Kick Your Face
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Post by Kick Your Face on Feb 18, 2010 20:40:54 GMT -5
What in the hell does that have to do with my question? That question being, why the Miz of all people is the right guy to "teach" Bryan Danielson how to be a "sports entertainer". My answer to that would be that ROH and NOAH are way different from WWE. Again, crowds are different everywhere. As an Indy performer Danielson can get a reaction anywhere, but can he get a reaction facing Cody Rhodes on a RAW in Sioux City, Iowa? The difference between independent and Japanese wrestling is the Japanese crowds are just as big (if not, bigger) than the WWE crowds, which makes his statement about competing in front of only small crowds completely void. Budokan Hall usually draws 15,000. |
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Post by jfinnomore on Feb 18, 2010 20:42:42 GMT -5
My answer to that would be that ROH and NOAH are way different from WWE. Again, crowds are different everywhere. As an Indy performer Danielson can get a reaction anywhere, but can he get a reaction facing Cody Rhodes on a RAW in Sioux City, Iowa? The difference between independent and Japanese wrestling is the Japanese crowds are just as big (if not, bigger) than the WWE crowds, which makes his statement about competing in front of only small crowds completely void. Budokan Hall usually draws 15,000. but lets face it Japanese crowds come to see wrestling, not sports entertainment, which is what 80% if not more of the WWE crowd is there for |
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Post by Patrick Bateman on Feb 18, 2010 20:42:59 GMT -5
I can't believe people are getting worked up over this! This whole idea is great, the momentum from a feud with the Miz (who is huge right now) is nothing but good news for Danielson. The fact that he's being promoted on the main page, and his reputation as an indie god has been referenced, is a clear sign that the WWE Machine is coming around to run with Danielson.
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Post by Kick Your Face on Feb 18, 2010 20:43:46 GMT -5
The difference between independent and Japanese wrestling is the Japanese crowds are just as big (if not, bigger) than the WWE crowds, which makes his statement about competing in front of only small crowds completely void. Budokan Hall usually draws 15,000. but lets face it Japanese crowds come to see wrestling, not sports entertainment, which is what 80% if not more of the WWE crowd is there for I think the WWE crowds actually enjoy wrestling a lot more than most people think. Watch Danielson vs. Chavo and listen to the reaction from the crowd. |
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Post by Byron F'N Saxton Fan on Feb 18, 2010 20:43:48 GMT -5
My answer to that would be that ROH and NOAH are way different from WWE. Again, crowds are different everywhere. As an Indy performer Danielson can get a reaction anywhere, but can he get a reaction facing Cody Rhodes on a RAW in Sioux City, Iowa? The difference between independent and Japanese wrestling is the Japanese crowds are just as big (if not, bigger) than the WWE crowds, which makes his statement about competing in front of only small crowds completely void. Budokan Hall usually draws 15,000. I'll agree with that point, but my other point was lost in my bad writing. Crowds themselves, as a whole are different, not size-different. I don't know if Danielson can get a reaction in the RAW/SmackDown mid-card on a RAW/SmackDown in front of a WWE type-crowd against getting a reaction anywhere from an Indy-type crowd. |
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Post by Kick Your Face on Feb 18, 2010 20:46:38 GMT -5
The difference between independent and Japanese wrestling is the Japanese crowds are just as big (if not, bigger) than the WWE crowds, which makes his statement about competing in front of only small crowds completely void. Budokan Hall usually draws 15,000. I'll agree with that point, but my other point was lost in my bad writing. Crowds themselves, as a whole are different, not size-different. I don't know if Danielson can get a reaction in the RAW/SmackDown mid-card on a RAW/SmackDown in front of a WWE type-crowd against getting a reaction anywhere from an Indy-type crowd. Hmmmm... that is true in most cases. But then again, he may be another Chris Benoit and get over completely based on his wrestling talent. I'm hoping that's the case. |
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Post by xshawnxwilliamsx on Feb 18, 2010 20:46:55 GMT -5
I'll tune in to watch the Miz's awful attempt at doing any sort of good chain wrestling. you're watching the wrong company if you're tuning in to see ANYONE do much chain wrestling. Damnit, I was saying that since this is looking to go into a feud, they will most likely have a singles encounter later on down the line. And when they do, I will be tuning in to laugh at the Miz's awful attempt at chain wrestling with Danielson, since he doesn't know the proper way to apply any holds, and only executes the basic s*** he learns in training (Around-the-world transition). |
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Post by rudos on Feb 18, 2010 20:47:30 GMT -5
I see your point but amongst that crowd is going to be at least a couple of hundred people who know who Bryan is and what he has been and done - people like you and I i.e. vs Chavo. He will definitely get a pop from the crowd.
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Post by Byron F'N Saxton Fan on Feb 18, 2010 20:49:22 GMT -5
you're watching the wrong company if you're tuning in to see ANYONE do much chain wrestling. Damnit, I was saying that since this is looking to go into a feud, they will most likely have a singles encounter later on down the line. And when they do, I will be tuning in to laugh at the Miz's awful attempt at chain wrestling with Danielson, since he doesn't know the proper way to apply any holds, and only executes the basic s*** he learns in training (Around-the-world transition). Again, Danielson will be taught at least to an extent the WWE-style of Wrestling on NXT, so they'll probably largely work Matches the WWE-style where chain Wrestling is essentially non-existent. |
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Post by jfinnomore on Feb 18, 2010 20:50:26 GMT -5
you're watching the wrong company if you're tuning in to see ANYONE do much chain wrestling. Damnit, I was saying that since this is looking to go into a feud, they will most likely have a singles encounter later on down the line. And when they do, I will be tuning in to laugh at the Miz's awful attempt at chain wrestling with Danielson, since he doesn't know the proper way to apply any holds, and only executes the basic s*** he learns in training (Around-the-world transition). and im sure you'll post on here your outrage when The Miz goes over in the feud. . . |
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Post by xshawnxwilliamsx on Feb 18, 2010 20:53:50 GMT -5
Damnit, I was saying that since this is looking to go into a feud, they will most likely have a singles encounter later on down the line. And when they do, I will be tuning in to laugh at the Miz's awful attempt at chain wrestling with Danielson, since he doesn't know the proper way to apply any holds, and only executes the basic s*** he learns in training (Around-the-world transition). Again, Danielson will be taught at least to an extent the WWE-style of Wrestling on NXT, so they'll probably largely work Matches the WWE-style where chain Wrestling is essentially non-existent. Well, I hope not. I see plenty of matches on Raw, Smackdown, and ECW that have a good amount of chain wrestling in them. Bourne, Regal, Jericho, Punk, and Mysterio usually chain wrestle in their matches, and unlike the rest of the roster, they actually do it fairly well. Chavo vs. Danielson and Danielson vs. Kaval both had a decent amount of chain wrestling in them, so I don't see why Danielson's matches on NXT wouldn't..... |
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Post by Byron F'N Saxton Fan on Feb 18, 2010 20:56:01 GMT -5
Again, Danielson will be taught at least to an extent the WWE-style of Wrestling on NXT, so they'll probably largely work Matches the WWE-style where chain Wrestling is essentially non-existent. Well, I hope not. I see plenty of matches on Raw, Smackdown, and ECW that have a good amount of chain wrestling in them. Bourne, Regal, Jericho, Punk, and Mysterio usually chain wrestle in their matches, and unlike the rest of the roster, they actually do it fairly well. Chavo vs. Danielson and Danielson vs. Kaval both had a decent amount of chain wrestling in them, so I don't see why Danielson's matches on NXT wouldn't..... I'm sure if he faces Jericho, Mysterio, Bourne or somebody like that he'll execute chain wrestling, but facing The Miz he, nor Miz will need to use chain wrestling. |
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Post by Sam Hain on Feb 18, 2010 21:04:12 GMT -5
Riiiiight, so this is why I was worried when I heard that Danielson was going to stop being a pro wrestler and become a sports entertainer.
The Miz is right, Danielson doesn't look like a WWE superstar, because he looks like a wrestler.
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Post by the franchise on Feb 18, 2010 21:08:16 GMT -5
Everyone is aware that this is just an angle right?
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Post by Sam Hain on Feb 18, 2010 21:11:40 GMT -5
Everyone is aware that this is just an angle right? I hope it is. |
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Post by LA Times on Feb 18, 2010 21:13:32 GMT -5
Bryan Danielson should be a masked wrestler but he had a developmental deal back in 2000.
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Post by Thick Justice on Feb 18, 2010 21:37:04 GMT -5
Everyone is aware that this is just an angle right? Yeah I know it is. In a way Miz is right. However he is wrong in other ways. Danielson is one of the best in the world. However he needs some new catch phrases, some decorated tights and knee pads and boots with details. After seeing where this goes and listening too miz knock some sense into me I see why they had them go this way. Danielson's mic work is average. He won't get mad over without it improving. He needed one of the top heel mic workers too help him. Jericho wouldn't have been the right choice as his heel mic lately wouldn't be a good fit for Bryan. Punk would be good but his gimmick doesn't work for mentoring. They needed a guy who could portray being cocky as a charachter and fake real personality. Miz is the perfect guy for this angle. He's cocky, he's brash, he knows how too get the crowd too react, and his charachter knows about glam. He can portray being cocky and brash as a real life easily with this. I could see this getting Bryan mad over. Not too mention bringing in some bussiness for roh. Miz is the perfect trainer for Bryan. He's the top cocky heel in wwe right now. Jericho is a smart belittling heel. CM Punk is a belittling cult heel. That leaves Miz left. |
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Post by alwayssunny on Feb 18, 2010 21:38:41 GMT -5
Ohhh, Miz being Miz
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Feb 18, 2010 23:03:31 GMT -5
Who is gonna teach Miz about being a sports entertainer?  Miz has improved greatly since his debut and is one the most interesting and entertaining parts of RAW. I agree with the first part. I think you are on drugs about the second. Only the IWC creams their shorts over Miz. Who is gonna teach Miz about being a sports entertainer? pretty sure he's got it covered Pretty sure, you are wrong. What in the hell does that have to do with my question? That question being, how the Miz of all people is the right guy to "teach" Bryan Danielson how to be a "sports entertainer". Because Miz is one of the best sports-entertainers out there right now. Besides Jericho & CM Punk, he is the best in my opinion. Did you just put 2 great workers, promo cutters and superstars in the same category as The Miz?!  |
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Post by miserere on Feb 18, 2010 23:04:59 GMT -5
WTF  THE MIZ I cant believe he really believes that poop THE MIZ SUCKS, Bryan Daneilson has more talent is his LEFT NUT then The Miz does in his whole body. He was nothing but a REALITY STAR on tv. He never "paid his dues" he was given a contract because of his stupid role on the real world. He's so gay for this comment. He says at some point "just because you've wrestled all over the world doesnt mean you can be a WWE superstar" WOW. WELL JUST BECAUSE YOU GOT A CONTRACT BECAUSE OF THE REAL WORLD DOESNT MEAN YOU'RE A WRESTLER. YOU SUCK AND NOT JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE A HEEL. YOU JUST SUCK!! How old are you? He speaks every word of the truth. Danielson is NOTHING without name value, his in-ring skills won't get him over one bit, if he entered the WWE and did what he does in the indies, he'd be released in a few months. This WWE NXT show and a pairing with The Miz is going to slowly build up his name to the WWE fanbase, slightly push him onto the big screen, and then eventually putting him over as a full-on contender. If anyone knows about climbing through the WWE roster, it's The Miz. Or, we can have more wrestlers who are where they are because of their unique looks. Like Sheamus, for example. All sizzle, no steak. Miz is right about Danielson needing a good look to help him get over with the crowd, but if I had to rank what will get you further in pro wrestling, I'd put talent over marketability. Well, maybe not. Chavo's still lower-midcarding after all. |
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