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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Nov 7, 2010 21:40:15 GMT -5
aaaaah, of course music has sex in it! that isn't what i'm talking about! jesus, this was exactly what i meant at how people dodge the truth with only half relevant answers. yes, sure, sexual messages have been in the music industry since forever, but they have no been so deplorable and, straight up, evil, as now. it's straight up the manipulation of the human mind for their benefit. and gaga is the one getting attacked because this is a thread about gaga...and people actually try to defend her. obviously miley cyrus and beiber are easy picks, they just fall under the south park video in my earlier post as well. That's not true at all, I challenge you to explain in what way is the way Lady Gaga depicts sex any different or more evil than how say... Madonna depicted sex when she was at her height. It's always been used as a form of manipulation of the human mind yet I don't see how you can possibly rationalize that it's somehow worse now than it was 10 or 20 years ago. Even the Beatles at the beginning of their career were shoved out there as a sort of teen heart throb group... Sex sells, always has and it always will. |
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Post by Angel Beast on Nov 7, 2010 21:43:40 GMT -5
Wow this thread is just wow. I had no idea forming your own opinion of an artist makes you a brainwashed monkey.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Nov 7, 2010 21:47:01 GMT -5
There should be a college course dedicated to the conversation of "People who like Lady Gaga vs. Those that don't". It'd be a much more intimate look at modern sociology.
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Post by K5 on Nov 7, 2010 21:50:41 GMT -5
when madonna did it, it was literally to rebel against the conformist conservative sexual views that most people in the western hemisphere shared at that time. it was to cause controversy. she knew it was absolutely outrageous behaviour, and thrived in it: her like a virgin song, or her sex book.
today's world is a much different one than that of the past, and same goes with it's people. when madonna did what she did, she was taking literal risks, putting herself on the line for the only sake of 'pushing the limit' of her art..and for that it was valid, although still pretty weak and void of purpose. gaga, on the other hand, RELIES on attempted controversy, that is obviously completely contrived, and her sex appeal to sell her music. in the past, when artists did something astounding, there was actually a degree of chaos from it. now, it's a formula: get gaga to do something in time for larry king to discuss it.
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Post by K5 on Nov 7, 2010 21:51:47 GMT -5
Wow this thread is just wow. I had no idea forming your own opinion of an artist makes you a brainwashed monkey. that...is not...what i said. in fact, THAT'S THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE OF WHAT I SAID goddamit. |
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Nov 7, 2010 22:01:37 GMT -5
I'm signing off with this: I respectfully agree to disagree with your stance on the current state of music and how it has affected society. While yes the general quality of music as taken a down turn over the past few years (something I have often discussed with one of my friends) I strongly believe that Lady Gaga's brand of music is not a reason for this. Her brand of albeit cookie cutter pop music is generally harmless music to listen to. I am not forced by any greater being to enjoy her music and I don't buy into it for her "sex appeal" (which as an aside I find amusing with the whole rumors of her being a guy) I buy into it because it's a genuinely talented artist (as evidenced by several videos posted in the past including the D'yer Maker cover I posted in here that was recorded Pre-Gaga) who genuinely loves music and wants to succeed. It is damn near impossible to not get behind someone like that. As I said in a Gaga post over a year ago: And that is exactly how I feel to this day and age. You can claim that I've been brainwashed and hand fed mainstream garbage (obviously false judging by the list of bands I posted earlier) but at the end of the day we're all getting worked up over nothing. I love music, you love music. What we listen to and why is always gonna differ. So I again say I respectfully agree to disagree with you on this subject... PS This literally translates into I'm too bored and lazy to continue discussing this subject, someone else feel free to take over  |
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Nov 7, 2010 22:07:03 GMT -5
I fail? No, I don't think so. You fail for being so incredibly off base that it's not even funny. First of all, for the most part I don't even like modern music, I listen mostly to classic rock and older music. Lady Gaga is the only current artist I listen to. Why? Because I actually  ing like her music. I used to hate Lady Gaga too, believe it or not, it wasn't until Paparazzi that I started to like her, and Bad Romance made me a huge fan. See, I actually like her music because it sounds good to me, not because everybody else likes it. This business of you saying that I like stuff because it's "fed to me around the clock" is ing ridiculous. You don't know me, so STFU, because if you did know me you would know I'm not one that follows the crowd. I do form my own opinions, and IMO, Lady Gaga makes great music. No one is forcing you to like Lady Gaga, and nobody is forcing their opinions on you so stop forcing your opinions on us. You really need to get your head out of your ass and stop criticizing people just because they like mainstream music, you're no better than anyone else just because you don't like it, so stop acting like you are. So please, do us all a favor and stop being such a pretentious prick. well, at least you actually tried there. sorry, but i disagree with you. i DO think you are conditioned. your view on what 'great music' is, for example. and i can deal with being called a pretentious prick, if it's by a brainwashed monkey. Talk about a cop out reply. Anyway, I'm not a ing brainwashed monkey, you need to stop being such a ing douchebag. Seriously, you don't ing know me so stop ing judging me based on what kind of music I like. Who the do you think you are anyway? What right do you have to come here and act all high and mighty because you don't like mainstream music. You're not a music connoisseur so stop acting like one. People like what they like, so off with your ignorant comments. |
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Nov 7, 2010 22:10:15 GMT -5
Wow this thread is just wow. I had no idea forming your own opinion of an artist makes you a brainwashed monkey. that...is not...what i said. in fact, THAT'S THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE OF WHAT I SAID goddamit. IN MY OPINION, I think Lady Gaga has great music and you called me a brainwashed monkey because of it. You are clearly contradicting yourself. |
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Post by Angel Beast on Nov 7, 2010 22:36:25 GMT -5
Wow this thread is just wow. I had no idea forming your own opinion of an artist makes you a brainwashed monkey. that...is not...what i said. in fact, THAT'S THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE OF WHAT I SAID goddamit. Except Cobra stated that he formed an opinion about liking Gaga and stated his tastes in music and you said he was a brainwashed monkey. |
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Post by T R W on Nov 7, 2010 22:40:30 GMT -5
I'll never understand why people get so bent out of shape about what music other people like, or that people don't like the same music as them.
I like her music well enough, and I don't really care if other people hate it, or if other people think it's garbage, or if people think I am intellectually- disabled for liking it. It doesn't impact my enjoyment of it.
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Post by K5 on Nov 7, 2010 22:46:39 GMT -5
I'm signing off with this: I respectfully agree to disagree with your stance on the current state of music and how it has affected society. While yes the general quality of music as taken a down turn over the past few years (something I have often discussed with one of my friends) I strongly believe that Lady Gaga's brand of music is not a reason for this. Her brand of albeit cookie cutter pop music is generally harmless music to listen to. I am not forced by any greater being to enjoy her music and I don't buy into it for her "sex appeal" (which as an aside I find amusing with the whole rumors of her being a guy) I buy into it because it's a genuinely talented artist (as evidenced by several videos posted in the past including the D'yer Maker cover I posted in here that was recorded Pre-Gaga) who genuinely loves music and wants to succeed. It is damn near impossible to not get behind someone like that. As I said in a Gaga post over a year ago: In an age where musical performers continue to phone it in, at least she goes out there and has fun performing the songs she makes. I can respect her for that. As an artist she is phenomenal. well, that's the first place i disagree with you. talent does not assert your position in the music industry, because if that is the case there are many people much more talented than gaga at both singing and piano...so, that's great that she has talent, but that's not what really won her over. i get that you appreciate her talent though, that's fine. that's all fair, but i still feel the way i do and don't feel the least bit of a need to hold back about it. i think that kind of media is a plague to people, so obviously i feel fairly strongly about it. |
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Post by K5 on Nov 7, 2010 22:53:40 GMT -5
that...is not...what i said. in fact, THAT'S THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE OF WHAT I SAID goddamit. Except Cobra stated that he formed an opinion about liking Gaga and stated his tastes in music and you said he was a brainwashed monkey. well, of course he's gonna say he wasn't conditioned....but i think he is, so he's still a conditioned monkey imo. |
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Post by K5 on Nov 7, 2010 22:57:32 GMT -5
Talk about a cop out reply. Anyway, I'm not a ing brainwashed monkey, you need to stop being such a ing douchebag. Seriously, you don't ing know me so stop ing judging me based on what kind of music I like. Who the do you think you are anyway? What right do you have to come here and act all high and mighty because you don't like mainstream music. You're not a music connoisseur so stop acting like one. People like what they like, so off with your ignorant comments. good to see i touched a nerve..  you say i don't know you, but then assume i am not a music connoisseur? you're not very good at the whole logic behind debating eh? and i think i'm k5, someone who thinks gaga music absolutely blows and the majority of people that listen to her are brainless monkeys. deal with it, just like i've had to deal with all the monkeys listening to her and will continue to have to do so. |
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Nov 7, 2010 23:06:23 GMT -5
Except Cobra stated that he formed an opinion about liking Gaga and stated his tastes in music and you said he was a brainwashed monkey. well, of course he's gonna say he wasn't conditioned....but i think he is, so he's still a conditioned monkey imo. And I still think you're a pretentious prick. |
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Post by K5 on Nov 7, 2010 23:10:51 GMT -5
you also think the original ecw sucked, so your opinion is pretty null and void pal. i bet your even conditioned about wrestling! wade barrett is better than the dynamite kid ever was too, right? or at least, in your opinion? lmao
have a good night.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Nov 7, 2010 23:12:06 GMT -5
you also think the original ecw sucked, so your opinion is pretty null and void pal. i bet your even conditioned about wrestling! wade barrett is better than the dynamite kid ever was too, right? or at least, in your opinion? lmao have a good night. What a douchebag  |
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Post by Angel Beast on Nov 7, 2010 23:13:24 GMT -5
you also think the original ecw sucked, so your opinion is pretty null and void pal. i bet your even conditioned about wrestling! wade barrett is better than the dynamite kid ever was too, right? or at least, in your opinion? lmao have a good night. Wow. You are a tool. |
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Post by K5 on Nov 7, 2010 23:28:10 GMT -5
angel beast, i have many friends on this site whom opinions i hold much higher than your unknown one. so...go on hating, and i'll go on not noticing you around.
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Post by Angel Beast on Nov 7, 2010 23:40:56 GMT -5
I don't care whose opinion you hold higher then mine. I'm not saying you should hold mine high. You have no right to call someone a brainwash monkey or a conditioned monkey with out actual proof. Cobra liking Lady Gaga or his opinion on the original ECW does not make him one of those, as there are many others out there who like Lady Gaga not because she is shoved down our throats constantly. Same goes for the original ECW there are plenty of people out there that never liked it because they weren't into the violence ECW produced.
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Post by K5 on Nov 7, 2010 23:42:51 GMT -5
well, i disagree with you. deal with it, just like i have to deal with you too. resorting to calling me a tool isn't going to get us anywhere but a fight.
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I dont know good luck 
