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Post by user9327 on May 11, 2010 20:45:06 GMT -5
LeBron has only taken 4 shots.... yes, only 4 shots and we're in the 3rd quarter and they're losing bad.
I don't care if I sound like a ridiculous homer... but this looks like a recipe for his departure. It looks like he is creating reasons to leave.
Now until the ending of the Free Agency period is going to be the longest time of my life.
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Post by user9327 on May 11, 2010 21:58:19 GMT -5
Wow... after only taking 4 shots halfway through the 3rd... only two other Cav's players ended up in double digit scoring.
Why would/should LeBron stay in Cleveland again? Remember, they do not have any cap space to sign a single free agent...
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Post by Mac Miller on May 11, 2010 22:27:54 GMT -5
Wow... after only taking 4 shots halfway through the 3rd... only two other Cav's players ended up in double digit scoring. Why would/should LeBron stay in Cleveland again? Remember, they do not have any cap space to sign a single free agent... Remember, they do have Antawn Jamison and Mo Williams as a supporting cast around him. The Knicks have....oh wait they traded him....OH YEAH! they have!, nope he was traded for cap space too....but what about! no wait they let him walk. Yeah...can't think of ANYONE they have who'd be a starter on a championship team. But your right. He is going to be mad that he can't win a title in Cleveland, and will leave for the mother load of teams in the Knicks so a championship is a lock...
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Post by carly1988 on May 11, 2010 22:38:05 GMT -5
Wow... after only taking 4 shots halfway through the 3rd... only two other Cav's players ended up in double digit scoring. Why would/should LeBron stay in Cleveland again? Remember, they do not have any cap space to sign a single free agent... Remember, they do have Antawn Jamison and Mo Williams as a supporting cast around him. The Knicks have....oh wait they traded him....OH YEAH! they have!, nope he was traded for cap space too....but what about! no wait they let him walk. Yeah...can't think of ANYONE they have who'd be a starter on a championship team. NY is a type of team that can build around a player though. I can honestly see NY signing James and then Wade/Bosh to go with it. Cleveland is just a piss poor run team IMO. I mean did they really think 56yo Shaq and Jamison were gonna help Lebron get to the NBA finals. I hate the Lebron hype and really dont like Lebron either but I cant blame him for his "failures" the Cavs have not even tried to put a team around him. Especially knowing Boston, LA, Orlando have the teams that they do.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on May 11, 2010 22:39:46 GMT -5
Knicks or anyone will not sign Wade and Lebron, just for the pure fact that they wont be able to co-exist.
Lebron + Bosh/Amare/Johnson/Gay/Lee is reasonable
Wade + Bosh/Amare/Johnson/Gay/Lee etc
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Post by user9327 on May 11, 2010 23:21:48 GMT -5
Wow... after only taking 4 shots halfway through the 3rd... only two other Cav's players ended up in double digit scoring. Why would/should LeBron stay in Cleveland again? Remember, they do not have any cap space to sign a single free agent... Remember, they do have Antawn Jamison and Mo Williams as a supporting cast around him. The Knicks have....oh wait they traded him....OH YEAH! they have!, nope he was traded for cap space too....but what about! no wait they let him walk. Yeah...can't think of ANYONE they have who'd be a starter on a championship team. But your right. He is going to be mad that he can't win a title in Cleveland, and will leave for the mother load of teams in the Knicks so a championship is a lock... Apparently you've never watched the Knicks this season... they aren't a joke anymore. Antawn Jamison had 9 points tonight, BTW. Mo Williams? He had 9 points as well. But the reality is... nobody knows what he's going to do or what the Knicks will get. I've said time and time again, I'll be happy with Joe Johnson and Carlos Boozer. I just want to compete, it's been 10 years of supporting the same losing team. It's not like the Yankees where there is no salary cap, real Knicks fans have paid their dues the hard way.
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Post by user9327 on May 11, 2010 23:24:37 GMT -5
I also agree that LeBron and Wade would be a bit of a cluster.
My dream situation is LeBron, Dirk (as a secondary option next to Danilo's shooting, blow a load right now) and David Lee (rebounds and can hit the mid range open jumper when LeBron drives). But yea, slim chances.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on May 11, 2010 23:56:19 GMT -5
I dont think Dirk opts out, even though he should.
If Bron does leave Cleveland and deems Chicago a bad place or Wade beats him there, then I think NY with a mix of Lee/Johnson going there.
I think Bosh heads to OKC or Houston, I'd bet Houston right now.
Rudy Gay will go to the Clippers
Wade is staying or Chicago
Bron is staying or NY
Amare is staying
Pierce is staying
Johnson will go wherever he is paid the most...NY or Chicago
Boozer will go wherever Amare does not land and whoever pays him the most money
I dunno who I am forgetting
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Post by Tim of thee on May 12, 2010 2:50:01 GMT -5
LeBron has only taken 4 shots.... yes, only 4 shots and we're in the 3rd quarter and they're losing bad. I don't care if I sound like a ridiculous homer... but this looks like a recipe for his departure. It looks like he is creating reasons to leave. Now until the ending of the Free Agency period is going to be the longest time of my life. so Lebron is turning in his chances at a championship to don the orange and blue in new york?
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Post by Mac Miller on May 12, 2010 7:04:48 GMT -5
Remember, they do have Antawn Jamison and Mo Williams as a supporting cast around him. The Knicks have....oh wait they traded him....OH YEAH! they have!, nope he was traded for cap space too....but what about! no wait they let him walk. Yeah...can't think of ANYONE they have who'd be a starter on a championship team. But your right. He is going to be mad that he can't win a title in Cleveland, and will leave for the mother load of teams in the Knicks so a championship is a lock... Apparently you've never watched the Knicks this season... they aren't a joke anymore. Antawn Jamison had 9 points tonight, BTW. Mo Williams? He had 9 points as well. But the reality is... nobody knows what he's going to do or what the Knicks will get. I've said time and time again, I'll be happy with Joe Johnson and Carlos Boozer. I just want to compete, it's been 10 years of supporting the same losing team. It's not like the Yankees where there is no salary cap, real Knicks fans have paid their dues the hard way. Alright, they weren't a joke this year. But how many of those guys are under contract next year? They're basically starting from scratch, something LeBron has been through before. He wants a championship, better yet he NEEDS a championship to cement his legacy. If he has to wait two or three years before the Knicks are legit championship contenders and then only has a couple year window to win one, there is a chance he could finish his career without a ring. At least in Cleveland there is a chance EVERY year of them making it to the finals. And I didn't know one game defined players careers. Mo and AJ had 9 points each, this ONE game makes them completely awful. And if that is the case, LeBron only had 15 points and shot 21% from the field tonight, hes AWFUL, how would you want to build around him?
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Post by spreedom8 on May 12, 2010 7:48:32 GMT -5
LeBron: "I spoil a lot of people with my play. When you have 3 bad games in a 7-year career, it is easy to point that out."
Oy.
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Post by user9327 on May 12, 2010 8:28:42 GMT -5
If any of you think this Cavs team has a chance at ferrying by Orlando or LA, you're probably wrong.
The first two games of this Boston series showed they were just as soft as last year concerning being a contender... and they even won game one.
As for him having no chance at a title in NY, that could change to just as good, if not better chances than Cleveland with 2 or 3 signings.
Wilson Chandler, Toney Douglas (20 and 10 multiple times at the end of the year while starting and winning mutiple games with his 4th quarter scoring, rookie), and Danilo are all on longer, cheap contracts.
Then there's the fact that the Knicks beat Boston, in Boston in April. And how they went to double OT with them in November and lost by a field goal.
Cleveland would win 20 games without LeBron.
The Knicks aren't much better.
But we've got to stop because he could come out next week and commit to a Cleveland extension and this is all moot.
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Post by T R W on May 12, 2010 8:47:11 GMT -5
I just want Atlanta to let JJ go, and get Wade or Bosh. And get a real coach. They could do that, but of course, they won't. Atlanta could be a great situation for some of these guys.
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Post by spreedom8 on May 12, 2010 9:31:35 GMT -5
I think yesterday's game was just the beginning of the end of LeBron in Cleveland. He has seemed increasingly disinterested as this series wore on (save for game 3, where he looked absolutely dominant) and the complete lack of effort he showed last night was painful and uncomfortable to watch. Him copping out and calling it a "bad game" last night was pretty laughable and I don't think he fooled anyone by saying that. He just didn't give a damn at any point in the game and it was extremely obvious. Adrian Wojnarowski from Yahoo! wrote a pretty good article about this last night: That sums up my opinion of LeBron pretty accurately. I think he's a hell of a talent (possibly the single most gifted individual player in the history of American sports) but I really feel like he doesn't want it enough sometimes. Right now the Cavaliers have a lot of really good players surrounding him. Guys like Shaq (despite his age and general lack of motivation since 2000), Antawn Jamison, Mo Williams, and Andersen Varejao are all very good role players who can be big pieces on a championship team. I feel the problem is that “LeBronball” doesn’t work. By that I mean you can’t have one player being the top scorer, rebounder, and assist man on one team and have that team win a championship in today’s NBA, because if you play 82 games in that system and run into a team that figures out how to stop that one guy, you’re absolutely screwed. In my personal opinion (which has little to no rock-solid statistical basis other than what I’ve seen, read, and heard about LeBron) I think LeBron likes “LeBronball” and insists on playing it. In the last 25 years, have we ever had a team set up like that (i.e. one perimeter player touching the ball on literally 90% of your possessions, including time spent on the bench) that’s been successful? Obviously, the Cavs’ current woes can’t be 100% attributed to LeBron (nor can they be blamed completely on the players around him), but as the undeniably the best player on Cleveland, he has to grow up and actually lead this team in ways that can’t be measured statistically. And I don’t see him figuring that out in time to win this series or a championship. And if he decides to bolt from Cleveland, a team built to win a championship, so we can go to a team like NY or NJ, it’s going to prove that money and individual notoriety are more important to him right now than championships. On a sidenote however, a nightclub in NYC is offering LeBron free lap dances for life if he signs with the Knicks, so I guess he might have the right idea after all.... missjia.com/free-lap-dances-lebron-james.html
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Post by T R W on May 12, 2010 9:58:09 GMT -5
Yeahk, I gotta agree with that article, and that it sums up how I feel about James too. But I guess that makes me a "hater."
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Post by Tim of thee on May 12, 2010 10:54:10 GMT -5
I feel like he is packing it in this season so he get get out of town.. that shows me his "competitive edge"
makes me question if he really does want to win a title...
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Post by Jamal on May 12, 2010 11:01:35 GMT -5
Everyone is eating LeBron alive, and he certainty deserves it. But one person who is getting lost in the shuffle is Mike Brown. He has no authority, and it seems like no one will go as far as even saying a word to the "king". A coach like Phil Jackson would let LeBron know about his lack of aggressiveness every timeout, and that is needed for someone like LeBron.
Also, the rest of the team has been pathetic, and Browns way of managing minutes is a huge reason for that.
Even with all that being said, LeBron looked like a role-player yesterday. Its funny how people compare him to MJ when he isn't even close to Kobe in terms of consistency. Call me crazy, but if I'm an owner who is strictly trying to win a championship, I'm going after Wade in FA.
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Post by carly1988 on May 12, 2010 11:14:26 GMT -5
When Lebron first came up I hated him just because of the hype but now when he goes out and says things like "I spoil people with my play." and "Ive had 3 bad games in my 7 year career"....It just makes me hate him even more. I mean really? 7 years and you've only had 3 bad games? So i guess all the losses you've had the past 7 years were the other guys faults. You played great huh Champ.....oh wait, You've never won a championship
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Post by Chicago on May 12, 2010 11:23:29 GMT -5
I am by no means a LeBron supporter and I actually really enjoyed that article, but I feel like all of this will blow over after Cleveland wins Game 6 and, presumably, Game 7 back at home.
I place a lot of the blame on Mike Brown and have never felt that he is the coach that will win LeBron multiple (or, hell, even one) championships as long as he consistently fails to make adjusts.
During Inside the NBA last night, I said to myself that I thought it would be close to impossible for Cleveland to lose Thursday's game. If LeBron is as great as he says he is, then he will show up to Game 6 and drop 35-40 on Boston and will finish with a near-triple double to get his team over this bump in the road.
The media, as usual, is completely blowing this out of proportion and one terrible game is not going to send LeBron packing unless he is the world's moodiest person and he personally sees no future in the organization. I seriously doubt that and, for as long as the talk has been about the Summer of 2010, I have no doubts that LeBron will still be a Cavalier next season and for many more after that.
He has everything he could want where he is, and by that I mean all of Cleveland's dedication and admiration and general blowing of him under the table. For someone who is so driven by his ego, and while I agree that New York would be a tempting restart of his career, I still don't see how leaving an established contender will result in immediate success for him elsewhere with a new coach, new teammates, and new organization.
If LeBron is unable to get past Boston or Orlando again in this year's playoffs, I still would not put it past him to stick with the Cavs and, borrowing from Bill Simmons, put together an ultimate "Eff You" season and corresponding playoffs in 2011 for his first NBA Championship.
Edit: Oh, and I forgot to mention, if LeBron wins said championship next year, I would bet everything that he has help along the way. Not just from select referees, but I could see Boston's decline and a major injury to Orlando handing him the NBA Finals on a silver platter with one series (against LAL, you would think) truly challenging him to play at a high level.
Then, naturally, all of the talk would begin as to whether his first championship was actually won by him or credited to the lack of someone else's presence (see: Houston's dominance during Michael Jordan's baseball sabbatical in the mid-90s).
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Post by user9327 on May 12, 2010 11:43:19 GMT -5
Everybody knows how I feel about LeBron.
All I'm gonna say is Cleveland is a crappy situation and Kobe verbally threw his team mates under the bus in similar circumstances with less success.
Yet none of you ever go after Kobe like you do LeBron. Arrogance? Cover or acknowledge Kobe's before you take the sword to LeBron. I'll admit he's not handling this with much integrity but I also would be sick of it too, if I were him.
Like I said, SOME of you look like haters when you have never taken the same sword to Kobe or even Dirk yesterday.
It's a bit too late, I've had to hear dellusions about Kobe for years in here... so I honestly don't take much merit from LeBron bashing put next to that. Even if there is sone truth... which unlike sone of you, I am capable of admitting about a player I like.
As for the new posters, I'm all for it. But you're a bit late and where were you for the last 3 playoffs where LeBron was putting on performances for the ages?
Paint whatever picture you want, you can't take this away; best player in the game and no where near as pompous, arrogant and destructive to his teams as Kobe has been. Nor does he have half the talent around him as LA, Boston, Orlando and even Denver and Dallas.
That's been my stance for years and I'd say it still holds true. Get your bashing in now, it's going to be a long 10 years of realizing; talk, is, cheap. Just ask Dirk No-win-ski.
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