him as PF.
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Post by spreedom8 on Jan 14, 2010 12:42:55 GMT -5
A couple of monster games last night: 26/26 for Al Jefferson and 28/21 for DeJuan Blair.
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Post by Byron F'N Saxton Fan on Jan 14, 2010 12:45:10 GMT -5
I really wish the Thunder were in the Eastern Conference. Right now they'd be the 5th seed, but in the West they're barley the 8th seed. Also, come on Lakers. My first and current co-team to root for are falling, and they're not showing great resolve in getting up, but a win in Dallas was a nice start.
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Post by spreedom8 on Jan 14, 2010 15:51:54 GMT -5
The East is still terrible. There are five (count 'em.... five) teams with winning records. And of those 5, only 3 have a legitimate chance at making it to the Finals. Detroit just lost 12 straight games and they are only 4.5 out of the playoffs. Ridiculous. The West has eleven teams with winning records (at least 4 teams with a chance to win it all)... between the Northwest and Southwest, 9/10 teams are above .500 with only Minnesota below (as the worst team in the West by a large margin, they are still only 8 games out of a playoff spot in the East).
The NBA needs to get rid of this whole "8 teams from each conference durr" nonsense and make the playoffs 14 teams w/two byes to the best records. It's really stupid that over half of the teams make the playoffs, especially since an 8th seed has only won its first round series once since they went to a seven game series (but don't remind me).
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Post by LAXxxx305 on Jan 14, 2010 17:50:11 GMT -5
The East is still terrible. There are five (count 'em.... five) teams with winning records. And of those 5, only 3 have a legitimate chance at making it to the Finals. Detroit just lost 12 straight games and they are only 4.5 out of the playoffs. Ridiculous. The West has eleven teams with winning records (at least 4 teams with a chance to win it all)... between the Northwest and Southwest, 9/10 teams are above .500 with only Minnesota below (as the worst team in the West by a large margin, they are still only 8 games out of a playoff spot in the East). The NBA needs to get rid of this whole "8 teams from each conference durr" nonsense and make the playoffs 14 teams w/two byes to the best records. It's really stupid that over half of the teams make the playoffs, especially since an 8th seed has only won its first round series once since they went to a seven game series (but don't remind me). Actually, Detroit beat the Wizards. |
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jan 14, 2010 18:13:51 GMT -5
Well he said just lost, like their losing streak was in the past....if they still had a losing streak he would have said "The Pistons have lost 12 straight"
Wonders of being an English major
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Post by user9327 on Jan 14, 2010 18:32:12 GMT -5
The East is still terrible. There are five (count 'em.... five) teams with winning records. And of those 5, only 3 have a legitimate chance at making it to the Finals. Detroit just lost 12 straight games and they are only 4.5 out of the playoffs. Ridiculous. The West has eleven teams with winning records (at least 4 teams with a chance to win it all)... between the Northwest and Southwest, 9/10 teams are above .500 with only Minnesota below (as the worst team in the West by a large margin, they are still only 8 games out of a playoff spot in the East). The NBA needs to get rid of this whole "8 teams from each conference durr" nonsense and make the playoffs 14 teams w/two byes to the best records. It's really stupid that over half of the teams make the playoffs, especially since an 8th seed has only won its first round series once since they went to a seven game series (but don't remind me). What East teams do you think have a shot at the title? I agree there really are only 3 who have a good shot at making the Finals. But I think the only East team with a chance in hell at winning the Finals is Boston. I still just can't see anybody beating the Lakers in a 7 game, game 7 in LA. The Spurs are looking better lately and making my prediction look decent. But I still wonder about their health down the line. They seem to be firing on all cylinders now in terms of chemistry. Richard Jefferson is finding his spot with the team. If Houston gets Bosh they could upset a lot of people. They've got playoff players there in Brooks, Ariza and Scola.... Landry... |
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jan 14, 2010 19:20:15 GMT -5
Until the Lakers actually start playing good teams....outside of LA, I am not going to write off having home court in the finals. The Lakers have had a verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry easy schedule to begin with, but they need to come out East.
And I am just talking about other teams, not just the Celtics with regards to home court
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Post by user9327 on Jan 14, 2010 19:40:39 GMT -5
Lakers are 30-9 and Cleveland is 30-10... I didn't realize Cleveland played that well so far with that crap roster.
LeBron is neck and neck with Kobe and Kobe has all of those all star's.
No but back on topic, anything can happen but considering the Lakers are trying to repeat and last year did all of this for the most part already... I mean I dislike it as much as any Celtics fan would.
I want to see SA or Boston win realistically... Denver against tougher odds.
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