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Post by squaredcircleactionfigs on Jan 5, 2010 0:46:23 GMT -5
I have not been around the professional wrestling scene for quite some time. However, it seems that there is a lot of animosity for both products. I remember my friends and I watching wrestling and sometimes we thought Nitro was good and Raw sucked or Raw was good and Nitro sucked or both sucked, etc. We also had difference of opinion but we never really disliked one product or the other. The perception I am receiving from your responses from tonight's events is that today's fan either likes WWE or likes TNA but not both. Why is that? Just curious. Thanks
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Post by DgenerationX092 on Jan 5, 2010 0:48:05 GMT -5
Why does anyone like a sports team, and hate their rival?
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Post by J12 on Jan 5, 2010 0:50:23 GMT -5
I've been wondering the same thing, to be honest.
I want TNA to succeed more than anything, because with competition comes better product, and WWE needs that kick in the ass to shake the cobwebs off of the creative department and start providing hours of entertaining product that the fans deserve.
I want WWE to get better, therefore, I want TNA to get big enough to make an impact on WWE's creative decisions.
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Post by squaredcircleactionfigs on Jan 5, 2010 0:58:48 GMT -5
I've been wondering the same thing, to be honest. I want TNA to succeed more than anything, because with competition comes better product, and WWE needs that kick in the ass to shake the cobwebs off of the creative department and start providing hours of entertaining product that the fans deserve. I want WWE to get better, therefore, I want TNA to get big enough to make an impact on WWE's creative decisions. Makes perfect sense. It is basic economics. The only way the WWE becomes more creative is by increased competition or low demand. |
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Post by sevb30 on Jan 5, 2010 1:02:38 GMT -5
All I know is, it was neat reliving the old days of flipping channels back and forth, which we haven't done in around 10 years.
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Post by revolution on Jan 5, 2010 1:04:13 GMT -5
I like them both. WWE just because I have pretty much always liked the 'original' wrestling company, and TNA because some of my favourite talent are in there.
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Post by AdamBomb on Jan 5, 2010 1:04:54 GMT -5
WWE has good acting, good backstage segments, less interference, no Mike Tenay freaking out over the smallest thing, a lot of young talent who are being pushed continually, and (less) finishes to matches that are not complete horse****.
TNA is the opposite. I hate that they changed their mind about being pro-wrestling, and decided to (try) and be Attitude Era Jr. - that's how I see them, that's why I dislike them, and frankly, I can't take them seriously at all.
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Post by J12 on Jan 5, 2010 1:05:07 GMT -5
Instead of everyone arguing, we should all collectively unite and track down the 4,100 American households that currently have people meters in them. Then, we can coerce them into watching TNA every week, thus increasing their ratings ten fold, thus achieving the competition we want, and forcing WWE to step it up.
Of course we've have to repeat this process approximately every three months when the people meters change, but it'd be worth it, wouldn't it?
...Hey, I can dream, can't I?
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Post by K5 on Jan 5, 2010 1:07:19 GMT -5
it's really redundant to bicker amongst themselves like they do, but oh well. i don't think it's that bad. let people get emotional.
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Post by AdamBomb on Jan 5, 2010 1:11:24 GMT -5
Instead of everyone arguing, we should all collectively unite and track down the 4,100 American households that currently have people meters in them. Then, we can coerce them into watching TNA every week, thus increasing their ratings ten fold, thus achieving the competition we want, and forcing WWE to step it up. Of course we've have to repeat this process approximately every three months when the people meters change, but it'd be worth it, wouldn't it? ...Hey, I can dream, can't I? I wouldn't even want to subject innocent people to the cluster  I saw on TNA. |
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Post by squaredcircleactionfigs on Jan 5, 2010 1:14:47 GMT -5
WWE has good acting, good backstage segments, less interference, no Mike Tenay freaking out over the smallest thing, a lot of young talent who are being pushed continually, and (less) finishes to matches that are not complete horse****. TNA is the opposite. I hate that they changed their mind about being pro-wrestling, and decided to (try) and be Attitude Era Jr. - that's how I see them, that's why I dislike them, and frankly, I can't take them seriously at all. I do not see TNA as an "Attitude Era Jr" from what I saw tonight. One of the main reasons I stopped watching the WWE was because it never got away from the attitude era. |
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Post by J12 on Jan 5, 2010 1:17:42 GMT -5
Instead of everyone arguing, we should all collectively unite and track down the 4,100 American households that currently have people meters in them. Then, we can coerce them into watching TNA every week, thus increasing their ratings ten fold, thus achieving the competition we want, and forcing WWE to step it up. Of course we've have to repeat this process approximately every three months when the people meters change, but it'd be worth it, wouldn't it? ...Hey, I can dream, can't I? I wouldn't even want to subject innocent people to the cluster I saw on TNA. They don't need to watch, just have the TV on. Hell, some don't even have to do that. As long as it's written in the little diary, you're good to go. |
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Post by AdamBomb on Jan 5, 2010 1:19:31 GMT -5
WWE has good acting, good backstage segments, less interference, no Mike Tenay freaking out over the smallest thing, a lot of young talent who are being pushed continually, and (less) finishes to matches that are not complete horse****. TNA is the opposite. I hate that they changed their mind about being pro-wrestling, and decided to (try) and be Attitude Era Jr. - that's how I see them, that's why I dislike them, and frankly, I can't take them seriously at all. I do not see TNA as an "Attitude Era Jr" from what I saw tonight. One of the main reasons I stopped watching the WWE was because it never got away from the attitude era. WWE are PG. TNA had Val Venis in a bath towel playing strip poker with The Beautiful People. TNA recently had a match where two competitors had to drink a six pack before wrestling. I could go on, but which one seems more like the Attitude Era? |
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jan 6, 2010 11:23:07 GMT -5
I thought it was pretty funny that for about the last seven years, Val Venis was barely even good enough to wrestle on Heat. In TNA, he's hanging out with the top divas and standing up to Mick Foley in the main event angle.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jan 6, 2010 11:34:13 GMT -5
WWE has good acting, good backstage segments, less interference, no Mike Tenay freaking out over the smallest thing, a lot of young talent who are being pushed continually, and (less) finishes to matches that are not complete horse****. TNA is the opposite. I hate that they changed their mind about being pro-wrestling, and decided to (try) and be Attitude Era Jr. - that's how I see them, that's why I dislike them, and frankly, I can't take them seriously at all. I do not see TNA as an "Attitude Era Jr" from what I saw tonight. One of the main reasons I stopped watching the WWE was because it never got away from the attitude era. The main reason i stopped watching WWE is cause 1, it went PG. 2, same old shit..... Cena winning his first world title was awesome, but 6 titles later? Come on..... Some one wins WH title, come WrestleMania, Taker beats them for it, another victory, 18-0.... Woopity shit. OMG its DX..... and a Midget? Really? You bitch about TNA being like WCW and your 2 top guys are running around with a guy who lost his pot of gold to his so-called daddy Vince, who then they change to Finlay.... Its stale, old, and writtin for kids to get a laugh. Power Rangers is more action packed than the WWE. TNA has actual wrestling. Weather or not NWO, Flair, Gobbley Gooker come in to TNA, we still see great matches. 5 * main event, 4* Womens tag match. First time meeting of Joe/Abyss. Jeff Hardy return... Come on, all that in the first show of 2010, and double dthe ratings on its first Live Impact up against RAW? Looks like TNA just might be the " Little Engine that could!" And can we stop throwing around Cluster- ..... Its in just about every rant on the TNA board. Cluster this cluster that..... It was a show, that yes, had its puzzeling moments, but all in all, made sence, set up feuds, touched on current feuds, and showed off their hot talents. |
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Post by marino13 on Jan 6, 2010 11:36:07 GMT -5
My only beef with TNA is their need to constantly bash WWE. No wonder their fans do the same on these forums.
If I had to say anything else it is their lack of consistency with their Heels/Faces. Every time I turn it on someone has swap back & forth and is in the process of another turn. It's hard to follow at times. I don't think that's going to change during Hogan's management.
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Jan 6, 2010 11:36:35 GMT -5
I'm a fan of both - or at least I was until that monstrosity on Monday night - and I feel like the TNA fans like to see things through rose-colored glasses. I'm a realist, so I sort of "feud" with them in trying to talk them back from euphoria.
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Post by StingerSplash on Jan 6, 2010 11:44:37 GMT -5
WWE has good acting, good backstage segments, less interference, no Mike Tenay freaking out over the smallest thing, a lot of young talent who are being pushed continually, and (less) finishes to matches that are not complete horse****. TNA is the opposite. I hate that they changed their mind about being pro-wrestling, and decided to (try) and be Attitude Era Jr. - that's how I see them, that's why I dislike them, and frankly, I can't take them seriously at all. Sure a lot of young talent are being pushed. That's why the main event scene has been the same for the last 3 years with the exception of Punk, Hardy, and Sheamus. We've got guys like Cena still fueding for the WWE title, and DX and JeriShow are fueding over the tag-titles. That's why Bourne, Swagger, The Miz, Morrison, Kofi, and MVP are all still lost in the mid-card. For granted the Miz is holding a less than significant US title and Kofi is fueding with Orton. I'm not taking sides, but to say that WWE is pushing young talent isn't necessairly fact. |
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Post by Chip on Jan 6, 2010 11:53:28 GMT -5
I dont get all the hate either to be honest.
I don't dislike TNA for the most part. However I don't watch it at all. I read results and get info from sites & friends. WWE has just been there, they are the giants. They are number 1. Yes they have their flaws, but to me its not enough to trash them as a whole.
Wrestling fans nowadays are way to critical. ESPECIALLY towards Vince & Co. They nitpick every single thing down to the last possible minute and decided whether its good or bad. If they personally don't like something then it's stupid, the company sucks and no one should watch it. If their particular favorite wrestler (s) aren't getting World Title shots every week or in main event PPV matches they feel said wrestler (s) are not getting pushed and the WWE is stupid for not doing that. People complain about Triple H, Undertaker, Shawn Michaels, Cena etc. always being in the main events....what they fail to realize is that those guys ARE the WWE. If the WWE had no Cena, no HHH, no HBK, no Jericho, no Edge they would, in effect....be Ring of Honor. Some great talents but really no recognizable to the public stars. No one would watch the shows and they would fail as a business. Putting Jack Swagger in the Wrestlemania main event will NOT generate anything for him or the WWE unless they've given the fans a REASON to want him there. Putting HBK & Undertaker in the main events gives you the best chance to see something like their match at WM25.
Guys like Kofi, Morrison, Swagger, MVP, Miz will all have their time. When the legends are fading away there will ALWAYS be new guys ready to take their places. You can't overload the rosters wil 25 "main event" level superstars....it wouldn't make sense
On the flip, TNA gets criticized for overdoing the same stories (even more than the WWE) and having all this great wrestling talent not being used right. Hogan comes in and says its all about the "young guys" and we"re gonna "throw away the scripts" but yet the last segment on Monday night was the nWo & Mick Foley. I've got no problem with veteran superstars taking up TV time....but don't claim to be all about the newbies then do the exact opposite.
TNA has some incredibly talented wrestlers AJ Styles, Kurt Angle, Jay Lethal, Sabin & Shelley, Daniels, Homicide, Matt Morgan, to name a few. Most of them get lost in the shuffle of Ultimate X matches or some kind of multi-man cage match.
In the end, we are all fans of Wrestling. If you are nothing but a hater, then you are not a fan
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Post by TurboEddie on Jan 6, 2010 12:17:36 GMT -5
TNA is full of arrogant bungholes. All they do is talk crapabout WWE. Like when A.J. Styles called John Morrison unoriginal for stealing people's moves. Come on, where else can you see a guy like John Morrison? These moves are everywhere. These ideas are floating in the air.
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