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Post by James Hetfield on Mar 28, 2010 1:06:39 GMT -5
So much for wanting to trade with Hardy. Same old GSP lay and pray. Haha, what the ? When have you ever heard GSP or anyone in his camp say he would trade with him? When the fight was standing, Hardy did nothing, and when the fight was on the ground, GSP was the most active and almost ripped Hardy's arm off. Give me a ing break. Now, Jon Fitch, he lays and prays. I am 100% convinced he does NOT want to finish fights.
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Post by James Hetfield on Mar 28, 2010 1:10:09 GMT -5
I also just noticed I was right on every fight prediction except 2.
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Post by HHH316 on Mar 28, 2010 2:08:48 GMT -5
Not a bunch of TapouT hat wearing "Dude, I train" kind of people. It was a great night. And thats why I typically skip the bars & just order the PPVs lol. Here's hoping Carwin/Lesnar takes place in Vegas, because I originally planned a trip for November there to see it. I've got a credit for a plane ticket & vacation to take! GSP showed much like BJ, he really doesn't have any equals in his division. He put on a clinic tonight & made Hardy look like an inexperienced guy. I think it was during or after round 2 that Hardy knew he was in trouble. The smile he had in the staredown & after round 1 was gone.
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Post by NAЯDO on Mar 28, 2010 4:40:36 GMT -5
so happy that my picks won, mir just can't handle carwin's power, and gsp is just too much for hardy, he pretty much just played around hardy.
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Post by 1992 on Mar 28, 2010 5:40:44 GMT -5
Was I the only one who noted(and marked out for) when GSP walked out to Juicy by Biggie?
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Mar 28, 2010 7:51:49 GMT -5
That's hilarious that people think all GSP does is "Lay & Pray". It may not be the most exciting fight in the world, but it most definitely is dominating. I mean, for 5 complete rounds once again, GSP dominated his opponent.
At no point during his fight last night did Hardy land a single serious shot and his takedown defense against GSP was useless. GSP took him down at will. I lost count at how many takedowns GSP scored on Hardy.
As for those vicious armbars, does anyone think Hardy wanted to tap but couldn't due to his positioning both times?? I believe his free hand may have been stuck in an awkward position, thus preventing him from being able to tap.
I know there is verbal tappage as well, but it looked like he was in too much pain both times to yell out anything.
At any rate, Dan Hardy is one tough competitor, no question about that. I still think GSP's toughest fight to date was against Jon Fitch. Sure, his fights with Koscheck, Alves and now Hardy went the distance, but the war he had with Fitch was incredible. That was his toughest fight ever in my opinion.
Anyway, GSP proved once again that he was too much for his opponent and in a FAR better class. There's nobody in the UFC at Welterweight that can beat GSP. He's just too good.
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Post by Greensborohill on Mar 28, 2010 9:12:09 GMT -5
dude, someone post a gif of the Carwin KO
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Post by Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai on Mar 28, 2010 10:09:49 GMT -5
Fitch has won more UFC fights via decision than any other fighter in the history of the UFC.
When you do that, your reputation will precede you. He was his same old self last night (but hey, he wins fights, so good for him).
As for GSP, he was definitely very active on the ground. The only time he slowed down a bit was after Greg Jackson kept telling him to stop passing guard, because GSP had been passing guard in an attempt to finish the fight (the armbars, taking Hardy's back, etc.).
Once he started obeying Jackson's advice, it limited his options for trying to finish Hardy. On the plus side, it also limited Hardy's openings to escape, so it's not like Jackson's advice didn't have some base of logic.
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Post by Sandy on Mar 28, 2010 12:11:15 GMT -5
I honestly don't know how people can consider GSP the p4p best after last night...
Dan Hardy impressed me more in his loss than GSP did by winning the fight.
when you have a guy like Anderson Silva who makes his opponents look foolish and who completely destroys every opponent so bad that they aen't the same fighter after they lose its hard to put GSP above him..
or BJ Penn who will actually toy with his opponents just to make them think they actually have a chance and HE WILL decide what round he wants to finish them...
or Fedor who never has a boring fight and can just as easily submit his opponents as he can knock them out...
I wouldn't put GSP above any of the above fighters. GSP honestly hasn't been the same fighter since his loss to Matt Serra. All he does now is use his wrestling. His strategy always works but when you have guys like Anderson Silva, BJ Penn, and Fedor who ALL take being the best fighter in the world just as seriously as GSP does he has to feel like he has to step up his aggressiveness. ON PAPER, Dan Hardy was a guy who GSP should have had no problem finishing off whenever the hell he wanted. But instead GSP struggled to submit Hardy. He had a dominating performance for sure but I was still more impressed by Dan Hardy.
the only fight that interests me with GSP is a fight with Anderson Silva. I don't care to see a rematch with Fitch, Alves, Koscheck, etc...I don't care to see a fight with Daley because it will look exactly like the fight last night.. If GSP honestly wants to test himself he needs to fight Anderson.
Shane Carwin won just like I thought he would. Damn he exploded with a quick flurry of punches. Very impressed by that guy. He is going to be a handful for Lesnar.
Fitch has to be the most boring fighter I have ever watched...I mean everyone gets on Okami's ass for being a boring fighter but yet they love Fitch? I don't get it. He is a grinder...he breaks other fighters will....he makes them fight the kind of fight HE wants to fight...I GET IT. He is still boring as hell.
I don't want to sound like all I care to see is KO's and submissions but it just bugs the crapout of me to see a fight like Fitch had with Saunders..
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Post by James Hetfield on Mar 28, 2010 14:13:21 GMT -5
GSP is probably top 3 or 4 P4P depending on how you rank BJ, and GSP has already beaten him twice.
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Post by James Hetfield on Mar 28, 2010 14:22:07 GMT -5
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Mar 28, 2010 15:01:26 GMT -5
How many people feel that was a late stoppage by the referee in the Mir/Carwin fight?? I think the referee let Mir take much more of a beating than was necessary.
He was pretty much out-cold against the cage and yet the referee kept it going and when Mir was flat-out on the canvas, Carwin landed about 3 or 4 heavy shots that were completely un-necessary in my opinion. It should've been stopped much sooner.
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Post by carly1988 on Mar 28, 2010 15:05:08 GMT -5
Lay and pray? St.Pierre almost literly ripped Hardy's arm completely off twice, yet people still believe he does nothing but lay on his opponents. Its funny North American fans still believe that every fight has to end in a brutal KO, in order to be entertaining. MMA is not all about brutal KO's or brutal submissions. Watch any sort of Pride match, and look at how educated the fans are. Hardy is an amazing boxer, who has trained with Freddie Roach numerous times...and you guys thought GSP was going to stand with him? Come on now. GSP is one of the best wrestlers in MMA, why stand? If Pacman fought a MMA fight, would he go for the take down? Well said. UFC fans are starting to remind me of wrestling fans. They didnt come around until it was "entertaining" Half the fans right now would complain and bitch if they had to see 2 guys lay around for 30+ minutes like Gracie and Shamrock did at UFC 5
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Mar 28, 2010 16:19:44 GMT -5
What a boring fight that turned out to be. GSP pretty much just lay on Hardy for 20 odd minutes, because he knew he couldn't stand with him. Smart? Yes - but also completely unexciting.
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Mar 28, 2010 16:33:48 GMT -5
What a boring fight that turned out to be. GSP pretty much just lay on Hardy for 20 odd minutes, because he knew he couldn't stand with him. Smart? Yes - but also completely unexciting. Who said it always has to be exciting?? Where is that written?? Like Anderson Silva did in his fight with Thales Leites, GSP played it smart in his fight with Dan Hardy last night. I'm sure he could've stood with Hardy and traded blows if he really wanted to, but he chose to play it safe and decided to go with the numerous takedowns and ground & pound instead. I think it was a smart move on GSP's part. Why risk losing the belt and everything he worked so hard for to make a mistake by trading blows with someone who might have stronger punching power?? GSP's fights may not be the most exciting, but they sure are dominating. You can't deny that. I mean, come on. Dan Hardy had ZERO takedown defense against GSP. GSP made him look like a friggin' rookie last night. Took him down at will and pounded him on the ground and nearly broke his arm, not once, but twice. For all 5 rounds GSP dominated Hardy. I don't think Hardy landed one single solid shot for the entire 25 minute encounter. Hardy is supposed to be this dangerous striker and yet against GSP for an entire 25 minute fight, he wasn't able to land one solid shot to put GSP in any sort of danger. That is saying alot right there. It just proves that GSP is in a MUCH higher class than Dan Hardy. All there is to it.
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Post by Boquest on Mar 28, 2010 17:14:46 GMT -5
I honestly don't know how people can consider GSP the p4p best after last night... Dan Hardy impressed me more in his loss than GSP did by winning the fight. when you have a guy like Anderson Silva who makes his opponents look foolish and who completely destroys every opponent so bad that they aen't the same fighter after they lose its hard to put GSP above him...... I do understand where your coming from, but you can't deny that GSP looked more dominating against Hardy then Anderson did against Leites.
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Post by Sandy on Mar 28, 2010 17:15:24 GMT -5
I got this off of mmanews.com
FightMetric released their report for Georges St-Pierre's dominance over Dan Hardy at UFC 111. In the victory, St-Pierre reached new highs - and a disturbing low:
While St. Pierre was unable to finish Hardy, the grappling clinic he put on set three new career highs for GSP:
11 takedowns landed (previous high, 10 vs. Alves) 6 submission attempts (previous high, 5 vs. Koscheck) 26 positional improvements (previous high, 14 vs. Miller)
Less impressive was the total number of heavy strikes landed by GSP. After landing a career-high 106 HiPer Strikes against Jon Fitch, St. Pierre's striking tally has declined in each of his last three fights:
49 vs. Penn (in four rounds) 41 vs. Alves 35 vs. Hardy
If Luke Thomas took the glass is half-empty view and Brent Brookhouse the half-full view, I guess that leaves the glass has water in it view to me. St-Pierre couldn't put away an outmatched opponent, but is that really that surprising? Georges has never shown preternatural one strike power, eliminating any kind of notion that he could put Hardy away toe-to-toe. And while he has impressive submission victories in the past, he's no Demian Maia or B.J. Penn either.
Brent made the analogy that B.J. Penn is to Manny Pacquiao as Georges St-Pierre is to Floyd Mayweather. It's not exactly the most eloquent comparison, but I agree with it in at least one aspect: a dominating win is a dominating win whether it ends in a finish or not. Mayweather gets flack for his defensive style of boxing, but the fact is that he makes other professional athletes look like children in the ring with him. The same holds true for St-Pierre.
It's not as if his opponents don't know what to expect either. They know that Georges might stand in front of them for awhile, but it's just a matter of time before he breaks out the wrasslin'. Yet, there's nothing they can do to contain it, let alone stop it completely.
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Post by ville on Mar 28, 2010 22:58:23 GMT -5
Not a bunch of TapouT hat wearing "Dude, I train" kind of people. I have nothing against people who train, even I train but seriously I hate those guys. I honestly don't know how people can consider GSP the p4p best after last night... Dan Hardy impressed me more in his loss than GSP did by winning the fight. when you have a guy like Anderson Silva who makes his opponents look foolish and who completely destroys every opponent so bad that they aen't the same fighter after they lose its hard to put GSP above him.. or BJ Penn who will actually toy with his opponents just to make them think they actually have a chance and HE WILL decide what round he wants to finish them... or Fedor who never has a boring fight and can just as easily submit his opponents as he can knock them out... I wouldn't put GSP above any of the above fighters. GSP honestly hasn't been the same fighter since his loss to Matt Serra. All he does now is use his wrestling. His strategy always works but when you have guys like Anderson Silva, BJ Penn, and Fedor who ALL take being the best fighter in the world just as seriously as GSP does he has to feel like he has to step up his aggressiveness. ON PAPER, Dan Hardy was a guy who GSP should have had no problem finishing off whenever the hell he wanted. But instead GSP struggled to submit Hardy. He had a dominating performance for sure but I was still more impressed by Dan Hardy. the only fight that interests me with GSP is a fight with Anderson Silva. I don't care to see a rematch with Fitch, Alves, Koscheck, etc...I don't care to see a fight with Daley because it will look exactly like the fight last night.. If GSP honestly wants to test himself he needs to fight Anderson. I respect GSP's skill and all but you're right, yes, GSP can dominat almost anyone in the WW divison, some of his fights are exiting and some arn't. To me this on was but only because he was active. I wish Hardy could of kept it standing. GSP vs Silva? Hendo is a way better wrestler than GSP and even he lost so no hope for GSP on the ground and him standing up with Silva would be a huge mistake. What a boring fight that turned out to be. GSP pretty much just lay on Hardy for 20 odd minutes, because he knew he couldn't stand with him. Smart? Yes - but also completely unexciting. IT WAS AN MMA FIGHT! I though it was very fun to watch.
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Post by carly1988 on Mar 28, 2010 23:23:23 GMT -5
Honestly if you thought the GSP fight was terrible then maybe MMA really isnt for you. Unlike pro wrestling, MMA and boxing is real. Its a science not "entertainment". Their is strategy and art work to defeat opponents. There isnt any creative writing teams that says "Ok, we're gonna get them all worked up and then you knock them out". Seriously, I dont see how people can say it was a bad fight at all.
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Post by NYdream™ on Mar 29, 2010 0:18:49 GMT -5
What a boring fight that turned out to be. GSP pretty much just lay on Hardy for 20 odd minutes, because he knew he couldn't stand with him. Smart? Yes - but also completely unexciting. Dude... Go watch wrestling. Your only upset because your starting that the UK wont have a champion for quite a while...
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