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Post by Kliquid on Nov 2, 2010 22:32:27 GMT -5
I look at health care as national defense. We dump billions into the military to help protect out nation and it's citizens, so why not protect it's people by providing health care? Other countries do it, so should we. Because our government has already proven on many, many, many occasions that it is completely unable to run a program like this. See: Social Security |
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Post by slappy on Nov 2, 2010 22:36:10 GMT -5
I look at health care as national defense. We dump billions into the military to help protect out nation and it's citizens, so why not protect it's people by providing health care? Other countries do it, so should we. Because our government has already proven on many, many, many occasions that it is completely unable to run a program like this. See: Social Security Social Security was fine until Bush raided it. We needed Gore's lock box. Medicare is great, the government runs that. |
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Post by Quanthor on Nov 2, 2010 22:38:37 GMT -5
I'd rather have the government run health care than lawyers and insurance companies.
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Post by Kliquid on Nov 2, 2010 22:38:46 GMT -5
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Post by slappy on Nov 2, 2010 22:44:19 GMT -5
1. Some random site no one has heard of before. 2. The guy just rambles, I wouldn't say he is reliable. |
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Post by slappy on Nov 2, 2010 22:46:35 GMT -5
HA! Boehner talking about individual freedoms and he's anti-gay, pro-life, anti-drugs, etc.
Oh now he's crying. lol.
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Post by Kliquid on Nov 2, 2010 22:48:01 GMT -5
I can literally provide hundreds of websites and sources that break down why Social Security went bankrupt and that while it had something to do with Bush, it was doomed from the beginning.
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Post by slappy on Nov 2, 2010 22:49:03 GMT -5
BARBARA BOXER WINS!!!! FTW!
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Post by slappy on Nov 2, 2010 22:50:15 GMT -5
I can literally provide hundreds of websites and sources that break down why Social Security went bankrupt and that while it had something to do with Bush, it was doomed from the beginning. Even if the guy is reliable. It didn't go bad until Carter when it was started under FDR. I think that is a good run. |
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Post by Kliquid on Nov 2, 2010 22:55:27 GMT -5
I can literally provide hundreds of websites and sources that break down why Social Security went bankrupt and that while it had something to do with Bush, it was doomed from the beginning. Even if the guy is reliable. It didn't go bad until Carter when it was started under FDR. I think that is a good run. Because it has been completely abused. Just like every government-sponsored program like it. |
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Post by slappy on Nov 2, 2010 22:58:03 GMT -5
Even if the guy is reliable. It didn't go bad until Carter when it was started under FDR. I think that is a good run. Because it has been completely abused. Just like every government-sponsored program like it. I don't see why we can't try it. Give it a few years, if it completely flops, then oh well, at least we tried. |
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Post by T R W on Nov 2, 2010 22:59:23 GMT -5
As someone who has to deal with medicare on a weekly basis, it is NOT great.
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Post by Kliquid on Nov 2, 2010 23:02:34 GMT -5
I don't see why we can't try it. Give it a few years, if it completely flops, then oh well, at least we tried. Because it is an insanely monumental financial commitment to a system that has proven time and time again that they cannot be trusted to provide services like this. We need to cut spending!! If we cut spending and can start running the government at a NON INSANE LOSS, then maybe we could do something like this. But we need to get at LEAST back to the Clinton "balanced budget" before we can even CONSIDER doing something like this. To do it right now while the government is running at trillions of losses every year is  ing ridiculous. |
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Post by slappy on Nov 2, 2010 23:04:11 GMT -5
As someone who has to deal with medicare on a weekly basis, it is NOT great. I'm sure I could find someone on it that does think it's great. I think it's your experience with the bureaucrats. |
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Post by slappy on Nov 2, 2010 23:06:10 GMT -5
I don't see why we can't try it. Give it a few years, if it completely flops, then oh well, at least we tried. Because it is an insanely monumental financial commitment to a system that has proven time and time again that they cannot be trusted to provide services like this. We need to cut spending!! If we cut spending and can start running the government at a NON INSANE LOSS, then maybe we could do something like this. But we need to get at LEAST back to the Clinton "balanced budget" before we can even CONSIDER doing something like this. To do it right now while the government is running at trillions of losses every year is ing ridiculous. This health care bill cuts the deficit maybe not by 100% but it does. And we have a spending freeze, remember? |
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Post by Quanthor on Nov 2, 2010 23:06:30 GMT -5
Party Candidate D John Kitzhaber 433942 49% R Chris Dudley 432294 49%
That's close.
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Post by T R W on Nov 2, 2010 23:07:23 GMT -5
I'm sure you can find someone who thinks the earth is flat.
I'm using it to care for my grandfather. The thought of Medicare is much better than the actual application and use of it. And yes, dealing with the bureaucrats is rather frustrating.
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Post by slappy on Nov 2, 2010 23:10:08 GMT -5
I'm sure you can find someone who thinks the earth is flat. I'm using it to care for my grandfather. The thought of Medicare is much better than the actual application and use of it. And yes, dealing with the bureaucrats is rather frustrating. Which is why we throw out the bureaucrats not the program. |
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Post by Kliquid on Nov 2, 2010 23:10:34 GMT -5
This health care bill cuts the deficit maybe not by 100% but it does. First of all, it would increase taxes across the board. Secondly, to legitimately believe that providing free health care to every American citizen will cut the deficit is a complete fantasy. Things like this are always presented with the best possible scenario, and they are very rarely true. budget.house.gov/hearings/2010/01.21.2010_CaprettaTestimony.pdf |
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 2, 2010 23:11:51 GMT -5
Because it is an insanely monumental financial commitment to a system that has proven time and time again that they cannot be trusted to provide services like this. We need to cut spending!! If we cut spending and can start running the government at a NON INSANE LOSS, then maybe we could do something like this. But we need to get at LEAST back to the Clinton "balanced budget" before we can even CONSIDER doing something like this. To do it right now while the government is running at trillions of losses every year is ing ridiculous. This health care bill cuts the deficit maybe not by 100% but it does. That is what they said. What it does is different. We won't for certain until the money is actually spent, and then its too late. |
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