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Post by Dan on Feb 19, 2010 10:01:08 GMT -5
The Miz has a point about Danielsons lack of Superstar Status, but seriously he must realise Danielsons a different level to him in the ring. He doesn't need a lot of Superstar status to rely on when he's that good in the ring. His wrestling abilities is his main selling point. Miz on the other hand, has to find some sort of character otherwise he'd be useless.
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Post by DKR on Feb 19, 2010 10:13:07 GMT -5
So it turns out that The Miz really IS awesome.
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Post by easy1986 on Feb 19, 2010 12:22:18 GMT -5
To a point I agree with the Miz...........BUT what he prob doesn't realize is that Danielson HAD a WWE contract, which he opted out of to wrestle around the world. This man has trained under some of the greatest minds in this business and wrestled quite a few of them also. I could really only see a couple of guys mentor Danielson and that's either Jericho, HBK or triple H every one else just simply doesn't have enough experience. I like the Miz alot but in this instance Morrison is right.....psssh he DOES know more than you.
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Post by T R W on Feb 19, 2010 12:27:53 GMT -5
he is absolutely 100% correct
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Feb 19, 2010 12:30:43 GMT -5
he is absolutely 100% correct The Inner Circle made you say that.  |
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Post by Mark on Feb 19, 2010 13:16:09 GMT -5
Miz looks more of a main eventer than Vanilla Dragon does
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Post by Kick Your Face on Feb 19, 2010 13:20:12 GMT -5
The Miz has a point about Danielsons lack of Superstar Status, but seriously he must realise Danielsons a different level to him in the ring. He doesn't need a lot of Superstar status to rely on when he's that good in the ring. His wrestling abilities is his main selling point. Miz on the other hand, has to find some sort of character otherwise he'd be useless. Extremely good point. |
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Post by THE *Legendary* STINGER on Feb 19, 2010 17:48:36 GMT -5
Yeah pc,God forbid we fans care about workrate. and Cena has said in many interviews that The Miz and Morrison are 2 of the hardest workers in and out of the ring, so . . . Bahahahahha well if Cena says it then it MUST be true. and PS: to all the people saying he cant get by soley on his talent.. Thats F'n sad.. you fans are proving that wrestling isnt WRESTLING anymore. You care about gimick more then the show. Call me all the names you want but Miz sucks. Dragon has been wrestling forever, He has amazing talent and can work as a heel and a baby. You wanna talk smark with me? I am a worker myself, I dont need to prove or back up what im saying. Voicing my opinion wont do crap but if you fans think that the miz is right about Dragon being "bland" ... wow.. Stone Cold worked in black tights and black boots since his Stunning Steave days.. still a great worker. its not about the gay frilly hats or stupid studded shorts. Its about the wrestling. |
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Post by derwohnhaft on Feb 19, 2010 17:52:24 GMT -5
Danielson is one hell of a wrestler. Don't get me wrong, but tell me honestly: Who, outside of the IWC, actually knows who he is? There will be a few fans who know who he is because you may hear some AmDrag chants, but seriously, I agree with most of what Miz says.
Yes... crappy source because it's The Miz and Bryan Danielson is better than The Miz in every way, shape and form, but to the casual WWE fan, Danielson is just another indy guy trying to get a break.
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Post by jfinnomore on Feb 19, 2010 21:24:26 GMT -5
and Cena has said in many interviews that The Miz and Morrison are 2 of the hardest workers in and out of the ring, so . . . Bahahahahha well if Cena says it then it MUST be true.and PS: to all the people saying he cant get by soley on his talent.. Thats F'n sad.. you fans are proving that wrestling isnt WRESTLING anymore. You care about gimick more then the show. Call me all the names you want but Miz sucks. Dragon has been wrestling forever, He has amazing talent and can work as a heel and a baby. You wanna talk smark with me? I am a worker myself, I dont need to prove or back up what im saying. Voicing my opinion wont do crap but if you fans think that the miz is right about Dragon being "bland" ... wow.. Stone Cold worked in black tights and black boots since his Stunning Steave days.. still a great worker. its not about the gay frilly hats or stupid studded shorts. Its about the wrestling. he'd know more than me and you since you know he WORKS with him. . . just saying your opinion is fine but lets face it the WWE is far more than just wrestling, if it was just wrestling Lance Storm, Jerry Lynn, Super Crazy, and many others would of been main eventers but they werent even close. oh and fyi no one gives a crapthat you're a "worker" yourself. . . once again just saying  |
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Post by wabarrett on Feb 20, 2010 9:24:05 GMT -5
Bahahahahha well if Cena says it then it MUST be true.and PS: to all the people saying he cant get by soley on his talent.. Thats F'n sad.. you fans are proving that wrestling isnt WRESTLING anymore. You care about gimick more then the show. Call me all the names you want but Miz sucks. Dragon has been wrestling forever, He has amazing talent and can work as a heel and a baby. You wanna talk smark with me? I am a worker myself, I dont need to prove or back up what im saying. Voicing my opinion wont do crap but if you fans think that the miz is right about Dragon being "bland" ... wow.. Stone Cold worked in black tights and black boots since his Stunning Steave days.. still a great worker. its not about the gay frilly hats or stupid studded shorts. Its about the wrestling. he'd know more than me and you since you know he WORKS with him. . . just saying your opinion is fine but lets face it the WWE is far more than just wrestling, if it was just wrestling Lance Storm, Jerry Lynn, Super Crazy, and many others would of been main eventers but they werent even close. oh and fyi no one gives a poop that you're a "worker" yourself. . . once again just saying Yeah I love how people think they are comparable to WWE superstars just because they are part of some little independent promotion. WWE is so much more than just wrestling anyway. It's about entertainment, bright lights, a big-time feel, compelling stories, unpredictability, a touch of comedy, and definitely about unique, interesting characters with a bit of a personality. That is what WWE is about, it's not trying to be like some s***** Japanese promotion where every match consists of stiff punches and countless variations of tiger-bombs and suplexes. Rant over. Don't bother calling me ignorant for that last statement either, I haven't seen a lot of Japanese wrestling, or much of the independent circuit, but what I have seen... contains stiff punches, spots, light tubes and as I said, countless variations of a suplex. Not entertainment... |
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Post by Boy Wonder on Feb 20, 2010 10:02:58 GMT -5
I've watched hundreds of hours of indy and Japanese wrestling and have yet to ever see ONE light tube. Backyard wrestling =/= independent wrestling
So basically you're saying that the matches in Japan and the indies consists of a variety of suplexes and slams, a bunch of various submission holds, a few high flying spots, and punches and kicks that actually look real? Yeah, that sounds nothing like what wrestling should be like. Sounds awful.
ROH would be awesome if they had men dressed as cows being tied up by midgets in cowboy costumes or they spent half an hour poorly imitating the Jerry Springer show... which is then capped off by the same midget.
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Post by wabarrett on Feb 20, 2010 12:31:32 GMT -5
I've watched hundreds of hours of indy and Japanese wrestling and have yet to ever see ONE light tube. Backyard wrestling =/= independent wrestling So basically you're saying that the matches in Japan and the indies consists of a variety of suplexes and slams, a bunch of various submission holds, a few high flying spots, and punches and kicks that actually look real? Yeah, that sounds nothing like what wrestling should be like. Sounds awful. ROH would be awesome if they had men dressed as cows being tied up by midgets in cowboy costumes or they spent half an hour poorly imitating the Jerry Springer show... which is then capped off by the same midget. Nah admittedly that bit was aimed at the s***** backyard promotions. But, personally, a bunch of bland, uninteresting and near identical wrestlers with no personality, performing moves that come across as totally unbelievable and over-the-top spots isn't what I call entertaining. |
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Post by Boy Wonder on Feb 20, 2010 17:47:44 GMT -5
Unbelievable, is how John Cena gets his ass kicked for 20 minutes, does 3 moves and wins. Or how he literally got blown up by the Big Show, but managed to show up on Raw a couple weeks later just fine
Indy wrestling's biggest draw is it's in ring psychology and mix of showcased individuals. Sure, there are plenty of spot monkeys out there who rely solely on ridiculous stunts *ahem Motor City Machine Guns* but those are few and far between.
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Post by Kick Your Face on Feb 20, 2010 18:03:49 GMT -5
That is what WWE is about, it's not trying to be like some s***** Japanese promotion where every match consists of stiff punches and countless variations of tiger-bombs and suplexes. Rant over. Don't bother calling me ignorant for that last statement either, I haven't seen a lot of Japanese wrestling, or much of the independent circuit, but what I have seen... contains stiff punches, spots, light tubes and as I said, countless variations of a suplex. Not entertainment... Yeah... do you even know what you're talking about? You basically shot your own point down. BJW is a deathmatch promotion and the spotty promotion you're talking about is probably Dragon Gate. If not, you're probably watching some MV of a compilation of spots from 90s AJPW, which you cannot judge an entire promotion off of. 90s AJPW is arguably the greatest wrestling era of all-time. BJW is awesome in its own right. They actually know how to work a deathmatch, unlike some promotions. |
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Post by Flava Dave on Feb 20, 2010 18:12:24 GMT -5
I've watched hundreds of hours of indy and Japanese wrestling and have yet to ever see ONE light tube. Backyard wrestling =/= independent wrestling So basically you're saying that the matches in Japan and the indies consists of a variety of suplexes and slams, a bunch of various submission holds, a few high flying spots, and punches and kicks that actually look real? Yeah, that sounds nothing like what wrestling should be like. Sounds awful. ROH would be awesome if they had men dressed as cows being tied up by midgets in cowboy costumes or they spent half an hour poorly imitating the Jerry Springer show... which is then capped off by the same midget. Nah admittedly that bit was aimed at the s***** backyard promotions. But, personally, a bunch of bland, uninteresting and near identical wrestlers with no personality, performing moves that come across as totally unbelievable and over-the-top spots isn't what I call entertaining. Like 90% of the guys that have come through WWE's developmental system with no real seasoning prior to their WWE employment? And if you knew a bit about what you're attempting to talk about, you'd know that guys like Austin Aries, Kevin Steen, Kenny Omega, and Chris Hero all look different and eat charisma for breakfast (with skim milk). |
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Post by Kick Your Face on Feb 20, 2010 18:16:46 GMT -5
Nah admittedly that bit was aimed at the s***** backyard promotions. But, personally, a bunch of bland, uninteresting and near identical wrestlers with no personality, performing moves that come across as totally unbelievable and over-the-top spots isn't what I call entertaining. Like 90% of the guys that have come through WWE's developmental system with no real seasoning prior to their WWE employment? And if you knew a bit about what you're attempting to talk about, you'd know that guys like Austin Aries, Kevin Steen, Kenny Omega, and Chris Hero all look different and eat charisma for breakfast (with skim milk). It's funny because a lot of Danielson's promos within the last year were more entertaining than any Miz promo I've ever heard, particularly the Hybrid Dolphins one. And Chris Hero's promo post-AmDrag's final PWG match was one of the greatest promos of the year. |
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Post by Overnight Sensation on Feb 20, 2010 18:26:54 GMT -5
Nah admittedly that bit was aimed at the s***** backyard promotions. But, personally, a bunch of bland, uninteresting and near identical wrestlers with no personality, performing moves that come across as totally unbelievable and over-the-top spots isn't what I call entertaining. Like 90% of the guys that have come through WWE's developmental system with no real seasoning prior to their WWE employment? And if you knew a bit about what you're attempting to talk about, you'd know that guys like Austin Aries, Kevin Steen, Kenny Omega, and Chris Hero all look different and eat charisma for breakfast (with skim milk).  Perkisize with indy wrestling |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2010 22:30:12 GMT -5
Am I the only one that finds irony in the fact that he is talking about just because the internet likes you it doesnt make you a star?
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Post by The Dude on Feb 20, 2010 22:50:21 GMT -5
It is annoying listening to everyone bitch about it. The Miz is right though. Everyone was saying how CM Punk was going to the this..... HUGE spectacle ever. To me he has been ok. His current role in WWE as the cult leader is the best that he has been since debuting in WWE. But when he debuted I expected a lot more because that's what everyone was preaching.
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