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Post by jayrod2009 on Aug 9, 2010 2:02:18 GMT -5
Sure it shows he's an asset. It showed that he still had a interest. I know the Hardy merch has sold alot, and we both know the figure will be a hot seller. Why you gotta break my balls SG huh? It still doesn't mean he should get a push over Desmond Wolfe just because a % of fans like him. Wolfe's figure could be a hot seller to, if pushed right. I agree... If I was booking the first match I would push for would be Joe - Wolfe, no limits. But like I said, TNA needs to play it safe with the big names, and when they get a steady and high enough rating, then slowly loose the big names, and create their own in the process.
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Post by SodaGuy on Aug 9, 2010 2:03:32 GMT -5
How can you say TNA isn't focusing on the younger talent? Flair is mentoring Fortune AND putting over Lethal in the process since Flair is/was Lethal's idol so to speak. Hogan and Bischoff are helping Dixie "run" TNA and are trying to get guys like Nash and Sting to take a backseat (let's not point the irony, strictly going storyline here) so the other guys can make TNA theirs. Desmond and Magnus seem to be making a tag team and can very well be tag champs in the future. Hardy and RVD can still go (though few people have a problem with them), Styles is still relevant even with the TV title, just look at who the X-Title and Tag Champs are. Dinero/Anderson/Morgan are in a decent feud, which will lead into the blowoff we were initially going to get from Dinero/Anderson but Dinero got injured, never mind the fact both of those guys (hell even Morgan) can easily be put into the main event once the Abyss/RVD feud ends. Team 3D helped make Ink Inc. a bit more credible. It seems those who have an issue with it hate that the people they want personally aren't in the pictures they want them to be in so they chalk it up to Hogan/Nash/Bischoff/Jarrett/Sting/Flair are forcing them down. When each of those names are doing something relevant. EDIT: To be on topic, I liked HCJ. Nice seeing names I haven't seen in some time. Gangsters appearance shocked the hell out of me lol. I'm not saying TNA sin't posting young guys for the record, they're doing a good job at it. They just need to make them into house hold names. My point is still valid though. He was the only person who made a scratch (better?) in the ratings out of anyone. I hate to give the man credit, but the ratings were around 1 when Jan 4 arrived. Hogan came in and the rating for that show was a 1.5. Was it Hogan that caused it to happen? Because that'd be a bigger scratch in the ratings than Sting. I'm talking about active wrestlers that came in to actually wrestle (Sting, Anderson, Hardy, Angle, etc) not the guys that were brought in for other reasons like Hogan, Bischoff, and Flair. If we're talking all around then yeah, Hogan put a bigger dent in the ratings then anyone. But, as far as people are are actively wrestling on iMPACT and on PPV - Sting was the "big name" that brought in ratings for TNA.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Aug 9, 2010 2:06:50 GMT -5
1. The WWE is pushing younger guys now more than ever. Of course they're still gonna utilize their veterans but they're also putting a lot of younger guys over. This is why the WWE is superior to TNA, because they're not focusing on senior citizens. 2. I'm not brainwashed and I'm not saying I didn't like this PPV because Jimbobbombshell97 or whoever didn't like it. I don't even know who that is or what you're talking about. I didn't think this PPV was any good at all, I thought it was terrible based on my wrestling tastes NOT because of what any body else said. As I've said a million times before, I have ABSOLUTELY NO INTEREST in watching any of these ECW guys wrestle. I want to see Desmond Wolfe headline a PPV, not ing Tommy Dreamer. Why is that so hard to comprehend? 3. Did you really just say I'm probably the same guy that marked out for Hulk Hogan, Goldberg, and Taz? LMFAO! I have NEVER, liked any one of those three people you just mentioned. I've hated Hogan since I was a kid, I never really cared about Goldberg never mind "marked" out for him, and I really REALLY don't like Taz. Never did and never will. So stop assuming you know so much about me, because you clearly don't. 4. I DIDN'T ORDER THIS ING PPV! MY FRIEND DID! I WAS WATCHING IT WITH HIM, AND I DIDN'T PAY A DIME FOR IT! I would have never ordered or paid for this PPV myself. He got it, I was stoned and I still thought it sucked. If you liked it, good for you, I didn't. I don't care about these old fossils, I care about TNA focusing on their younger talent. So your more of a Jericho and Danielson are God's fan? WWE can entertain now and then, but not like it was in the 90's and up until 2002. Im not saying I know you, and even if you don't match that description, most people here do. Im just saying, you should learn to enjoy instead of hate.... Well, I would love to enjoy TNA instead of hating it, but you see the problem with that is I'M NOT GOING TO ING FORCE MYSELF TO LIKE SOMETHING IF I THINK IT'S STUPID! If they're doing sh*t I don't like, I'm supposed to just keep my mouth shut and just accept it, and enjoy it even though I don't like it? No, not gonna happen, I want my opinion to be heard. Also, yes I do think Danielson is the best, but not Jericho. I don't even like Jericho. And I actually like the WWE now more than ever. Thanks mostly to Danielson, Barrett, the Nexus, and NXT.
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Post by BCizzle on Aug 9, 2010 2:08:30 GMT -5
Im just wondering where sabu wouldve ended up if Lynn was able to compete Attacked in the back by Hardcore Holly?
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Post by BCizzle on Aug 9, 2010 2:10:12 GMT -5
So according to this thread, this PPV was horrible, great, and mediocre, all at the same time. Sounds like old school ECW to me.
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Post by Joey Cush on Aug 9, 2010 2:10:55 GMT -5
Wow... I really wish they didnt pull this PPV our of their asses. If they would have planned it a few months in advance, could have been a good PPV because they could have gotten a lock on some guys who didnt work tonight .
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Post by SodaGuy on Aug 9, 2010 2:12:19 GMT -5
So according to this thread, this PPV was horrible, great, and mediocre, all at the same time. Sounds like old school ECW to me. I'm assuming you didn't watch the pay-per-view, so, let me explain it like this: If you have $35 bucks laying around that you think "Psh, who needs food?!" and just want to have some fun, I say order the replay. It was fun to watch without being a critic. If you are strapped for cash then just wait until the DVD is in one of Don West Insane Deals for $5 bucks. That's the only way to really explain it. Haha. Wow... I really wish they didnt pull this PPV our of their asses. If they would have planned it a few months in advance, could have been a good PPV because they could have gotten a lock on some guys who didnt work tonight . I'm not trying to start anything bro, but if you would have worded your post earlier with that response - I wouldn't have had replied to you, for real. I would have saw what you meant (and would have agreed). I wasn't trying to jump on your, just for the record, either I just think we're just like two rams... we're just going to but heads until one of our antlers fall offs (Rams do have antlers... right? Whatever).
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Post by bagofgold on Aug 9, 2010 2:25:43 GMT -5
i thought this ppv was a lot of fun.. all this complaining lets me know people went in with a negative mind - set . ive seen nothing but smarky comments.. what kind of wrestling fan complains about a sing being a "plant" what kind of nerd even notices that beside some nerd who spends all his time online studying wrestling when he's not watching porn or playing xbox live. Wrestling has always had fun moments/silly i dont see anybody caring when Chavo tried chasing a mdiget through a wall A ING WALL! The dance off was hilarious , the light sabers was a little random.. but it looks like they were just out there trying to have a good time.. it was fun. I bet the internet community hates they cant blame this one on russo.. a guy who had a huge influence on the original ECW wrote this show .
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Post by jayrod2009 on Aug 9, 2010 2:27:07 GMT -5
So your more of a Jericho and Danielson are God's fan? WWE can entertain now and then, but not like it was in the 90's and up until 2002. Im not saying I know you, and even if you don't match that description, most people here do. Im just saying, you should learn to enjoy instead of hate.... Well, I would love to enjoy TNA instead of hating it, but you see the problem with that is I'M NOT GOING TO ING FORCE MYSELF TO LIKE SOMETHING IF I THINK IT'S STUPID! If they're doing sh*t I don't like, I'm supposed to just keep my mouth shut and just accept it, and enjoy it even though I don't like it? No, not gonna happen, I want my opinion to be heard. Also, yes I do think Danielson is the best, but not Jericho. I don't even like Jericho. And I actually like the WWE now more than ever. Thanks mostly to Danielson, Barrett, the Nexus, and NXT. Im not telling you to enjoy it if you don't want to. No one here is forcing you. Everyone wants their opinion to be heard. But my statement earlier was, that some things people read, they let take over them. Like Danielson. Yes, great wrestler, but not the best. There is no best, unless you have actually seen every wrestler from every corner of the world. Look at Jushin Thunder Lyger, awesome wrestler, not the best, same goes with guys like Hayabusa, Dragon Kid, Ultimo Dragon, Kaz Hiyashi, and so on.... Still, they all botch, they have their off days, but none would be considered the best. Yes NXT was nice, but it has drug on..... That and the Celebrity hosts have steered me so far away from WWE programming. I haven't sat and watched a full RAW in over a year. I can sit through TNA with a smile on my face.... But I still watch WWE, just in fast forward.
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Post by James Hetfield on Aug 9, 2010 2:31:37 GMT -5
Back on track,
This PPV was NOT ECW authentic. Yes it had the actual wrestlers there, but it still did not feel like ECW. The lights were a HUGE problem, the stage as well.
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Post by SodaGuy on Aug 9, 2010 2:33:12 GMT -5
Back on track, This PPV was NOT ECW authentic. Yes it had the actual wrestlers there, but it still did not feel like ECW. The lights were a HUGE problem, the stage as well. Well, you can't really blame TNA for not wanting to take down their stage only to have to put it back up hours later.
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Post by bagofgold on Aug 9, 2010 2:33:55 GMT -5
I for one was SHOCKED to see new jack there .. and i think it was awesome he was able to be man enough to squash his beef with the dudleyz . it was a ppv about closure.. i dont know, maybe it wouldve made more sense for new jack to come out and beat down the other team.. either way it wouldve been the same result IMO because they were trying to do a closure type moment..
and everyone saying it made wrestling look fake.. i think vince did a good job of that with tough enough.
i thought dreamer vs raven was awesome, the dudleyz match was nothing special, but was a lot of fun.. the new jack thing made it even better.. scorpio looked great.. and had a pretty good match.. the mainevent had some good parts.. i thought it was goodl.. not really good or great..
i dont regret ordering the ppv, i enjoyed it.
the only match i found to be awful was the 3 way with rhyno, runt, and al snow
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Aug 9, 2010 2:39:12 GMT -5
Well, I would love to enjoy TNA instead of hating it, but you see the problem with that is I'M NOT GOING TO ING FORCE MYSELF TO LIKE SOMETHING IF I THINK IT'S STUPID! If they're doing sh*t I don't like, I'm supposed to just keep my mouth shut and just accept it, and enjoy it even though I don't like it? No, not gonna happen, I want my opinion to be heard. Also, yes I do think Danielson is the best, but not Jericho. I don't even like Jericho. And I actually like the WWE now more than ever. Thanks mostly to Danielson, Barrett, the Nexus, and NXT. Im not telling you to enjoy it if you don't want to. No one here is forcing you. Everyone wants their opinion to be heard. But my statement earlier was, that some things people read, they let take over them. Like Danielson. Yes, great wrestler, but not the best. There is no best, unless you have actually seen every wrestler from every corner of the world. Look at Jushin Thunder Lyger, awesome wrestler, not the best, same goes with guys like Hayabusa, Dragon Kid, Ultimo Dragon, Kaz Hiyashi, and so on.... Still, they all botch, they have their off days, but none would be considered the best. Yes NXT was nice, but it has drug on..... That and the Celebrity hosts have steered me so far away from WWE programming. I haven't sat and watched a full RAW in over a year. I can sit through TNA with a smile on my face.... But I still watch WWE, just in fast forward. I feel about WWE the same way you feel about TNA. The only difference is, you're criticizing me for not having the same opinion as you. And you keep making it seem like I just want to complain about it. I don't want to complain about TNA, I want to enjoy it too, but I can't. They keep doing stupid sh*t. And IMO Danielson and Barrett are the greatest. If someone thinks The Brooklyn Brawler is the greatest, then so be it. The problem is if someone disagrees, they feel the need to bash you for not having the same opinion as them. And I pretty much watch TNA for a select few wrestlers that I like, if they were in the WWE and getting the pushes they deserve, I probably wouldn't even watch TNA. But as long as guys like Desmond Wolfe are in TNA, I'm still gonna watch, and as long as they're getting pushed aside for guys like Tommy Dreamer, I'm going to complain.
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Post by bagofgold on Aug 9, 2010 2:47:18 GMT -5
I THINK EVERYONE ON HERE IS JSUT WAY TOO NEGATIVE.. THERES NO WAY ANYBODY CAN HONESTLY SAY THIS WAS A HORRIBLE PPV.. U MIGHTVE HATED THE IMPACT ZONE OR TENAY.. BUT THIS PPV HAD A LOT OF GOOD MOMENTS.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Aug 9, 2010 2:48:39 GMT -5
Im not telling you to enjoy it if you don't want to. No one here is forcing you. Everyone wants their opinion to be heard. But my statement earlier was, that some things people read, they let take over them. Like Danielson. Yes, great wrestler, but not the best. There is no best, unless you have actually seen every wrestler from every corner of the world. Look at Jushin Thunder Lyger, awesome wrestler, not the best, same goes with guys like Hayabusa, Dragon Kid, Ultimo Dragon, Kaz Hiyashi, and so on.... Still, they all botch, they have their off days, but none would be considered the best. Yes NXT was nice, but it has drug on..... That and the Celebrity hosts have steered me so far away from WWE programming. I haven't sat and watched a full RAW in over a year. I can sit through TNA with a smile on my face.... But I still watch WWE, just in fast forward. I feel about WWE the same way you feel about TNA. The only difference is, you're criticizing me for not having the same opinion as you. And you keep making it seem like I just want to complain about it. I don't want to complain about TNA, I want to enjoy it too, but I can't. They keep doing stupid sh*t. And IMO Danielson and Barrett are the greatest. If someone thinks The Brooklyn Brawler is the greatest, then so be it. The problem is if someone disagrees, they feel the need to bash you for not having the same opinion as them. And I pretty much watch TNA for a select few wrestlers that I like, if they were in the WWE and getting the pushes they deserve, I probably wouldn't even watch TNA. But as long as guys like Desmond Wolfe are in TNA, I'm still gonna watch, and as long as they're getting pushed aside for guys like Tommy Dreamer, I'm going to complain. Im not criticizing you. I could honestly give a , cause A i don't know you and 2 once again, I dont give a . BUUUUT, when I saw the PPV was good, you come back on me because it was bad. Its a debate, and you want to turn it into a argument. I got it, You like WWE, I like TNA.... What I dont get is that you hated the PPV, but sat there and watched it. You say I am forcing you to like TNA, but it seems like you were forced to watch the show, if you aren't full of it. If I was at a friends house, and they were watching say, Guys gone Wild, Im not sticking around. Its one thing for you to watch what you like, but I don't have to subject myself to that. Thats why we have whats called a choice. You chose to watch the PPV, where you could have left. The dumb part is, you won't admit that somewhere in that show, you saw something that kept you glued to the tv. Cause I used to smoke weed, and be a intellectually- disabled person too, and If something was on tv I didn't like, I didn't stick around to watch. Im not trying to be a jackhole amn, Like I said, its a thread with the main key on how you liked the show, and Im pretty positive that I have a valid point on you. Why watch something you don't want to? And being stoned and wanting to laugh at it isn't going to cut it. Cause if I paid my hard earned 35 bucks on a PPV to have a friend next to me talk crapabout it, you can damn sure rely on my telling him to piss up a rope and chill somewhere else. So whats the deal 420?
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Post by SodaGuy on Aug 9, 2010 2:50:32 GMT -5
I THINK EVERYONE ON HERE IS JSUT WAY TOO NEGATIVE.. THERES NO WAY ANYBODY CAN HONESTLY SAY THIS WAS A HORRIBLE PPV.. U MIGHTVE HATED THE IMPACT ZONE OR TENAY.. BUT THIS PPV HAD A LOT OF GOOD MOMENTS. Okay, I know I'm pro-TNA... but really..
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Post by James Hetfield on Aug 9, 2010 2:55:26 GMT -5
Back on track, This PPV was NOT ECW authentic. Yes it had the actual wrestlers there, but it still did not feel like ECW. The lights were a HUGE problem, the stage as well. Well, you can't really blame TNA for not wanting to take down their stage only to have to put it back up hours later. Dixie tweeting "the impact zone is transformed!" was a lie. It looked exactly the same. And what was so hard about getting blue ring mats? They could have done that instead of doing it in the ing dark. ECW was never like that.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Aug 9, 2010 2:57:26 GMT -5
Well, you can't really blame TNA for not wanting to take down their stage only to have to put it back up hours later. Dixie tweeting "the impact zone is transformed!" was a lie. It looked exactly the same. And what was so hard about getting blue ring mats? They could have done that instead of doing it in the ing dark. ECW was never like that. I beg to differ. When I watched it on the Sunshine Network in 99, It was pitch black, other than the center of the ring. Couldn't see the crowd, and some times, not even the turnbuckles.
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Post by SodaGuy on Aug 9, 2010 2:57:33 GMT -5
Well, you can't really blame TNA for not wanting to take down their stage only to have to put it back up hours later. Dixie tweeting "the impact zone is transformed!" was a lie. It looked exactly the same. And what was so hard about getting blue ring mats? They could have done that instead of doing it in the ing dark. ECW was never like that. No, no, no.. there was barbed wire near the stage. '....'
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Post by jayrod2009 on Aug 9, 2010 2:59:43 GMT -5
Think about it, They got rid of the entrance ramp that connected the Entrance tunnel to the ring. New lighting, barbed wire stage. Not like a car to a robot transformation, but still a difference.
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