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Post by 1992 on Mar 30, 2010 16:07:38 GMT -5
 I remember a certain guy who wouldn't leave the ECW fans alone and continuously dropped in the ECW thread just to announce he didn't like and argue over Zack Ryder every other day during the last month or so of ECW's existence, and whine about the ThreadHead thing, which did no harm to anyone. All of which accomplished nothing. I remember that a tad differently. I remember going into a thread, putting the word 'disgraceful' next to a picture of Zack Ryder with championship gold, and being told to piss off by a supposedly tranquil and peaceful forum member. But whatever. And what did doing that accomplish? That's how you remember it then, I guarantee at least 5-6 other members remember it a tad different too. Arguing like this accomplishes nothing, but don't climb on a soap box and start calling everyone names when you've done this whole song a dance yourself. |
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Post by Johnny Wrestling on Mar 30, 2010 16:07:46 GMT -5
Without looking at the 7 pages, I take it this is a massive, s***, nonsensical argument about Orton vs. Mr. Kennedy (sorry, Anderson). Why the hell is jSYN back again? You're all fan boys. Neither Kennedy or Orton are anything special in my view, but whatever. On the flip side, I do like both of them. But as with everything, you people have to cream over one or two guys and hate on another couple of guys. CM Punk. Well, I think what happens here is that JSYN basically wants to make us all say Anderson is better than Orton, which is not. Yes, IMO, both are good, but Anderson is nowhere near as great as Orton. And why is he back? He's always been here. |
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Post by wabarrett on Mar 30, 2010 16:10:39 GMT -5
I remember that a tad differently. I remember going into a thread, putting the word 'disgraceful' next to a picture of Zack Ryder with championship gold, and being told to piss off by a supposedly tranquil and peaceful forum member. But whatever. And what did doing that accomplish? That's how you remember it then, I guarantee at least 5-6 other members remember it a tad different too. Arguing like this accomplishes nothing, but don't climb on a soap box and start calling everyone names when you've done this whole song a dance yourself. In fairness, I don't make the same argument over and over for seven pages, beating a dead horse and fighting a lost cause. Like now for instance, where I shall not say another word in this thread (unless, of course, I am physically provoked. Go on, provoke me, I'm beggin' you to just please provoke me.) |
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Post by 1992 on Mar 30, 2010 16:10:46 GMT -5
Without looking at the 7 pages, I take it this is a massive, s***, nonsensical argument about Orton vs. Mr. Kennedy (sorry, Anderson). Why the hell is jSYN back again? You're all fan boys. Neither Kennedy or Orton are anything special in my view, but whatever. On the flip side, I do like both of them. But as with everything, you people have to cream over one or two guys and hate on another couple of guys. CM Punk. Well, I think what happens here is that JSYN basically wants to make us all say Anderson is better than Orton, which is not. Yes, IMO, both are good, but Anderson is nowhere near as great as Orton. And why is he back? He's always been here. +1 for snaking Punk in there like that. Brilliant. |
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Post by CF9™ on Mar 30, 2010 16:13:14 GMT -5
Randy was really cool in that video. I'm not gonna argue about Kennedy, because I don't wanna get started. But Orton is the man, and he served Kennedy an ass-whoopin' there. I like that he can do these things now that he's face.
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Mar 30, 2010 16:14:00 GMT -5
And what did doing that accomplish? That's how you remember it then, I guarantee at least 5-6 other members remember it a tad different too. Arguing like this accomplishes nothing, but don't climb on a soap box and start calling everyone names when you've done this whole song a dance yourself. In fairness, I don't make the same argument over and over for seven pages, beating a dead horse and fighting a lost cause. Like now for instance, where I shall not say another word in this thread ( unless, of course, I am physically provoked. Go on, provoke me, I'm beggin' you to just please provoke me.) |
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Post by Sam on Mar 30, 2010 16:14:21 GMT -5
Hold on a minute, didn't he say in his goodbye thread he doesn't act this way in real life and was sorry for how long he acted like it? Or was that complete bullcrap as well? I did apologize, but I'm not sorry now. I get no respect for my goodbye and basically got told to f*ck off. I've came to the realization that If I bother you people so much, YOU can leave. It's not my fault that you can't handle somebody who isn't in favor of your popular opinions. Respect? You acted like a massive dick to people. I don't care if you were defending him because he is your favorite, I wouldn't act the way you did. And why should we leave because you want to ram down our throats how much Anderson means to you. Like I've said before, I like Anderson, but you go over the line when something bad is said about him. |
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Post by wabarrett on Mar 30, 2010 16:16:03 GMT -5
In fairness, I don't make the same argument over and over for seven pages, beating a dead horse and fighting a lost cause. Like now for instance, where I shall not say another word in this thread ( unless, of course, I am physically provoked. Go on, provoke me, I'm beggin' you to just please provoke me.) Not too sure what you were getting at there, but nice video nonetheless. I was simply quoting Mr Stone Cold. |
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Mar 30, 2010 16:18:30 GMT -5
Not too sure what you were getting at there, but nice video nonetheless. I was simply quoting Mr Stone Cold. I know you were quoting Austin, hence why I posted a rather redneckish video of someone being physically provoked. Just a joke man. Take it easy.  |
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Post by wabarrett on Mar 30, 2010 16:20:48 GMT -5
Not too sure what you were getting at there, but nice video nonetheless. I was simply quoting Mr Stone Cold. I know you were quoting Austin, hence why I posted a rather redneckish video of someone being physically provoked. Just a joke man. Take it easy. I'm cool, I'm cool. ;D |
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Post by ReDxEnEmY718 on Mar 30, 2010 16:21:58 GMT -5
Talking and walking really slow is just apart of Randy Orton's gimmick. It's not because the guy really does talk and walk slow, it just suits his heel gimmick better. He's not the heel like Kennedy that's quick witted and always has some clever banter just waiting to come out, Orton is a different type of heel. You have to think gimmick-wise, Orton is a different heel than Kennedy was. You can't compare the two because they worked totally different. That's like saying Bret Hart was better than the Boogeyman. lol cleary he is better than the Boogeyman but to compare the two is a joke because they were both pushed very differently.
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Post by thegenius on Mar 30, 2010 16:42:22 GMT -5
I did apologize, but I'm not sorry now. I get no respect for my goodbye and basically got told to f*ck off. I've came to the realization that If I bother you people so much, YOU can leave. It's not my fault that you can't handle somebody who isn't in favor of your popular opinions. Respect? You acted like a massive dick to people. I don't care if you were defending him because he is your favorite, I wouldn't act the way you did. And why should we leave because you want to ram down our throats how much Anderson means to you. Like I've said before, I like Anderson, but you go over the line when something bad is said about him. I don't go over the line. I'm just defending the guy cause nobody else will. I haven't bashed anybody or done anything to result in a banning. Like I said, I couldn't care less if people like him or not, I'm just contributing to ridiculous statements like "Anderson isn't over" or "Anderson has no decent feud". Peope just say "Orton > Anderson" and I ask why and they say "Well, he's more over and has held more titles." That means that Orton was better than Jake Roberts, Mr. Perfect, Owen Hart, and everyone else who hasn't held more titles than him. Bullpoop. I demand a good reason as to why Orton is better other than "Oh, well... he's more over", that's translating to "You like him and you shove him down our throat, so I'm going with the opposite, f*ck you!". |
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Post by Sam on Mar 30, 2010 16:51:42 GMT -5
Respect? You acted like a massive dick to people. I don't care if you were defending him because he is your favorite, I wouldn't act the way you did. And why should we leave because you want to ram down our throats how much Anderson means to you. Like I've said before, I like Anderson, but you go over the line when something bad is said about him. I don't go over the line. I'm just defending the guy cause nobody else will. I haven't bashed anybody or done anything to result in a banning. Like I said, I couldn't care less if people like him or not, I'm just contributing to ridiculous statements like "Anderson isn't over" or "Anderson has no decent feud". Peope just say "Orton > Anderson" and I ask why and they say "Well, he's more over and has held more titles." That means that Orton was better than Jake Roberts, Mr. Perfect, Owen Hart, and everyone else who hasn't held more titles than him. Bullpoop. I demand a good reason as to why Orton is better other than "Oh, well... he's more over", that's translating to "You like him and you shove him down our throat, so I'm going with the opposite, f*ck you!". - Been mentored by Ric Flair and Triple H
- Was apart of the best heel stable last decade in what was Evolution
- Had one of the best Intercontinenal Championship regins in over 20 years when he was in Evolution
- The Legend Killer gimmick
- Had a classic WrestleMania match with Undertaker at WM21
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Post by ReDxEnEmY718 on Mar 30, 2010 17:09:55 GMT -5
Probably the best explanation one could possibly make about Orton being better than Kennedy is, Orton just had the better luck. There's no use comparing gimmicks because it's apples and oranges really. One's a stone cold, reprehensible heel while the other is a quick witted, smart ass who's great on the mic. No use comparing them on those levels because that would be a fruitless endeavor with no end in sight. I'm actually a fan of Mr. Kennedy/Anderson and there was no doubt in my mind that he would one day be World Heavyweight Champion after winning that Money in the Bank match. What happened to the guy? He got injured thus losing his Money in the Bank briefcase to Edge in a pretty sloppy match on Raw I think it was. The best explanation one could say about Orton being better than Kennedy is, he just had the better luck. Kennedy was about to get a monster push if he were to cash in his Money in the Bank briefcase against Undertaker. You better believe that what was to follow would've been a monster push for the guy, thing is, he got injured and that monster push went to Edge who really didn't even need it. If anything, Kennedy was just a victim of bad luck. Had he gotten his monster push, he could've escalated to heights that of Randy Orton, sht maybe even bigger than Orton. Who knows? Thing is, he got injured and ultimately got lost in the shuffle. As far as wrestling goes, they're both good wrestlers but when you compare accomplishments between the two, it's easy to say that the man who's won the most gold is better. Kennedy was over, no doubt about it, Orton just had the better luck of not being injured most of the time and enjoying the fruit of his heel push. Though he may not be as entertaining as the quick witted Mr. Anderson (who's doing really well for himself in TNA, I'm really enjoying his schtick), there are different forms of entertainment and Orton made a name for himself with his viper, reprehenisble heel gimmick. Things could've been a lot different for Kennedy without the presence of bad luck. It sucks but such as life, everything sucks. lol
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Post by AdamBomb on Mar 30, 2010 17:10:59 GMT -5
I've said it before, I'll say it again.
The difference between 98% of this forum, and a guy like JSYN is that even though we all have our favorites - we know when to shut up, and we don't harp on an argument for pages upon pages saying basically, "Nuh-uh, UR WRONG N I IZ RITE!" without so much as budging.
For example, when was the LAST time I couldn't shut up about Ultimo Dragon, Jericho, Punk, Bourne, Gail, or McCool?
I love the HELL out of those wrestlers, but I don't continually talk and argue about them to anyone who will listen.
I'll just say this: JSYN, when you left, this board was a hell of a lot more calm, we didn't have ridiculous threads like this, and generally the forum seemed much happier without you.
Why you haven't been banned in all of the collective time you have been a member here is completely beyond me. Keep trollin buddy, keep trollin.
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Post by XHW on Mar 30, 2010 17:20:29 GMT -5
I like both guys so it's tough to so who I think is right and all that but what Orton said was funny but I think if Ken has a gimmick that works then he shouldn't change it
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Post by Joey Cush on Mar 30, 2010 17:27:21 GMT -5
lol
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Post by thegenius on Mar 30, 2010 17:29:24 GMT -5
I've said it before, I'll say it again. The difference between 98% of this forum, and a guy like JSYN is that even though we all have our favorites - we know when to shut up, and we don't harp on an argument for pages upon pages saying basically, "Nuh-uh, UR WRONG N I IZ RITE!" without so much as budging. For example, when was the LAST time I couldn't shut up about Ultimo Dragon, Jericho, Punk, Bourne, Gail, or McCool? I love the HELL out of those wrestlers, but I don't continually talk and argue about them to anyone who will listen. I'll just say this: JSYN, when you left, this board was a hell of a lot more calm, we didn't have ridiculous threads like this, and generally the forum seemed much happier without you. Why you haven't been banned in all of the collective time you have been a member here is completely beyond me. Keep trollin buddy, keep trollin. If you don't have anything to contribute to the thread, then don't post at all. I could say the same thing about the "holier than thou" people like yourself who think they own the board just because they have a couple of stars under their name. I don't care who wants me here, if you can't handle me, you leave. I don't have no problems with any of you . And FYI, Orton's accomplishments mean nothing in this debate. WWE had huge man-love for them, and pushed him despite A. getting suspended, B. trashing hotels, C. putting "lotion" in divas bags and D. just being an all-around dickhead. Yet, Anderson supposedly drops this dickhead on his delicate shoulder and gets fired over it. I suppose since Orton says he wasn't very good, it's gospel now, right? Forget Paul Heyman, Steve Austin, Tommy Dreamer and all the other guys who are behind the guy, Blandy Orton knows what he's talking about! Right, the bullocks wouldn't have even got his start if he didn't pop out of his daddy's dick. |
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Post by sean™ on Mar 30, 2010 17:29:46 GMT -5
Sean's reasons for why Randy Orton is better than Ken Kennedy.
1. Finisher
Orton has a more explosive, and better finisher. He can hit it at almost any time, can reverse several moves into it, and it's a move that can be used in corporation with other items like chairs, ladders, tables. Ken's move, Mic Check, is a more technical finisher to the point where there's more of a set up involved. Because of the set up, it's harder to hit out of no where, and thus isn't as explosive.
As far as it being better, not only does the RKO look more devastating then the Mic Check, but it also looks better based off of A. the height Orton gets from his jump and 2. the way each person lands. Now I'm sure the first thing you'll want to jump to is how "the other wrestler is the one that makes the move look good, not Orton". Fair enough, but the same must be said for Ken.
2. Acting
Ken isn't terrible at acting, unless it's a character that isn't the one he's playing right now. Randy Orton's pushes have taken him from being a loud mouth punk in Evolution, to a revenge-filled loner, to a cocky Legend Killer, to selfish violent coward, to a crazed mastermind. Throughout his career, it's not like Orton has been the same guy, saying the same things for years. During Evolution, when he did talk, it was with more energy and brass balls behind it. During his loner time on Smackdown, it was with confidence and arrogance, but more so with attitude. Once he entered his feud with Cena, which was ruined by Mr. Kennedy might I add, he was allowed to show a crazy, focused side for which we had not seen before. He attacked family members, and started showing us that focused in stare he has now. When he came back from injury, his character once again took another turn, as arrogance turned into assurance, and confidence wasn't even a factor. It became "I'm the best, and here's why". I do what I want, when I want, and no one will stop me.
Ken's character, while very entertaining at times, is no where near as complex as Orton's character say a year and a month ago. As far as entertaining goes, since you want to keep using Kurt Angle as a comparison, I'd like to point back to ECW ONS 06. Not only did Orton hold his own in that match, as well as playing up the heel role, but the Tuesday prior, he cut a great promo on Kurt. It had humor, intensity, and substance. Now am I saying Ken's promos don't have this or haven't had this? No. I'm just saying Orton has done it better.
3. Crowd Reaction
I've seen Mr. Kennedy/Anderson a total of 4 times in the ring. 3 times for the WWE, over a span of 3 years, and once in TNA. 2 times in the WWE, he was a heel. In fact, one of the times I saw him was right between Royal Rumble 07 and WM23. At this point, he had just held his own in a title match against Batista, and was somewhat the biggest heel on Smackdown. Here's the funny thing though. Randy Orton was on the same card, at the same time, and he was a heel too. And I'll tell you what, I'd have to say Orton's reaction muffled out Ken's. Not even close.
Fast forward a year, and no Orton to compare this time around, but still a mixed reaction as people were liking him due to the entrance.
One year later, same thing.
Wither you think it's fair or not to compare their crowd reaction because "Orton was more exposed" is not the point. Point was, Orton has always gotten a better reaction. Doing bad things, doing good things, doing bad things to good people. Punting, RKOing, Talking, Cheating, Winning, Losing. Always more reaction coming for a crowd then I can remember anything Ken had done.
Outside of maybe Ken's GBP from the top of the ladder with Hornswoggle. Whats funny is Orton's RKO to Punk earlier in the match got almost the same reaction.
4. Looks
I'd love to see a FATHEAD Orton right next to a FATHEAD Kennedy. You know why? So I could point out how one of them obviously looks like he is in shape, is very athletic, and takes care of himself to insure his own health.......and how the other one is Kennedy. Seriously, Randy's abs alone put Ken's entire body to shame. Hell, if you want to get all nit picky with these "opinions", need I say more then "Clown Tattoo"? As far as the hair goes, I'm not personally a fan of Skin Head Orton, but I much less of a fan of a full blond goatee. Ken looks fine without facial hair, so heres to hoping he stays with that.
5. Accountability
Is Randy Orton a class citizen? NO. Human Bean? NO Wrestler? Not even that.
But the difference between Orton and Ken is when asked those questions about things in the past or present that might not be flattering or in any way positive, Orton's owned up to his actions. Ken has been under fire for a lot of things, and very rarely seems to take responsibility. Just using his last night on Raw alone, he's given several different accounts of what happened, and seems to add more detail every time he talks about it.
Anger and Maturity Issues: Orton owned up to it on several occasions
Pot Smoking: Orton quit when he had his baby girl
Motorcycle Accident: Orton owed up to how stupid it was in WWE magazine.
Only since his firing has Ken actually owned up to certain things, and not attempted to cast blame on others. However, since we are encompassing all of their careers, this is still a reason for me.
Please feel free to eat all this up and spew out whatever you'd like in "defense." You asked for a list of reasons why that didn't include "he's more over" or any other bland excuse one could come up with. So here you go.
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Post by brethartfan619 on Mar 30, 2010 17:31:53 GMT -5
Orton and Anderson are both quality performers imo. Orton has been more successful and overall, has better bell to bell wrestling ability, but anderson has better mic skils and charisma. They both contribute something to wrestling!
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