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Post by hammer on Dec 12, 2010 9:25:49 GMT -5
johnny makdessi... animal
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Dec 12, 2010 9:45:28 GMT -5
Grow up?? I'm not saying anything that isn't true. Just voicing MY opinion on the matter at hand, which I have every  ing right to do wether you like it or not. If you don't like it, don't ing come here and read it. Simple as that. Not a hard concept to grasp buddy. I'm gonna keep voicing my opinion and I don't give a damn if you like it or not. Deal with it. How were those fights any more one sided than GSP/Koscheck last night?? Not too sure which fight you were watching, but it looked pretty friggin' one-sided to me....The WHOLE 25-minute fight was in GSP's favor, so yeah, I definitely consider that one-sided for sure. Just like Silva/Forrest and Brock/Cain. To dominate someone for 25 straight minutes or 5 straight rounds, depending how you look at it, is the same as the smoke-shows that were Silva/Forrest and Brock/Cain. Actually, it could be worse because you are dominating them for a much longer period of time. Almost like making an example of them and literally "schooling" them and teaching them a thing or two, like they don't deserve to be in there with them or something like that. Anderson tore right through Forrest and same thing for Cain. Cain WHOOPED Brock. He dominated him like no other, just like GSP dominated Koscheck for the 2nd time. We all make bad calls from time to time..Some people more-so than others...Yeah that was a serious jab at myself... ;D It's all good. I'm not bothered by it at all. I can find humor in my mistakes. You called Toney to beat Couture and Toney got OWNED. I called Forrest to beat Silva and Forrest got OWNED. I also called Brock to beat Cain and Brock got CREAMED. I know I wasn't the only guy picking Brock in that fight and yet I get singled out for it. I don't really care. It's all good. That Patrick Bateman guy called Koscheck to beat GSP in the 2nd or 3rd by Ground and Pound was a terrible call because it wasn't remotely close to happening at ANY point during that fight. We all make bad calls from time to time and that's why this forum is here. To voice our opinions. Others may not agree on what we've got to say and that's cool. You've got your take, just like I've got mine. Anyway, sorry for the rant there and if I got carried away in my other posts, sounding like an idiot or whatever. Hey, I'm Canadian brother and we are all just so damn proud of Georges. He proved one more time to the non-believers who said he couldn't do it, exactly why he's the Welterweight champion of the world. He shut up ALOT of haters last night and I'm sure Patrick Bateman (Original) was one of them. I just can't wait to see what he's got to say about Koscheck after the prediction he made.... |
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Post by hammer on Dec 12, 2010 9:53:51 GMT -5
somebody explain to me, im watching the fights blind now, without checking the results and everything... i just watched bongfeldt/natal. buffer said all 3 judges scored it 30-30... is that truly what happened, or did he just mean all 3 judges scored it a draw? because i could definitely see rounds 1 and 2 being 10-10 rounds... but round 3 was clearly bongfeldts, if not a 10-8 round for bongfeldt.
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Post by The Mac on Dec 12, 2010 11:57:26 GMT -5
Was a decent event with some good fights, Alves vs Howard lived up to the hype and good old GSP aka the Jab machine!
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Post by hammer on Dec 12, 2010 12:09:53 GMT -5
fotn was bongfeldt/natal
shouldve been, that is
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Post by Patrick Bateman (original) on Dec 12, 2010 13:46:52 GMT -5
Sadly Kos lost. He didn't stick to his gameplan at all. Sometimes (lately) he has been relying on his hands to much. Oh well. He'll be back. GSP was just to much for him last night.
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Post by 1992 on Dec 12, 2010 13:52:02 GMT -5
Sadly Kos lost. He didn't stick to his gameplan at all. Sometimes (lately) he has been relying on his hands to much. Oh well. He'll be back. GSP was just to much for him last night. Just out of curiosity, since the fights all said and done, what was KOS's gameplan for St. Pierre? |
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Post by Patrick Bateman (original) on Dec 12, 2010 14:00:51 GMT -5
Stuff takedowns and in the chance you are taken down position yourself for a submission. On standup take GSP down and make him work off his back. Position yourself where you can get a submission or ground and pound.
Kos improved greatly on his takedown defense and getting off his back. Sadly he got his eye messed up in the first and it messed up his depth perseption and made it almost impossible to see that left jab coming.
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Post by 1992 on Dec 12, 2010 14:28:21 GMT -5
I figured it was subs. He got ed pretty early on though(his eye). After that all he had loaded was that right hand for the rest of the fight. I did freak out though when he got GSP's leg for a few seconds lol The angle threw me off, and I thought he might of had something. He kind of quit on himself after the 1st it looked like. :-\ Oh well, he'll bounce back. Send him my regards, I doubt it matters to him now(lol), but I'm still a fan. An even bigger one after his post-fight interview. I was waiting for an excuse but got all class. Nice to hear. |
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Post by James Hetfield on Dec 12, 2010 14:46:16 GMT -5
It's a BIG SHOCKER that GSP couldn't finish someone again and apologizes afterward. Just like Dana White said Greg Jackson doesn't train fighters to go for the finish, he trains them to go to the judges scorecards. I'm not saying it was boring (and a finish doesn't mean a K.O., there are submissions) but GSP said he was going to finish Koscheck and did he no. It was a one sided fight but Kos only had one eye to see out of after the first round and all GSP did was mainly jab all fight. I like GSP don't get me wrong but if you look at his last couple fights all he does is apologize for not finishing just like Anderson Silva. Koscheck is tough and hard to finish anyway. Sadly Kos lost. He didn't stick to his gameplan at all. Sometimes (lately) he has been relying on his hands to much. Oh well. He'll be back. GSP was just to much for him last night. I thought he was trying to keep it standing? Honestly though, Koscheck is a pretty tough guy and all, but I seriously couldn't find ONE single area where he is dominant. Even if the plan was to try submissions, GSP has some great submission defense. I figured GSP would stand with Koscheck, just because of what Koscheck said. I'm still surprised that people thought Koscheck would win. This, too. It's a BIG SHOCKER that GSP couldn't finish someone again and apologizes afterward. Just like Dana White said Greg Jackson doesn't train fighters to go for the finish, he trains them to go to the judges scorecards. Who has really finished Koscheck? No one besides Thiago, and that was when Josh got caught. Koscheck is a tough guy and a guy who is hard to finish. If he can be finished anywhere, I would think it would have been on the ground. GSP went for submissions, so you can't say he was not trying. You try fighting and see how easy it would be to finish one of the top welterweights. calm down guy..... jackson already responded with the statistics of his fighters...the only ones who don't finish are evans ans gsp. Eh, I don't know. I like some of Jackson's fighters (GSP, Condit), but I don't really think it has anything to do with finishing or NOT finishing people. It's the fact that he constantly tells guys "You're winning!" when they're not. |
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Post by James Hetfield on Dec 12, 2010 14:48:21 GMT -5
Oh, and expect Stevenson to move to 145lbs after getting KO'ed tonight. Almedia said he was pretty unhappy after in tears, but I'm sure he'll be stronger at 145.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2010 15:50:53 GMT -5
All my picks (limited as they were) were right, with the exception of Struve winning by submission...good to see him get the win by TKO...well done to GSP for retaining the Welterweight title against a tough Josh Koscheck...
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Post by s13driver on Dec 12, 2010 16:19:25 GMT -5
Hell yea! I won $280 on UFC parlay on this card. I even called Danzig's KO in the 1st round as my upset fight. Pretty good fight card overall. Woulda liked to see GSP finish but it was very obvious that he was trying. KOS is just a hard guy to finish. Good fight though.
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Dec 12, 2010 19:42:02 GMT -5
GSP was just to much for him last night. Not only last night but the previous time they fought as well. Koscheck should NEVER fight GSP again. I'm sorry, but he's just not in GSP's league. That was proven for a 2nd time last night. GSP is just a far superior fighter compared to Koscheck. He'll probably retire as the Welterweight champ because there ain't nobody there than can beat him at that weight-class. Nobody will come close. Go ahead and line them up. GSP will knock them down one by one. Pretty much what he's been doing for 3 years now, since his last loss. Nobody can touch him. He's ing incredible. All there is to it. |
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Post by Hawks_NFC West Champions on Dec 12, 2010 19:51:56 GMT -5
GSP was just to much for him last night. Not only last night but the previous time they fought as well. Koscheck should NEVER fight GSP again. I'm sorry, but he's just not in GSP's league. That was proven for a 2nd time last night. GSP is just a far superior fighter compared to Koscheck. He'll probably retire as the Welterweight champ because there ain't nobody there than can beat him at that weight-class. Nobody will come close. Go ahead and line them up. GSP will knock them down one by one. Pretty much what he's been doing for 3 years now, since his last loss. Nobody can touch him. He's ing incredible. All there is to it. I disagree. I understand what your saying and why your saying it, but I gotta say that I don't believe there is a time when a fighter should never be able to face another fighter. Say Pierre wins his next 2 title defenses (very likely) and Koscheck wins his next 3 fights in decisive fashion...Dana will be all over 1 more fight. |
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Post by James Hetfield on Dec 12, 2010 20:06:59 GMT -5
No, he won't be seeing Koscheck ever again. Winning 2 fights against Koscheck already pretty much seals that.
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Post by Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai on Dec 12, 2010 20:28:50 GMT -5
There's no shame in losing to Georges St. Pierre twice, I'll say that much. I think no less of Koscheck for either loss.
The only thing wrong with Koscheck is that he's in the same weight class as a guy that might be the best all-around MMA fighter in the world right now. So as good as he is, if he ever wants to win the title, he's got to find a way to go through that guy, or hope someone else figures it out soon. Or switch weight classes (not advisable).
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Dec 12, 2010 21:45:15 GMT -5
No, he won't be seeing Koscheck ever again. Winning 2 fights against Koscheck already pretty much seals that. Exactly. I couldn't agree more. It's not like other fights in the past like when Hughes/GSP or Penn/Hughes were one a piece on each other and there needed to be a rubber match. Not the case here. GSP clearly dominated Koscheck both times, thus there is absolutely no need to feed Koscheck to the wolves for a 3rd time. The point has been proven. Case closed. |
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Post by Patrick Bateman (original) on Dec 12, 2010 22:05:18 GMT -5
I am just throwing this out their because I watched the fight 3 times now. GSP clearly got a thumb in Kos's eye in the first round and that is what messed up his eye first. I am not making excuses and Kos didn't call him for it but he did get a thumb in his eye. I can take a pic if anyone wants.
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Post by James Hetfield on Dec 12, 2010 22:16:55 GMT -5
Doesn't change the fact that Koscheck's striking isn't very good.
He did connect with an uppercut once and threw it one other time and then never went back to it. His corner should have explained that St. Pierre was ducking under the overhand right and to fake it and come up the middle with an uppercut. Instead after the uppercut didn't land the second time it was thrown, it was completely abandoned for whatever reason.
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