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Post by Mirror Images on Dec 14, 2009 9:37:20 GMT -5
This isnt just about Sheamus' title win but about wrestlers in general who always just seem to get pushes and never really seem to be out of favour with WWE.
Guys like Matt Hardy, Shelton Benjamin etc always seem to be up and down and never seem to have much luck. Sheamus is an example of someone who just seemed to get a push straight away and get the title without really having to do much.
Charlie Hass is another guy who always seems to never quite get a full push and has alot of bad luck.
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Post by muccguy88 on Dec 14, 2009 9:48:01 GMT -5
Ur right but at the same time how would guys like shelty do in the title picture. Shelty is horrible on the mic. He barely makes sense wen he speaks and he always stumbles thru promos. Matt hardy has developed to possible champion status however.
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Post by June on Dec 14, 2009 9:51:09 GMT -5
Bad luck or lack of sufficient talent to warrant a leading role? I'm going with the latter.
Matt Hardy has always been the Marty to Jeff's Shawn. Matt has had his chance to break through the glass ceiling and could not, which is why he is midcard for life, which is not a bad place to be in considering he is well paid. Just becuase he has been around for years does not mean he should be rewarded with a World Title. His reward is his weekly, or bi-weekly paychecks.
Shelton Benjamen was placed with Angle and could not get over, Shelton was placed in a program where got clean pinfall victories over Triple H and could not get over, he was given multiple US & IC Title runs that did nothing but devalue the title. Shelton is a great athlete but a poor wrestler. You can not have a ladder match every night which is why he will never be over and as a result he will never be World Champion.
Charlie Haas = Enhancement talent.
Sheamus is talented, big, has a unique look and judging by last night, he not only has the faith of the WWE, but also the attention of the fans. Why is it that most people on this forum could not recognize talent if it were slapping them in the face, and choose to conduct themselves as if they are talent agents scouring the wrestling landscape for the next uncharismatic curtain-jerker to get behind so they can bitch and moan when said performer gets "buried".
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Dec 14, 2009 9:52:53 GMT -5
I think the best answer is Kane. He's had so many open ended fueds and pushes that have culminated with jack sh** that it's not even funny. Not to say that he hasn't had a good career, but he probably holds the world record for number one conmtender spots.
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Dec 14, 2009 9:57:41 GMT -5
Bad luck or lack of sufficient talent to warrant a leading role? I'm going with the latter. Matt Hardy has always been the Marty to Jeff's Shawn. Matt has had his chance to break through the glass ceiling and could not, which is why he is midcard for life, which is not a bad place to be in considering he is well paid. Just becuase he has been around for years does not mean he should be rewarded with a World Title. His reward is his weekly, or bi-weekly paychecks. Shelton Benjamen was placed with Angle and could not get over, Shelton was placed in a program where got clean pinfall victories over Triple H and could not get over, he was given multiple US & IC Title runs that did nothing but devalue the title. Shelton is a great athlete but a poor wrestler. You can not have a ladder match every night which is why he will never be over and as a result he will never be World Champion. Charlie Haas = Enhancement talent. Sheamus is talented, big, has a unique look and judging by last night, he not only has the faith of the WWE, but also the attention of the fans. Why is it that most people on this forum could not recognize talent if it were slapping them in the face, and choose to conduct themselves as if they are talent agents scouring the wrestling landscape for the next uncharismatic curtain-jerker to get behind so they can bitch and moan when said performer gets "buried". So Shelton isn't a good wreslter, but you turn around and say that Sheamus is? I'm not saying that Sheamus sucks (even though I don't like him), but Shelton's had plenty of great matches that prove beyond doubt that he's a good pro wrestler. He's only been reduced to WWE's anual spot monkey around Wrestlemania time. The rest of the year he wrestles his *** off on ECW and SmackDown. Yeah he's a great athlete, but can go too.
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Post by White Trash Lucha on Dec 14, 2009 9:58:29 GMT -5
I think the best answer is Kane. He's had so many open ended fueds and pushes that have culminated with jack sh** that it's not even funny. Not to say that he hasn't had a good career, but he probably holds the world record for number one conmtender spots.It's been said allot that Kane has been offered the WWE/WHC on numerous times but has declined to let other talent go for it.
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Dec 14, 2009 10:01:18 GMT -5
I think the best answer is Kane. He's had so many open ended fueds and pushes that have culminated with jack sh** that it's not even funny. Not to say that he hasn't had a good career, but he probably holds the world record for number one conmtender spots.It's been said allot that Kane has been offered the WWE/WHC on numerous times but has declined to let other talent go for it. I'm totally col with that. Heck, I admire him for it. But the amount of angles he's had that didn't end or just ended horribly are just to many one should have IMO.
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Post by ● kaneisdaman ● on Dec 14, 2009 10:30:11 GMT -5
I wouldnt say he holds the record for number one contender spots cause he actually doesnt challenge for championships much at all, its only on the very odd occasion when, as the thread suggests, the time is right. He never seems to make it far enough to even the number one contendership spot.
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Post by June on Dec 14, 2009 10:30:42 GMT -5
Bad luck or lack of sufficient talent to warrant a leading role? I'm going with the latter. Matt Hardy has always been the Marty to Jeff's Shawn. Matt has had his chance to break through the glass ceiling and could not, which is why he is midcard for life, which is not a bad place to be in considering he is well paid. Just becuase he has been around for years does not mean he should be rewarded with a World Title. His reward is his weekly, or bi-weekly paychecks. Shelton Benjamen was placed with Angle and could not get over, Shelton was placed in a program where got clean pinfall victories over Triple H and could not get over, he was given multiple US & IC Title runs that did nothing but devalue the title. Shelton is a great athlete but a poor wrestler. You can not have a ladder match every night which is why he will never be over and as a result he will never be World Champion. Charlie Haas = Enhancement talent. Sheamus is talented, big, has a unique look and judging by last night, he not only has the faith of the WWE, but also the attention of the fans. Why is it that most people on this forum could not recognize talent if it were slapping them in the face, and choose to conduct themselves as if they are talent agents scouring the wrestling landscape for the next uncharismatic curtain-jerker to get behind so they can bitch and moan when said performer gets "buried". So Shelton isn't a good wreslter, but you turn around and say that Sheamus is? I'm not saying that Sheamus sucks (even though I don't like him), but Shelton's had plenty of great matches that prove beyond doubt that he's a good pro wrestler. He's only been reduced to WWE's anual spot monkey around Wrestlemania time. The rest of the year he wrestles his *** off on ECW and SmackDown. Yeah he's a great athlete, but can go too. Ok allow me to drop some knowledge on those that seem to be wrestling intellectually- disabled. Pro Wrestling is not a real sport, it is a simulated athletic contest that see's it's performers enacting the struggle between good and evil in an effort to entertain the audience enough to make them suspend their disbelief enough to react to the performers actions by either cheering their actions, or admonishing them with boos. The Pro Wrestlers responsibility is to showcase his skills, as well as his opponents in a way that allows him to develop a fan following, and the greater the fan following the more successful the pro wrestler becomes. A Pro Wrestler with a large fan following posses the ability to tell an intriguing story in the ring by using logic and ring psychology. Once the Pro Wrestler establishes a fan base, he must be able to maintain it. During a wrestling match the successful Pro Wrestler must not insult the intelligence of the fans by employing poor ring psychology. The objective of a wrestling match is to allow the audience to suspend their disbelief, not insult their intelligence. The successful pro wrestler must perform their maneuvers in a crisp professional manner and not appear to be a sloppy intermediate performer. A successful Pro Wrestler with aspirations to be a mainevent performer must be charismatic, he must a have compelling personality, and physical appearance & most importantly the successful professional wrestler must express himself verbally in an effort to self-promote himself to draw in new fans, while entertaining those that he already has. Once the successful Pro Wrestler has been placed in a position of trust by the wrestling promoter, he must maintain and add to his momentum, and not regress. When a Championship is given to a successful Pro Wrestler, he must add value to the Championship rather than devalue it. The successful Pro Wrestler learns from his mistakes and corrects them, has the ability to recreate himself, and can make whatever match he is in seem important. The successful Pro Wrestler is not Shelton Benjamen. Sheamus is still new, but has the faith of the WWE behind him, something WWE once had in Shelton before he proved to them that you can not polish a turd and make it shine.
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Post by Mirror Images on Dec 14, 2009 11:10:16 GMT -5
So Shelton isn't a good wreslter, but you turn around and say that Sheamus is? I'm not saying that Sheamus sucks (even though I don't like him), but Shelton's had plenty of great matches that prove beyond doubt that he's a good pro wrestler. He's only been reduced to WWE's anual spot monkey around Wrestlemania time. The rest of the year he wrestles his *** off on ECW and SmackDown. Yeah he's a great athlete, but can go too. Ok allow me to drop some knowledge on those that seem to be wrestling intellectually- disabled. Pro Wrestling is not a real sport, it is a simulated athletic contest that see's it's performers enacting the struggle between good and evil in an effort to entertain the audience enough to make them suspend their disbelief enough to react to the performers actions by either cheering their actions, or admonishing them with boos. The Pro Wrestlers responsibility is to showcase his skills, as well as his opponents in a way that allows him to develop a fan following, and the greater the fan following the more successful the pro wrestler becomes. A Pro Wrestler with a large fan following posses the ability to tell an intriguing story in the ring by using logic and ring psychology. Once the Pro Wrestler establishes a fan base, he must be able to maintain it. During a wrestling match the successful Pro Wrestler must not insult the intelligence of the fans by employing poor ring psychology. The objective of a wrestling match is to allow the audience to suspend their disbelief, not insult their intelligence. The successful pro wrestler must perform their maneuvers in a crisp professional manner and not appear to be a sloppy intermediate performer. A successful Pro Wrestler with aspirations to be a mainevent performer must be charismatic, he must a have compelling personality, and physical appearance & most importantly the successful professional wrestler must express himself verbally in an effort to self-promote himself to draw in new fans, while entertaining those that he already has. Once the successful Pro Wrestler has been placed in a position of trust by the wrestling promoter, he must maintain and add to his momentum, and not regress. When a Championship is given to a successful Pro Wrestler, he must add value to the Championship rather than devalue it. The successful Pro Wrestler learns from his mistakes and corrects them, has the ability to recreate himself, and can make whatever match he is in seem important. The successful Pro Wrestler is not Shelton Benjamen. Sheamus is still new, but has the faith of the WWE behind him, something WWE once had in Shelton before he proved to them that you can not polish a turd and make it shine. Other things that are out of a wrestlers control maybe also influence how far they move up the card. Backstage politics is a huge reason why some dont get a proper push they deserve (RVD for example in 2001 when he was the most over in the WWE). Also you have to look at the push they are given, Shelton Benjamin did beat Triple H in their feud yes, but the way it was presented was as a fluke. He didnt move up to the main event status because of the way WWE made it appear that he wasnt Triple H's equal and he just got lucky with the win. Once the fans see that hes not able to compete with Triple H then the start to lose interest in him. WWE then takes this as Shelton Benjamin not getting over with the fans when in reality he wasnt presented in the right way in the first place to get over.
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Post by June on Dec 14, 2009 11:19:59 GMT -5
Ok allow me to drop some knowledge on those that seem to be wrestling intellectually- disabled. Pro Wrestling is not a real sport, it is a simulated athletic contest that see's it's performers enacting the struggle between good and evil in an effort to entertain the audience enough to make them suspend their disbelief enough to react to the performers actions by either cheering their actions, or admonishing them with boos. The Pro Wrestlers responsibility is to showcase his skills, as well as his opponents in a way that allows him to develop a fan following, and the greater the fan following the more successful the pro wrestler becomes. A Pro Wrestler with a large fan following posses the ability to tell an intriguing story in the ring by using logic and ring psychology. Once the Pro Wrestler establishes a fan base, he must be able to maintain it. During a wrestling match the successful Pro Wrestler must not insult the intelligence of the fans by employing poor ring psychology. The objective of a wrestling match is to allow the audience to suspend their disbelief, not insult their intelligence. The successful pro wrestler must perform their maneuvers in a crisp professional manner and not appear to be a sloppy intermediate performer. A successful Pro Wrestler with aspirations to be a mainevent performer must be charismatic, he must a have compelling personality, and physical appearance & most importantly the successful professional wrestler must express himself verbally in an effort to self-promote himself to draw in new fans, while entertaining those that he already has. Once the successful Pro Wrestler has been placed in a position of trust by the wrestling promoter, he must maintain and add to his momentum, and not regress. When a Championship is given to a successful Pro Wrestler, he must add value to the Championship rather than devalue it. The successful Pro Wrestler learns from his mistakes and corrects them, has the ability to recreate himself, and can make whatever match he is in seem important. The successful Pro Wrestler is not Shelton Benjamen. Sheamus is still new, but has the faith of the WWE behind him, something WWE once had in Shelton before he proved to them that you can not polish a turd and make it shine. Alot of what you said it true but other things that are out of a wrestlers control maybe also influence how far they move up the card. Backstage politics is a huge reason why some dont get a proper push they deserve (RVD for example in 2001 when he was the most over in the WWE). Also you have to look at the push they are given, Shelton Benjamin did beat Triple H in their feud yes, but the way it was presented was as a fluke. He didnt move up to the main event status because of the way WWE made it appear that he wasnt Triple H's equal and he just got lucky with the win. Once the fans see that hes not able to compete with Triple H then the start to lose interest in him. WWE then takes this as Shelton Benjamin not getting over with the fans when in reality he wasnt presented in the right way in the first place to get over. Being given the keys to palace has a lot to do with having the faith and trust of the top brass, RVD did not have that and there were many other more qualified stars on the roster in 2001. Let's also not forget that when RVD did get the keys to the palace, he lost them in 2006. Shelton was not made to look as if he was not in the same class with Triple H, his lack of ring psychology did that and he has not improved one bit in 5 years. He also could not self-promote himself on the mic. The WWE realizes that he does have some value, which is why he is still employed and gets title devaluing reigns every year in the hopes that something will click, but it wont. Once Shelton looses his youthful looks and athleticism he will be on the chopping block.
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Post by dgnr8 on Dec 14, 2009 11:34:54 GMT -5
Like I said earlier, its not a matter of talent...
Sheamus and HHH are weight partners and HHH took a liking to him. It is amazing what you can accomplish when HHH is a personal connection.
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Dec 14, 2009 11:49:37 GMT -5
So Shelton isn't a good wreslter, but you turn around and say that Sheamus is? I'm not saying that Sheamus sucks (even though I don't like him), but Shelton's had plenty of great matches that prove beyond doubt that he's a good pro wrestler. He's only been reduced to WWE's anual spot monkey around Wrestlemania time. The rest of the year he wrestles his *** off on ECW and SmackDown. Yeah he's a great athlete, but can go too. Ok allow me to drop some knowledge on those that seem to be wrestling intellectually- disabled. Pro Wrestling is not a real sport, it is a simulated athletic contest that see's it's performers enacting the struggle between good and evil in an effort to entertain the audience enough to make them suspend their disbelief enough to react to the performers actions by either cheering their actions, or admonishing them with boos. The Pro Wrestlers responsibility is to showcase his skills, as well as his opponents in a way that allows him to develop a fan following, and the greater the fan following the more successful the pro wrestler becomes. A Pro Wrestler with a large fan following posses the ability to tell an intriguing story in the ring by using logic and ring psychology. Once the Pro Wrestler establishes a fan base, he must be able to maintain it. During a wrestling match the successful Pro Wrestler must not insult the intelligence of the fans by employing poor ring psychology. The objective of a wrestling match is to allow the audience to suspend their disbelief, not insult their intelligence. The successful pro wrestler must perform their maneuvers in a crisp professional manner and not appear to be a sloppy intermediate performer. A successful Pro Wrestler with aspirations to be a mainevent performer must be charismatic, he must a have compelling personality, and physical appearance & most importantly the successful professional wrestler must express himself verbally in an effort to self-promote himself to draw in new fans, while entertaining those that he already has. Once the successful Pro Wrestler has been placed in a position of trust by the wrestling promoter, he must maintain and add to his momentum, and not regress. When a Championship is given to a successful Pro Wrestler, he must add value to the Championship rather than devalue it. The successful Pro Wrestler learns from his mistakes and corrects them, has the ability to recreate himself, and can make whatever match he is in seem important. The successful Pro Wrestler is not Shelton Benjamen. Sheamus is still new, but has the faith of the WWE behind him, something WWE once had in Shelton before he proved to them that you can not polish a turd and make it shine. He's had great matches, one on one mathes at that. Matches that the crowd loved. It's not Shelton's fault if he holds the title and only defends it in pointless matches that lead to nothing. WWE has the power to make their fans love or hate alomst anyone they want to. So don't make it like he's been given numerous shots at the top and flopped because it's not the case. Benjamin's win over Triple H was condidered a fluke for storyline purposes. It was just as significant as Maven eliminating The Undertaker from the rumble. His tag matches in the mid 00's and title matches with the like of RVD, Morrison, and match with HBK are more than proof that he has what it takes and doesn't have to be carried anywhere. If WWE wants to give him a title, they will. If they want him to wow the crowd for 10 minutes every week then they will, and they have. Sheamus is living proof that you don't need mic skills to be the top dog. Nothing you said proves that he's not a great on ring performer. It just proves that you're a condescending smark that can write a fancy paragraph.
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Post by Starscream on Dec 14, 2009 12:07:44 GMT -5
Bad luck or lack of sufficient talent to warrant a leading role? I'm going with the latter. Matt Hardy has always been the Marty to Jeff's Shawn. Matt has had his chance to break through the glass ceiling and could not, which is why he is midcard for life, which is not a bad place to be in considering he is well paid. Just becuase he has been around for years does not mean he should be rewarded with a World Title. His reward is his weekly, or bi-weekly paychecks.
Shelton Benjamen was placed with Angle and could not get over, Shelton was placed in a program where got clean pinfall victories over Triple H and could not get over, he was given multiple US & IC Title runs that did nothing but devalue the title. Shelton is a great athlete but a poor wrestler. You can not have a ladder match every night which is why he will never be over and as a result he will never be World Champion. Charlie Haas = Enhancement talent. Sheamus is talented, big, has a unique look and judging by last night, he not only has the faith of the WWE, but also the attention of the fans. Why is it that most people on this forum could not recognize talent if it were slapping them in the face, and choose to conduct themselves as if they are talent agents scouring the wrestling landscape for the next uncharismatic curtain-jerker to get behind so they can bitch and moan when said performer gets "buried". I dont think so,Matt is better wrestler than Jeff, Hell even MORE charismatic than Jeff,Jeff got the spot only cuz he is "extreme" for me Jeff is nothing more than a glorified stuntman,like a great champion said,thats not wrestling.
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Post by June on Dec 14, 2009 12:09:15 GMT -5
Ok allow me to drop some knowledge on those that seem to be wrestling intellectually- disabled. Pro Wrestling is not a real sport, it is a simulated athletic contest that see's it's performers enacting the struggle between good and evil in an effort to entertain the audience enough to make them suspend their disbelief enough to react to the performers actions by either cheering their actions, or admonishing them with boos. The Pro Wrestlers responsibility is to showcase his skills, as well as his opponents in a way that allows him to develop a fan following, and the greater the fan following the more successful the pro wrestler becomes. A Pro Wrestler with a large fan following posses the ability to tell an intriguing story in the ring by using logic and ring psychology. Once the Pro Wrestler establishes a fan base, he must be able to maintain it. During a wrestling match the successful Pro Wrestler must not insult the intelligence of the fans by employing poor ring psychology. The objective of a wrestling match is to allow the audience to suspend their disbelief, not insult their intelligence. The successful pro wrestler must perform their maneuvers in a crisp professional manner and not appear to be a sloppy intermediate performer. A successful Pro Wrestler with aspirations to be a mainevent performer must be charismatic, he must a have compelling personality, and physical appearance & most importantly the successful professional wrestler must express himself verbally in an effort to self-promote himself to draw in new fans, while entertaining those that he already has. Once the successful Pro Wrestler has been placed in a position of trust by the wrestling promoter, he must maintain and add to his momentum, and not regress. When a Championship is given to a successful Pro Wrestler, he must add value to the Championship rather than devalue it. The successful Pro Wrestler learns from his mistakes and corrects them, has the ability to recreate himself, and can make whatever match he is in seem important. The successful Pro Wrestler is not Shelton Benjamen. Sheamus is still new, but has the faith of the WWE behind him, something WWE once had in Shelton before he proved to them that you can not polish a turd and make it shine. He's had great matches, one on one mathes at that. Matches that the crowd loved. It's not Shelton's fault if he holds the title and only defends it in pointless matches that lead to nothing. WWE has the power to make their fans love or hate alomst anyone they want to. So don't make it like he's been given numerous shots at the top and flopped because it's not the case. Benjamin's win over Triple H was condidered a fluke for storyline purposes. It was just as significant as Maven eliminating The Undertaker from the rumble. His tag matches in the mid 00's and title matches with the like of RVD, Morrison, and match with HBK are more than proof that he has what it takes and doesn't have to be carried anywhere. If WWE wants to give him a title, they will. If they want him to wow the crowd for 10 minutes every week then they will, and they have. Sheamus is living proof that you don't need mic skills to be the top dog. Nothing you said proves that he's not a great on ring performer. It just proves that you're a condescending smark that can write a fancy paragraph. What I say may not prove that Shelton is not a great in ring performer, but his work inside of the ring proves that he in fact is not a great ring performer. He is not even a good gymnast seeing as how botchy he can be. I'm just a wrestling fan posting on a msg board, I'm no smark. I don't apply star ratings to matches and cream myself over Puro matches so please don't insult me by calling me a smark.
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Post by BlackSwagger on Dec 14, 2009 12:14:14 GMT -5
Ok allow me to drop some knowledge on those that seem to be wrestling intellectually- disabled. Pro Wrestling is not a real sport, it is a simulated athletic contest that see's it's performers enacting the struggle between good and evil in an effort to entertain the audience enough to make them suspend their disbelief enough to react to the performers actions by either cheering their actions, or admonishing them with boos. The Pro Wrestlers responsibility is to showcase his skills, as well as his opponents in a way that allows him to develop a fan following, and the greater the fan following the more successful the pro wrestler becomes. A Pro Wrestler with a large fan following posses the ability to tell an intriguing story in the ring by using logic and ring psychology. Once the Pro Wrestler establishes a fan base, he must be able to maintain it. During a wrestling match the successful Pro Wrestler must not insult the intelligence of the fans by employing poor ring psychology. The objective of a wrestling match is to allow the audience to suspend their disbelief, not insult their intelligence. The successful pro wrestler must perform their maneuvers in a crisp professional manner and not appear to be a sloppy intermediate performer. A successful Pro Wrestler with aspirations to be a mainevent performer must be charismatic, he must a have compelling personality, and physical appearance & most importantly the successful professional wrestler must express himself verbally in an effort to self-promote himself to draw in new fans, while entertaining those that he already has. Once the successful Pro Wrestler has been placed in a position of trust by the wrestling promoter, he must maintain and add to his momentum, and not regress. When a Championship is given to a successful Pro Wrestler, he must add value to the Championship rather than devalue it. The successful Pro Wrestler learns from his mistakes and corrects them, has the ability to recreate himself, and can make whatever match he is in seem important. The successful Pro Wrestler is not Shelton Benjamen. Sheamus is still new, but has the faith of the WWE behind him, something WWE once had in Shelton before he proved to them that you can not polish a turd and make it shine. He's had great matches, one on one mathes at that. Matches that the crowd loved. It's not Shelton's fault if he holds the title and only defends it in pointless matches that lead to nothing. WWE has the power to make their fans love or hate alomst anyone they want to. So don't make it like he's been given numerous shots at the top and flopped because it's not the case. Benjamin's win over Triple H was condidered a fluke for storyline purposes. It was just as significant as Maven eliminating The Undertaker from the rumble. His tag matches in the mid 00's and title matches with the like of RVD, Morrison, and match with HBK are more than proof that he has what it takes and doesn't have to be carried anywhere. If WWE wants to give him a title, they will. If they want him to wow the crowd for 10 minutes every week then they will, and they have. Sheamus is living proof that you don't need mic skills to be the top dog. Nothing you said proves that he's not a great on ring performer. It just proves that you're a condescending smark that can write a fancy paragraph.Preach Brother! Educate those who don't see or understand the truth. Shelton has good matches consistently. No, he's not great on the mic, but that doesn't always matter. If the WWE wants to push you, they will. That's all that really matters. You can be piss poor on the mic and hack job in the ring, but if Vince says make you the champ, then dammit you're the champ.
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Post by Mirror Images on Dec 14, 2009 12:14:40 GMT -5
I think alot of times wrestlers do just catch a lucky break, Sheamus for example came in the WWE when they where looking to push new faces. And he became Triples buddy which probably helped more than it hurt him.
Maybe because Shelton Benjamin debuted at a time when the roster was full of stars and WWE didnt feel the need to spend as much time on his push. In an ideal world every wrestler would be given a fair shot to become a main eventer but I dont think that happens in the WWE and it doesnt always come down to talent.
Matt Hardy could make a world champion, with a few changes to his look (maybe short hair) and a bit of a character change.
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Post by Kody on Dec 14, 2009 12:24:12 GMT -5
Like I said earlier, its not a matter of talent... Sheamus and HHH are weight partners and HHH took a liking to him. It is amazing what you can accomplish when HHH is a personal connection. qft.
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Post by June on Dec 14, 2009 12:34:21 GMT -5
Like I said earlier, its not a matter of talent... Sheamus and HHH are weight partners and HHH took a liking to him. It is amazing what you can accomplish when HHH is a personal connection. qft. This is a case of Talent recognizing Talent. Triple H is one of the biggest names in the history of the WWE and married into the family that owns the WWE. So his endorsement of Sheamus is a pretty big deal. I doubt he would sacrifice future earnings of the company he and his wife will inherit one day, by giving out title runs to a guy simply because he likes him. Has it ever occurred to anyone that the WWE does not exist merely to stroke TRiple H's ego?
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Dec 14, 2009 13:31:42 GMT -5
He's had great matches, one on one mathes at that. Matches that the crowd loved. It's not Shelton's fault if he holds the title and only defends it in pointless matches that lead to nothing. WWE has the power to make their fans love or hate alomst anyone they want to. So don't make it like he's been given numerous shots at the top and flopped because it's not the case. Benjamin's win over Triple H was condidered a fluke for storyline purposes. It was just as significant as Maven eliminating The Undertaker from the rumble. His tag matches in the mid 00's and title matches with the like of RVD, Morrison, and match with HBK are more than proof that he has what it takes and doesn't have to be carried anywhere. If WWE wants to give him a title, they will. If they want him to wow the crowd for 10 minutes every week then they will, and they have. Sheamus is living proof that you don't need mic skills to be the top dog. Nothing you said proves that he's not a great on ring performer. It just proves that you're a condescending smark that can write a fancy paragraph. What I say may not prove that Shelton is not a great in ring performer, but his work inside of the ring proves that he in fact is not a great ring performer. He is not even a good gymnast seeing as how botchy he can be. I'm just a wrestling fan posting on a msg board, I'm no smark. I don't apply star ratings to matches and cream myself over Puro matches so please don't insult me by calling me a smark. These right here are the words of a smark who thinks that they know better than the rest of us IWC peons. If that's not how you feel, then you have a funny way of expressing yourself. It's not necessary to be so abrasive with EVERY one of your posts.
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