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Post by SodaGuy on Aug 9, 2010 1:31:18 GMT -5
The only thing is... it takes WWE 5-7 years to make their really big stars (John Cena, Randy Orton) with all the resources they have. It'll take TNA longer due to the resources they don't have. Somebody has to draw in attendances and ratings. I think comparing the two is like comparing apples and oranges. I think part of TNA's problem is that they dont invest the time to build stars. If they take that money spent on nash, hogan, etc and try to keep the talent they have and keep guys like Angle/Christian, etc. They'd have a nice core of well recognized stars. I'm not denying that, I just think comparing WWE's building stars to TNA building stars is different. TNA needs to build recognizable wrestling stars while WWE wants to build superstars who is best buds with four celebrities of stuff like that. TNA just needs 4-6 names that can do media appearances and people know who they are which is easier said than done.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Aug 9, 2010 1:34:59 GMT -5
Sweet, love you sig by the way,lol. I've said this before but I feel really sad for those guys (TNA originals) that lost a paycheck or had to get cut to make room for this ppv tonight. This coulda been dobe somewhere else, not that it even needed to be done in the first place. I understand ECW people getting a little psyched for it, but Ya really gotta question If this was good for TNA. Did this do anything for our own stars? Did it do anything to help promote the company? imo, that's the real tragedy of this ppv. Now if TNA can somehow curtail this into an interesting storyline that actually pushed their own talent..ie Lethal, AJ, Joe, MCMG, etc, then It might be a good move. But I'll bet my house that aint gonna be what happens What's your house look like? I mean, if someone was going to take the bet that's something someone would want to know, dontcha think? Just messing with you. You're right about them missing pay-days which was my complaint from the start of things but we'll see what happens. I doubt anyone is going to quit over it so *shrugs*. Yes TNA guys deserve the push, but MCMG got a great push, AJ, Kaz, Wolfe, and Beer Money got a great push in Forune, Lethal got a huge push in the feud with Flair.... But TNA is playing it smart. They are using established stars from WWE to pull in crowds. Would you rather watch Tommy the Flying Zebra who you have never heard of, or Kurt Angle, Hulk Hogan, Sting, Jerrett, Matt Morgan, Dudley's, Rhino, Tommy Dreamer, RVD, Jeff Hardy??? Its a no brainer. TNA has the Huge names on top because it is a drawing game. Hardy is their big draw with the young crowd, as Hogan and Flair is the draw for the older crowd. Once TNA maintains 1.5-2.0, we will gradually see the other guys rise, if not quickly.
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Post by SodaGuy on Aug 9, 2010 1:37:27 GMT -5
I didn't say anything... and to be fair.... I would watch an actual Zebra poop all over the place over a Jeff Hardy match. Hell, I wouldn't mind seeing this Tommy The Flying Zebra vs. An Actual Zebra over a Jeff Hardy match.
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Post by deskjet on Aug 9, 2010 1:37:36 GMT -5
Sweet, love you sig by the way,lol. I've said this before but I feel really sad for those guys (TNA originals) that lost a paycheck or had to get cut to make room for this ppv tonight. This coulda been dobe somewhere else, not that it even needed to be done in the first place. I understand ECW people getting a little psyched for it, but Ya really gotta question If this was good for TNA. Did this do anything for our own stars? Did it do anything to help promote the company? imo, that's the real tragedy of this ppv. Now if TNA can somehow curtail this into an interesting storyline that actually pushed their own talent..ie Lethal, AJ, Joe, MCMG, etc, then It might be a good move. But I'll bet my house that aint gonna be what happens What's your house look like? I mean, if someone was going to take the bet that's something someone would want to know, dontcha think? Just messing with you. You're right about them missing pay-days which was my complaint from the start of things but we'll see what happens. I doubt anyone is going to quit over it so *shrugs*. Hey, In honor of the ppv and so ya know there's no hard feeling toward my rant on you,,,I'm sending you a hug,lol no homo
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Post by jayrod2009 on Aug 9, 2010 1:41:36 GMT -5
I didn't say anything... and to be fair.... I would watch an actual Zebra poop all over the place over a Jeff Hardy match. Hell, I wouldn't mind seeing this Tommy The Flying Zebra vs. An Actual Zebra over a Jeff Hardy match. My point wasn't directed at you. We both know the importance of Hardy in TNA. But yes, Tommy the Flying Zebra is 5'8 197 pounds, hailing from Africa. He is a 2 time cruiserweight champion, and he can bench press the rear end of a Zebra. He was raised in the bush with Zebra where he was taught to stay away from Lions and Croc's. And tonite's Main Event is a 3-way, Where Tommy Z faces a Lion and Croc, for the cruiserweight title..... Man can them croc's hit the ropes fast.........
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Post by deskjet on Aug 9, 2010 1:42:15 GMT -5
What's your house look like? I mean, if someone was going to take the bet that's something someone would want to know, dontcha think? Just messing with you. You're right about them missing pay-days which was my complaint from the start of things but we'll see what happens. I doubt anyone is going to quit over it so *shrugs*. Yes TNA guys deserve the push, but MCMG got a great push, AJ, Kaz, Wolfe, and Beer Money got a great push in Forune, Lethal got a huge push in the feud with Flair.... But TNA is playing it smart. They are using established stars from WWE to pull in crowds. Would you rather watch Tommy the Flying Zebra who you have never heard of, or Kurt Angle, Hulk Hogan, Sting, Jerrett, Matt Morgan, Dudley's, Rhino, Tommy Dreamer, RVD, Jeff Hardy??? Its a no brainer. TNA has the Huge names on top because it is a drawing game. Hardy is their big draw with the young crowd, as Hogan and Flair is the draw for the older crowd. Once TNA maintains 1.5-2.0, we will gradually see the other guys rise, if not quickly. No offense, Heard this stuff before. But there;s no reason to take nearly a month of your programming and scrap it for guys who havent been on tv for years. A bad decision by TNA. yes they have a great roster but they sorely need to learn how to balance it. I thought before this ECW thing they were finally gettin their shyt together then they pull something like this. Thats the kind stuff that makes people hate on TNA. I am lookin forward to Thursday and hope now that they move forward the way they were before this. I guess to some degree they popped their ratings but at what cost
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Post by SodaGuy on Aug 9, 2010 1:42:28 GMT -5
What's your house look like? I mean, if someone was going to take the bet that's something someone would want to know, dontcha think? Just messing with you. You're right about them missing pay-days which was my complaint from the start of things but we'll see what happens. I doubt anyone is going to quit over it so *shrugs*. Hey, In honor of the ppv and so ya know there's no hard feeling toward my rant on you,,,I'm sending you a hug,lol no homo I don't hold grudges over the internet, if so, I would never reply to you. Jerk-Face!
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Aug 9, 2010 1:42:57 GMT -5
I think part of TNA's problem is that they dont invest the time to build stars. If they take that money spent on nash, hogan, etc and try to keep the talent they have and keep guys like Angle/Christian, etc. They'd have a nice core of well recognized stars. I'm not denying that, I just think comparing WWE's building stars to TNA building stars is different. TNA needs to build recognizable wrestling stars while WWE wants to build superstars who is best buds with four celebrities of stuff like that. TNA just needs 4-6 names that can do media appearances and people know who they are which is easier said than done. Well they certainly aren't working towards building stars by having a PPV centered around has-beens.
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Post by SodaGuy on Aug 9, 2010 1:43:47 GMT -5
I didn't say anything... and to be fair.... I would watch an actual Zebra poop all over the place over a Jeff Hardy match. Hell, I wouldn't mind seeing this Tommy The Flying Zebra vs. An Actual Zebra over a Jeff Hardy match. My point wasn't directed at you. We both know the importance of Hardy in TNA. But yes, Tommy the Flying Zebra is 5'8 197 pounds, hailing from Africa. He is a 2 time cruiserweight champion, and he can bench press the rear end of a Zebra. He was raised in the bush with Zebra where he was taught to stay away from Lions and Croc's. And tonite's Main Event is a 3-way, Where Tommy Z faces a Lion and Croc, for the cruiserweight title..... Man can them croc's hit the ropes fast......... Honestly, Hardy doesn't really have an importance in TNA. The ratings nor attendances have gone up since he has arrived, the only person who made a dent in ratings was Sting.
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Post by SodaGuy on Aug 9, 2010 1:45:28 GMT -5
I'm not denying that, I just think comparing WWE's building stars to TNA building stars is different. TNA needs to build recognizable wrestling stars while WWE wants to build superstars who is best buds with four celebrities of stuff like that. TNA just needs 4-6 names that can do media appearances and people know who they are which is easier said than done. Well they certainly aren't working towards building stars by having a PPV centered around has-beens. Take it back! TAKE IT BACK RIGHT NOW! Stevie Richards is not a has been, he's still a great wrestler and is in better shape than some of the guys TNA are pushing (Jeff Hardy). How dare you insult Stevie Richards? He's going to be a huge star. He'll show you, you'll see.
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Post by slappy on Aug 9, 2010 1:47:00 GMT -5
My point wasn't directed at you. We both know the importance of Hardy in TNA. But yes, Tommy the Flying Zebra is 5'8 197 pounds, hailing from Africa. He is a 2 time cruiserweight champion, and he can bench press the rear end of a Zebra. He was raised in the bush with Zebra where he was taught to stay away from Lions and Croc's. And tonite's Main Event is a 3-way, Where Tommy Z faces a Lion and Croc, for the cruiserweight title..... Man can them croc's hit the ropes fast......... Honestly, Hardy doesn't really have an importance in TNA. The ratings nor attendances have gone up since he has arrived, the only person who made a dent in ratings was Sting. If that's the case, what were the ratings before Sting came in?
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Post by jayrod2009 on Aug 9, 2010 1:48:23 GMT -5
My point wasn't directed at you. We both know the importance of Hardy in TNA. But yes, Tommy the Flying Zebra is 5'8 197 pounds, hailing from Africa. He is a 2 time cruiserweight champion, and he can bench press the rear end of a Zebra. He was raised in the bush with Zebra where he was taught to stay away from Lions and Croc's. And tonite's Main Event is a 3-way, Where Tommy Z faces a Lion and Croc, for the cruiserweight title..... Man can them croc's hit the ropes fast......... Honestly, Hardy doesn't really have an importance in TNA. The ratings nor attendances have gone up since he has arrived, the only person who made a dent in ratings was Sting. You remember the Live impact against WWE..... Over half this forum flipped the channel when they read Hardy was on TNA, and for those who missed it googled the crapout of it. He is a asset right now, unless he gets out of shape, I could see him doing bigger things now than his first run.
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Post by SodaGuy on Aug 9, 2010 1:50:17 GMT -5
Honestly, Hardy doesn't really have an importance in TNA. The ratings nor attendances have gone up since he has arrived, the only person who made a dent in ratings was Sting. If that's the case, what were the ratings before Sting came in? I think it was around a 0.9-1.0 with Sting coming in they did a 1.2 and then 1.1.
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Post by SodaGuy on Aug 9, 2010 1:51:55 GMT -5
Honestly, Hardy doesn't really have an importance in TNA. The ratings nor attendances have gone up since he has arrived, the only person who made a dent in ratings was Sting. You remember the Live impact against WWE..... Over half this forum flipped the channel when they read Hardy was on TNA, and for those who missed it googled the poop out of it. He is a asset right now, unless he gets out of shape, I could see him doing bigger things now than his first run. So, because a % of a wrestling forum flipped out = him being an asset to TNA? Eh, I don't think so. There has been no increase of buyrates nor ratings since he came in to suggest to me (or anyone really) that Jeff Hardy deserves a push over Desmond Wolfe to the top.
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Post by slappy on Aug 9, 2010 1:52:54 GMT -5
If that's the case, what were the ratings before Sting came in? I think it was around a 0.9-1.0 with Sting coming in they did a 1.2 and then 1.1. That's not a dent in the ratings. He hardly made it go up. That'd be like me saying Bret Hart coming back on Jan 4 made a dent in the WWE's ratings when in fact they hovered around the same ratings they had been getting for a while.
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Post by SodaGuy on Aug 9, 2010 1:54:40 GMT -5
I think it was around a 0.9-1.0 with Sting coming in they did a 1.2 and then 1.1. That's not a dent in the ratings. He hardly made it go up. That'd be like me saying Bret Hart coming back on Jan 4 made a dent in the WWE's ratings when in fact they hovered around the same ratings they had been getting for a while. My point is still valid though. He was the only person who made a scratch (better?) in the ratings out of anyone.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2010 1:54:56 GMT -5
How can you say TNA isn't focusing on the younger talent? Flair is mentoring Fortune AND putting over Lethal in the process since Flair is/was Lethal's idol so to speak. Hogan and Bischoff are helping Dixie "run" TNA and are trying to get guys like Nash and Sting to take a backseat (let's not point the irony, strictly going storyline here) so the other guys can make TNA theirs. Desmond and Magnus seem to be making a tag team and can very well be tag champs in the future. Hardy and RVD can still go (though few people have a problem with them), Styles is still relevant even with the TV title, just look at who the X-Title and Tag Champs are. Dinero/Anderson/Morgan are in a decent feud, which will lead into the blowoff we were initially going to get from Dinero/Anderson but Dinero got injured, never mind the fact both of those guys (hell even Morgan) can easily be put into the main event once the Abyss/RVD feud ends. Team 3D helped make Ink Inc. a bit more credible.
It seems those who have an issue with it hate that the people they want personally aren't in the pictures they want them to be in so they chalk it up to Hogan/Nash/Bischoff/Jarrett/Sting/Flair are forcing them down. When each of those names are doing something relevant.
EDIT: To be on topic, I liked HCJ. Nice seeing names I haven't seen in some time. Gangsters appearance shocked the hell out of me lol.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Aug 9, 2010 1:56:19 GMT -5
You remember the Live impact against WWE..... Over half this forum flipped the channel when they read Hardy was on TNA, and for those who missed it googled the poop out of it. He is a asset right now, unless he gets out of shape, I could see him doing bigger things now than his first run. So, because a % of a wrestling forum flipped out = him being an asset to TNA? Eh, I don't think so. There has been no increase of buyrates nor ratings since he came in to suggest to me (or anyone really) that Jeff Hardy deserves a push over Desmond Wolfe to the top. Sure it shows he's an asset. It showed that he still had a interest. I know the Hardy merch has sold alot, and we both know the figure will be a hot seller. Why you gotta break my balls SG huh?
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Post by slappy on Aug 9, 2010 1:59:40 GMT -5
That's not a dent in the ratings. He hardly made it go up. That'd be like me saying Bret Hart coming back on Jan 4 made a dent in the WWE's ratings when in fact they hovered around the same ratings they had been getting for a while. My point is still valid though. He was the only person who made a scratch (better?) in the ratings out of anyone. I hate to give the man credit, but the ratings were around 1 when Jan 4 arrived. Hogan came in and the rating for that show was a 1.5. Was it Hogan that caused it to happen? Because that'd be a bigger scratch in the ratings than Sting.
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Post by SodaGuy on Aug 9, 2010 2:00:08 GMT -5
So, because a % of a wrestling forum flipped out = him being an asset to TNA? Eh, I don't think so. There has been no increase of buyrates nor ratings since he came in to suggest to me (or anyone really) that Jeff Hardy deserves a push over Desmond Wolfe to the top. Sure it shows he's an asset. It showed that he still had a interest. I know the Hardy merch has sold alot, and we both know the figure will be a hot seller. Why you gotta break my balls SG huh? It still doesn't mean he should get a push over Desmond Wolfe just because a % of fans like him. Wolfe's figure could be a hot seller to, if pushed right.
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