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Post by iamkrang on May 12, 2010 12:24:14 GMT -5
I think LeBrons attitude during the game and post game is what people are really criticizing. Hes due for a bad game, but for a lack of effort staring at the ceiling and saying hes GREAT after getting blown out at home in game 5 deserves criticism.
Thats unprofessional to all of the people in the organization, ticket holders, and sponsors.
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Post by spreedom8 on May 12, 2010 12:25:51 GMT -5
Im not really an avid basketball fan so I really dont come here very often, but are you "that guy" in this thread? It is a team sport. But in the playoffs sometimes teams have holes that render them beaten. No matter what LeBron does, he can't make Mo Williams, Jamison and West into Pierce, Allen, Rondo and Garnett. Yet this makes him everything that glorified article said? Please. This all comes the dat after I've been called intellectually- disabled for calling Dirk out for getting 4 defensive rebounds in a close out game in the first round when he has a cast LeBron could dream of. That's all I'm getting at. Not so much your points... how contradictive and dellusional they are. And I still admit some merit to your concerns. But yesterday Born To Run came off like the exact opposite about Dirk. No give, all his way or you're intellectually- disabled right? And he ignores the facts or won't ever acknowledge them... But if I won't come out and say LeBron is all this half merited glorified, cosmopolitian-like content in thus article... I'm that guy? Yea ok. Have fun with LeBron over the next ten years. I guess he's that bad that he's going to self destruct or never get it. Right, just take back those MVP's there's no hope for the future. Again, just saying... |
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Post by user9327 on May 12, 2010 12:31:01 GMT -5
TRW I wasn't even talking about you take it easy. The face value thing is still true though, another member here doesn't judge other players with the same stance of attack and it's comical at this point that he doesn't realize I see right through it.
As for the guy who called me a "f-ing idiot" over basketball, lol. If you want to deal with that accordingly, so be it. But I could care less to read posts further than that opening set of words.
Like I said, I don't so much completely disagree with any of your OVERALL opinion about last night only. But I think the sensationalism is laughable and makes you guys look on LeBron's jock a lot more than I do.
It's like he stole all your girlfriends or something.
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Post by user9327 on May 12, 2010 12:34:05 GMT -5
Born to Run, what are you trying to prove?
That Dirk isn't a loser, LeBron is whatever or that you have a personal agenda against me?
Because your last two posts have been politicking about me and nothing else.
Let it die. You haven't been able to change my opinion and I'm making valid points.
Some agree, some don't.
But not one person agreed without about Dirk, not one. You had 4 or 5 people disagreeing. So yea... obviously you're personal. I get it.
Let it go.
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Post by user9327 on May 12, 2010 12:36:31 GMT -5
"I'm just sayin... lolz" and I appreciate your rationalism in this exact post and that's why we can get along. I wish another individual in this thread didn't take so many posts to realize that just maybe somebody sees through his agenda. That part is entirely opinion though. Im not trying to be an ass when I say "that guy" but it seems every sports thread has one. |
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Post by carly1988 on May 12, 2010 12:40:40 GMT -5
Ill admit James doesnt have a good team around him but its up to him to help the organization get players in. See something tells me that something is fishy when you have free agents like Bynum, Artest, Kidd, Odom, Turkoglu etc and none of them wanted to play with "the best player in basketball". If its Cleveland not wanting to payout for players then they're not showing much support in winning a championship IMO. However they were willing to take on Shaq salary even though I would say that a guy the likes of Bynum, Artest, Odom or eve Turoglu would be an upgrade over what you're getting from Shaq.
Something tells me that if Cleveland is willing to pay players but the top free agents dont want to go there that there might be some ill feelings towards James
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Post by user9327 on May 12, 2010 12:48:29 GMT -5
Cleveland didn't have the salary room to sign those guys....
Shaq's was through trade.
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Post by iamkrang on May 12, 2010 12:52:30 GMT -5
I still dont get the he doesnt have a good team around him statement. Williams, Shaq, Z and Jamison are all former all-stars. Granted Shaq and Z are past their primes but they are still feasible. They were the top 3 point shooting team in the league, in the top on all defensive stats, and Anderson Varejo was 2nd team all defensive NBA and had votes for NBA defensive player of the year and 6th man of the year awards.
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Post by carly1988 on May 12, 2010 12:58:06 GMT -5
Cleveland didn't have the salary room to sign those guys.... Shaq's was through trade. Then who are they paying all that money to? Surely to God Mo Williams isnt getting paid out the ass. I mean LA and Boston can afford to go out and pay a group of all stars but Cleveland can only pay LeBron and some random bodies to fill out their jerseys? |
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Post by user9327 on May 12, 2010 13:03:32 GMT -5
I still dont get the he doesnt have a good team around him statement. Williams, Shaq, Z and Jamison are all former all-stars. Granted Shaq and Z are past their primes but they are still feasible. They were the top 3 point shooting team in the league, in the top on all defensive stats, and Anderson Varejo was 2nd team all defensive NBA and had votes for NBA defensive player of the year and 6th man of the year awards. I partially agree with you. Especially about Varejao and Jamison. But Jamison hasn't shown up in Cleveland like he was in his prime and his overall number are almost nonexistant. Compared to LA and Boston the help he has isn't even close. But I see your point. The only thing I can tell you is, Varajao doesn't play nearly as much as he should and their coaching is pretty bad too. They really wouldn't win more than 20 games without LeBron, in my opinion. |
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Post by Greensborohill on May 12, 2010 13:05:24 GMT -5
I still dont get the he doesnt have a good team around him statement. Williams, Shaq, Z and Jamison are all former all-stars. Granted Shaq and Z are past their primes but they are still feasible. They were the top 3 point shooting team in the league, in the top on all defensive stats, and Anderson Varejo was 2nd team all defensive NBA and had votes for NBA defensive player of the year and 6th man of the year awards. I partially agree with you. Especially about Varejao and Jamison. But Jamison hasn't shown up in Cleveland like he was in his prime and his overall number are almost nonexistant. Compared to LA and Boston the help he has isn't even close. But I see your point. The only thing I can tell you is, Varajao doesn't play nearly as much as he should and their coaching is pretty bad too. They really wouldn't win more than 20 games without LeBron, in my opinion. Then how the hell do you not give Dirk a pass for the same thing. There wasn't one consistent second score that showed up the entire series. |
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Post by user9327 on May 12, 2010 13:07:40 GMT -5
Cleveland didn't have the salary room to sign those guys.... Shaq's was through trade. Then who are they paying all that money to? Surely to God Mo Williams isnt getting paid out the ass. I mean LA and Boston can afford to go out and pay a group of all stars but Cleveland can only pay LeBron and some random bodies to fill out their jerseys? Mo Williams got paid after one break out year playing shoot first point guard ball for a terrible Bucks team. It is what it is, I never thought he was worth that money. Last year Artest almost came to Cleveland but claimed LeBron wouldn't guarantee he'd be there after next season... or was that Ariza? Either way, it was a factor. Cleveland has been poorly managed for years. But panicked last Summer and this trade deadline in hopes of it working out. It was all they could do but it's turning out to be the wrong management moves. Now they are over the cap with their roster. It's a combination of a lot of things but like I've said all along, who knows where or what LeBron is going to do? |
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Post by user9327 on May 12, 2010 13:13:06 GMT -5
To the guy who called me a  ing idiot. I shouldn't even ackowledge you but... Because Dirk has a resume that consists of being the 1st and 2nd seed and losing on the first round with different supporting casts. He's also been a career loser as a franchise with many, many different teams and opportunities. Look what LeBron did in his Finals run with Daniel Gibson and virtually nobody else at such a young age. The next year he also pushed the eventual champion Celtics to a 7thgame where he barely lost in the Final minute. The Lakers th next round? Go embarassed by like 40 points and also in the series. Just saying, if LeBron quit last night, post his line then. If you call that quitting, then he quit with far less than kobe ever had around him and he also outperformed him against Boston in 2008 with far less. |
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Post by carly1988 on May 12, 2010 13:13:50 GMT -5
Then who are they paying all that money to? Surely to God Mo Williams isnt getting paid out the ass. I mean LA and Boston can afford to go out and pay a group of all stars but Cleveland can only pay LeBron and some random bodies to fill out their jerseys? Mo Williams got paid after one break out year playing shoot first point guard ball for a terrible Bucks team. It is what it is, I never thought he was worth that money. Last year Artest almost came to Cleveland but claimed LeBron wouldn't guarantee he'd be there after next season... or was that Ariza? Either way, it was a factor. Cleveland has been poorly managed for years. But panicked last Summer and this trade deadline in hopes of it working out. It was all they could do but it's turning out to be the wrong management moves. Now they are over the cap with their roster. It's a combination of a lot of things but like I've said all along, who knows where or what LeBron is going to do? I remember the Ariza deal now that you bring it up, and see thats LeBrons fault. If he truly wanted to win a title and truly wanted to make Cleveland his home, then he would have said "yea Ill be here" does that mean you have to go out and sign an extension the next day? No but do what you have to do as the star and face of the team to help build a team around you. He didnt and now he's paying for it. In a case like that, LeBron has nobody to blame but himself. |
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Post by spreedom8 on May 12, 2010 13:13:40 GMT -5
Born to Run, what are you trying to prove? That Dirk isn't a loser, LeBron is whatever or that you have a personal agenda against me? Because your last two posts have been politicking about me and nothing else. Let it die. You haven't been able to change my opinion and I'm making valid points. Some agree, some don't. But not one person agreed without about Dirk, not one. You had 4 or 5 people disagreeing. So yea... obviously you're personal. I get it. Let it go. Lighten up man. I don't have any reason to have anything personal against you. We just disagree. Let it go. |
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Post by user9327 on May 12, 2010 13:14:42 GMT -5
Sorry for the typos, I'm on a handheld
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Post by user9327 on May 12, 2010 13:22:23 GMT -5
Ariza wanted a guarantee... I'd say an extension is a guarantee.
Cleveland sucks, plain and simple. I mean look at it this way guys, if he goes to NY or somewhere else and they stack players and he fails or "quits," then we all have all the reason in the world to believe the sensationalism. But right now it's a bit over the top.
Born to Run, I'm honesly sick of wasting my energy on you. I can't even waste anymore time on it; you PM me and act rational and apologize and then you come in here and play aggressive, irrational and politic against me like I'm some bad guy or something.
I'm sick of you "agree to disagree" crap. You don't practice what you preach consistently, only when it's convienent for you. It appears you have some sort of "one upping" vendetta over me, or that is how I feel. I realze you'll try to turn a new face and take the high road for the sake of whatever reason you repeat this crap for. But just remember, in the last 24 hours you've called me intellectually- disabled and then PMed to apologize then the next day come in here to politic against me personally. Then tell me it's not personal.
I really don't like interacting with you. I'm sorry.
Other than that i've enjoyed talking ball in here... even if I'm that guy.
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Post by spreedom8 on May 12, 2010 13:27:04 GMT -5
Just saying... I called an argument intellectually- disabled and didn't mean to direct it towards you -- now you're just choosing to believe I did so you can use it against me. But I apologized immediately and feel like I don't need to explain myself anymore (even if you insist on bringing it up every time we disagree in the future, but that's completely your choice).
But come on... I'm only being as critical of LeBron as you were of Dirk... except I've been saying consistently for over a year that LeBron is hands down the best player in the league. And I haven't directed any criticism of LeBron towards you.
Let's just talk basketball.
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Post by Jamal on May 12, 2010 13:28:30 GMT -5
Chicago would be the best option if he indeed left Cleveland. I think they would be automatic championship contender with LeBron and all the talent they already have.
I can't say the same about New York. At least not at the moment.
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Post by Quanthor on May 12, 2010 13:40:10 GMT -5
LeBron has the second deepest team in the league behind Orlando. True, he doesn't have that second tier guy that's in the top 20 in the league like Kobe has in Gasol but not many teams do. I think he has enough to win...so, either LeBron is as good as everyone makes him out to be or he isn't, either he has that killer drive or he doesn't.
I think he does, but he doesn't let it out enough and he often coasts on his skill level alone. I've seen him channel that inner beast before and it's a scary thing to see but more often than not he's King James the playful star and not LeBron James the player. That team needs a change in mentality, no more gags, no more theatrics, no more hand jiving, no more dancing and start playing like you want to kill everyone instead of playing like you're auditioning for Broadway. This starts with LeBron, the team has his personality, so he needs to change his demeanor first and the rest will follow.
The other problem is the coaching there in Cleveland, there's no explanation to why they are taking the same approach and not making the adjustments that's needed to win game after game other than M.Brown is a jackass. I think the consensus is that they should run, but yet they're lollygagging up the court. They're giving the C's space instead of pressuring the ball and forcing them to shoot with haste. Blitz them and force them to shoot early and that will help the Cavs transition game and enable them to speed up the tempo. Also, change the lineup and go small with energy players.
Ultimately, those are the two things that have to change there in Cleveland if they want to win. 1. A new coach 2. A new mentality. Unfortunately for Cavs fans, it might be too little too late for now and for tomorrow.
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