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Post by Hulkamaniac on Nov 2, 2010 21:55:13 GMT -5
There are a million reasons I wouldn't want you near a poll, but you being mentally ill wouldn't be up there. The thing is there has never, ever been a claim from someone that they were denied their right to vote because they were mentally ill. Do you think someone with Down syndrome who can't take care of themselves should be allowed to vote? Now they can in my state. They can here too. I was at a polling place in 2006, waiting for the result so I could report it back and this man came in with who I assume is his wife and she was in a wheelchair and her head was flopped back and she was drooling and her eyes were closed. He first filled out his ballot, submitted it and then wheeled his wife over to a voting booth and took her hand and voted for her. And you don't think that's ridiculous? |
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Post by slappy on Nov 2, 2010 21:56:14 GMT -5
Mother  er, the Republican just won our Governorship. He voted to stop funding mammograms for women. How the could he be elected? Pay for your own goddamn mammogram. Why should a woman have to pay for a mammogram, if she can barely afford rent and food for her family and the mammogram will financially screw her over? |
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Post by slappy on Nov 2, 2010 21:56:40 GMT -5
They can here too. I was at a polling place in 2006, waiting for the result so I could report it back and this man came in with who I assume is his wife and she was in a wheelchair and her head was flopped back and she was drooling and her eyes were closed. He first filled out his ballot, submitted it and then wheeled his wife over to a voting booth and took her hand and voted for her. And you don't think that's ridiculous? Yeah, it was. But to just say "mentally ill" is too vague. |
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Nov 2, 2010 21:58:34 GMT -5
And you don't think that's ridiculous? Yeah, it was. But to just say "mentally ill" is too vague. Fair enough, but they didn't amend it to say anything else. They struck the language completely. |
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Post by Kliquid on Nov 2, 2010 21:59:52 GMT -5
Pay for your own goddamn mammogram. Why should a woman have to pay for a mammogram, if she can barely afford rent and food for her family and the mammogram will financially screw her over? Why should people have to pay for anything? |
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Post by slappy on Nov 2, 2010 22:02:15 GMT -5
Why should a woman have to pay for a mammogram, if she can barely afford rent and food for her family and the mammogram will financially screw her over? Why should people have to pay for anything? Why should that woman potentially be left to die just because she couldn't afford a screening for cancer? |
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Nov 2, 2010 22:06:48 GMT -5
Why should people have to pay for anything? Why should that woman potentially be left to die just because she couldn't afford a screening for cancer? Should I get a free prostate exam then? How about genetic screening for diseases I may be genetically pre-disposed to? |
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Post by Kliquid on Nov 2, 2010 22:09:31 GMT -5
Why should people have to pay for anything? Why should that woman potentially be left to die just because she couldn't afford a screening for cancer? Because goods and services cost money... |
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Post by slappy on Nov 2, 2010 22:11:08 GMT -5
Why should that woman potentially be left to die just because she couldn't afford a screening for cancer? Because goods and services cost money... She pays her taxes. |
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Nov 2, 2010 22:11:16 GMT -5
Why should that woman potentially be left to die just because she couldn't afford a screening for cancer? Because goods and services cost money... Nah, that's crazy talk ya damn hippie. |
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Post by slappy on Nov 2, 2010 22:13:35 GMT -5
Why should that woman potentially be left to die just because she couldn't afford a screening for cancer? Should I get a free prostate exam then? How about genetic screening for diseases I may be genetically pre-disposed to? Yes. No, because I'm guessing 90-95% of the time, you have family that can tell you what diseases your family has had and what you may be pre-disposed to. |
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Nov 2, 2010 22:15:18 GMT -5
Because goods and services cost money... She pays her taxes. But it's not the government's job to prove that kind of care. There is a little thing called personal responsibility. |
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Post by Kliquid on Nov 2, 2010 22:15:30 GMT -5
Because goods and services cost money... She pays her taxes. And the government spends it like a bunch of ing intellectually- disabled apes flinging crapat one another, so there isn't enough to provide things that would actually help people. Which is why we should stop giving them money in the first place. If she got to spend her money on things that would help her and her family, maybe she would be able to pay for her own mammogram instead of paying for pointless crap. |
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Post by slappy on Nov 2, 2010 22:17:06 GMT -5
And the government spends it like a bunch of ing intellectually- disabled apes flinging **** at one another, so there isn't enough to provide things that would actually help people. Which is why we should stop giving them money in the first place. If she got to spend her money on things that would help her and her family, maybe she would be able to pay for her own mammogram instead of paying for pointless crap. The first thing we need to do is get rid of the tax cut for the top 2%. That is going to cost us $700 billion. |
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Post by Kliquid on Nov 2, 2010 22:18:28 GMT -5
The first thing we need to do is stop spending money like it doesn't exist.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Nov 2, 2010 22:19:45 GMT -5
The first thing we need to do is stop spending money like it doesn't exist. Agreed. If you've got a major hemorrhage, it's usually not your first priority to go out and get a blood transfusion. Just saying. |
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Post by slappy on Nov 2, 2010 22:22:01 GMT -5
But it's not the government's job to prove that kind of care. There is a little thing called personal responsibility. Because of the Declaration of Independence. "that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life." UNALIENABLE RIGHTS. Life is amongst that. We are guaranteed life, so the government should be there to ensure that right by having health care for every citizen. |
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Post by Kliquid on Nov 2, 2010 22:29:50 GMT -5
That definition of "life" means that practically everything could be lopped into the "life" category.
Food and water are needed for life, but can we walk into Subway and demand they make us a sandwich for free? No.
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Post by Quanthor on Nov 2, 2010 22:30:42 GMT -5
I look at health care as national defense. We dump billions into the military to help protect out nation and it's citizens, so why not protect it's people by providing health care? Other countries do it, so should we.
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Post by slappy on Nov 2, 2010 22:32:19 GMT -5
That definition of "life" means that practically everything could be lopped into the "life" category. Food and water are needed for life, but can we walk into Subway and demand they make us a sandwich for free? No. Subway is not a necessity, it's a perk. A mammogram for a woman with a lump is a necessity. Cancer treatment is a necessity. |
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