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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Dec 29, 2010 23:08:09 GMT -5
You can have 3 joints on you and that isn't enough to warrant an intent to sell charge, but you could still sell those 3. That would be a misdeameanor in most states so a ITD likely wouldn't apply. The last I heard, 3 of Hardy's charges were felonies. |
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Post by slappy on Dec 29, 2010 23:09:37 GMT -5
You can have 3 joints on you and that isn't enough to warrant an intent to sell charge, but you could still sell those 3. That would be a misdeameanor in most states so a ITD likely wouldn't apply. The last I heard, 3 of Hardy's charges were felonies. I'm saying you could sell any amount of drugs. Just because you have as much as Hardy did, doesn't mean you will sell any of it. If you have only 3 like I said doesn't mean you won't sell it. |
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Dec 29, 2010 23:36:03 GMT -5
That would be a misdeameanor in most states so a ITD likely wouldn't apply. The last I heard, 3 of Hardy's charges were felonies. I'm saying you could sell any amount of drugs. Just because you have as much as Hardy did, doesn't mean you will sell any of it. If you have only 3 like I said doesn't mean you won't sell it. That's true but ITD is reserved for serious cases. I'm not exactly sure how the determination was made to employ it in Hardy's case but I'm guessing the fact that Sched. 3 drugs were involved had something to do with it. |
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Post by slappy on Dec 29, 2010 23:42:54 GMT -5
You know who ITD should be reserved for? People who actually sell.
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Post by theryanegan on Dec 29, 2010 23:53:28 GMT -5
But how do you KNOW for a FACT that Jeff doesn't? This whole "because he hasn't been known to share before" argument is bull. How do we KNOW that?
The cops have every right to charge him with ITD.
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Post by kojak on Dec 30, 2010 3:39:13 GMT -5
Of course he had it for himself. Could he share with friends? Sure. But you dont honestly believe that Jeff is hitting the streets pan handling drugs, do you? Do you think he is the guy that is in the TNA locker room with a suit case full of narcotics, open for business? Also, Jeff's "wife" Beth, posted on twitter a few minutes ago that The Fayettville Observer is nothing more than a dirt sheet. Perhaps, the story has become exaggerated or is built on poor sources. The media loves to leap to stories without checking facts.....IE Morgan Freeman is dead reported by CNN a few days ago.  All of these people are celebrities and they all dealed drugs. Tim Allen was known as one of them. So just because of his celebrity status Jeff Hardy may not sell drugs doesnt seem likely if some other people who are just as famous as he is sells them. |
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Dec 30, 2010 18:51:07 GMT -5
Of course he had it for himself. Could he share with friends? Sure. But you dont honestly believe that Jeff is hitting the streets pan handling drugs, do you? Do you think he is the guy that is in the TNA locker room with a suit case full of narcotics, open for business? Also, Jeff's "wife" Beth, posted on twitter a few minutes ago that The Fayettville Observer is nothing more than a dirt sheet. Perhaps, the story has become exaggerated or is built on poor sources. The media loves to leap to stories without checking facts.....IE Morgan Freeman is dead reported by CNN a few days ago. All of these people are celebrities and they all dealed drugs. Tim Allen was known as one of them. So just because of his celebrity status Jeff Hardy may not sell drugs doesnt seem likely if some other people who are just as famous as he is sells them. The only name on that list that was an actual famous star is Tim Allen. Sadly, your example fails to prove anything. Allen was selling drugs in 1978. He didnt become famous/a celebrity until 20+ years later. Other examples of being a Big Brother winner, a model from Columbia, a soccer player, a socialite, a nobody who sold drugs to celebs, and an actor on a small time syndicated show dont exactly add up to a list of famous celebs. |
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Post by theryanegan on Dec 30, 2010 22:05:09 GMT -5
www.famouscelebritydrugaddicts.com/drug-dealers.htmAll of these people are celebrities and they all dealed drugs. Tim Allen was known as one of them. So just because of his celebrity status Jeff Hardy may not sell drugs doesnt seem likely if some other people who are just as famous as he is sells them. The only name on that list that was an actual famous star is Tim Allen. Sadly, your example fails to prove anything. Allen was selling drugs in 1978. He didnt become famous/a celebrity until 20+ years later. Other examples of being a Big Brother winner, a model from Columbia, a soccer player, a socialite, a nobody who sold drugs to celebs, and an actor on a small time syndicated show dont exactly add up to a list of famous celebs. Neither does Jeff Hardy. |
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Post by slappy on Dec 30, 2010 22:07:23 GMT -5
But how do you KNOW for a FACT that Jeff doesn't? This whole "because he hasn't been known to share before" argument is bull. How do we KNOW that? The cops have every right to charge him with ITD. How do they know for a fact that he does? They don't. |
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Dec 30, 2010 22:53:35 GMT -5
But how do you KNOW for a FACT that Jeff doesn't? This whole "because he hasn't been known to share before" argument is bull. How do we KNOW that? The cops have every right to charge him with ITD. How do they know for a fact that he does? They don't. Slap.....the discussion is dizzyness. We got a group of people on here that want to follow the letter of the law. Right or wrong is irrelevant. Common sense should be thrown out. We have a group of people here who want to sound intelligent. So they keep posting what the law is, ignoring the entire thread. And lastly, we have a group of people here are just cant stand Jeff Hardy and will bury him at any means necessary. And some of these people are members of multiple groups. But bottom line.......we just keep going round and round. |
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Post by K5 on Dec 31, 2010 0:31:56 GMT -5
too bad.
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Post by kojak on Dec 31, 2010 1:31:47 GMT -5
The only name on that list that was an actual famous star is Tim Allen. Sadly, your example fails to prove anything. Allen was selling drugs in 1978. He didnt become famous/a celebrity until 20+ years later. Other examples of being a Big Brother winner, a model from Columbia, a soccer player, a socialite, a nobody who sold drugs to celebs, and an actor on a small time syndicated show dont exactly add up to a list of famous celebs. Sorry but you are wrong Sam Jones III is more famous than Jeff Hardy due to his acting roles on TV. That alone has merits more than a TNA/ Former WWE wrestler. In fact he is still on TV acting which gets more exposure than wrestling. He was famous for being Clark Kents best friend on Smallville and he was on ER. 2 very popular TV series. Just because you dont know who he is doesnt mean he isnt famous and he still sold drugs. Chris Houston is a famous rugby player in Australia again Rugby is not popular in the US but still very much popular in other countries. So is Danny Wicks. Cameron Douglas is a famous son of Micheal Douglas so since his father is so famous his son shouldnt need to sell drugs right? Socialite or not. By your definition if someone is famous they dont need to sell drugs and his father is known and is super famous. But yet he is also a known drug dealer. And just to let you know Jeff Hardy isnt as famous as you would like to believe in this world he is a wrestler and outside of the wrestling world not everyone knows who he is. Its not like he is Dwayne Johnson. But the people listed on that website would probably be as equally as famous as Jeff Hardy is, the woman who won Queen of Coffee may not be famous to us since we dont watch pageants but she had to be famous enough to be known now as a Drug Queen. And I have heard of her before. |
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Post by Seahorse on Dec 31, 2010 1:56:21 GMT -5
I read this entire thread and I really don't get how anyone can think the charge is bogus. It's how the justice system works. There is no "common sense" when it comes to charging people with stuff like this, you follow the letter of the law. When you get to trial/plea deals that's when "common sense" comes into play. That being said, was Jeff Hardy trafficking drugs? Probably not. Could they prove he was in court? Doubtful. Would he be found guilty of it if the case went to trial? No. Will he plead guilty to that charge? Unlikely. Should he have been charged with it? Absolutely.
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Post by Smash on Dec 31, 2010 4:31:00 GMT -5
How do they know for a fact that he does? They don't. Slap.....the discussion is dizzyness. We got a group of people on here that want to follow the letter of the law. Right or wrong is irrelevant. Common sense should be thrown out. We have a group of people here who want to sound intelligent. So they keep posting what the law is, ignoring the entire thread. And lastly, we have a group of people here are just cant stand Jeff Hardy and will bury him at any means necessary. And some of these people are members of multiple groups. But bottom line.......we just keep going round and round. Everything you're saying is just blindly defending Jeff Hardy. You're stereotyping him and saying that it's impossible for him to be a drug dealer because of his celebrity status. That's complete bullsh**. The fact is, there are different crimes out there, and they all have their own charges. You plot out a plan to kill someone, that's first-degree murder. You get behind the wheel with your blood alcohol level over the legal limit, that's driving under the influence. You get busted with half a pharmacy's worth of drugs, you're gonna get slapped with intent to distribute. If Jeff felt that strongly about the letter of the law, maybe he should have done something to change it. Mail a Congressman or something, use that awesome celebrity status I wasn't aware Jeff had. I mean, apparently he's on the same level as Bill Clinton. But regardless, however ridiculous you, Jeff, or anyone else feels for that matter, everyone is expected to follow it. So sing in the tub all you want, but if you get slapped with a fine, you have nobody to blame but yourself. If you don't like it, then get the  out. |
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Post by slappy on Dec 31, 2010 9:34:12 GMT -5
Slap.....the discussion is dizzyness. We got a group of people on here that want to follow the letter of the law. Right or wrong is irrelevant. Common sense should be thrown out. We have a group of people here who want to sound intelligent. So they keep posting what the law is, ignoring the entire thread. And lastly, we have a group of people here are just cant stand Jeff Hardy and will bury him at any means necessary. And some of these people are members of multiple groups. But bottom line.......we just keep going round and round. Everything you're saying is just blindly defending Jeff Hardy. You're stereotyping him and saying that it's impossible for him to be a drug dealer because of his celebrity status. That's complete bullsh**. The fact is, there are different crimes out there, and they all have their own charges. You plot out a plan to kill someone, that's first-degree murder. You get behind the wheel with your blood alcohol level over the legal limit, that's driving under the influence. You get busted with half a pharmacy's worth of drugs, you're gonna get slapped with intent to distribute. If Jeff felt that strongly about the letter of the law, maybe he should have done something to change it. Mail a Congressman or something, use that awesome celebrity status I wasn't aware Jeff had. I mean, apparently he's on the same level as Bill Clinton. But regardless, however ridiculous you, Jeff, or anyone else feels for that matter, everyone is expected to follow it. So sing in the tub all you want, but if you get slapped with a fine, you have nobody to blame but yourself. If you don't like it, then get the out. Do you agree with every law there is? I hate Jeff Hardy, so I am not letting that play into my opinions. |
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Post by flaps2 on Dec 31, 2010 10:54:23 GMT -5
Common sense is a odd thing in law but with Jeff's case some of the diffences of him saying use common sense are ignoring it themselves. As said there needs to be a law that sets an amount for when there are enough drugs to look at a trafficing charge otherwise every dealer would say it's just for personal use even if they have a warehouse full. There is also a difference between an entire field of weed and having 20-30 more pills then the limit in your house. Do people really thinking the police would take the dealing part further without a little more then just the amount of pills they found, I'm not saying he is dealing, again it could be anything from a friend said he got some from Jeff once or the boxes they were found in were openned and divided up into sets, again not saying to sell but for whatever reason.
Also his celebrity means nothing really, some people do stupid things sometimes, doesn't matter who you are.
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Post by Gazza on Dec 31, 2010 11:48:26 GMT -5
Everything you're saying is just blindly defending Jeff Hardy. You're stereotyping him and saying that it's impossible for him to be a drug dealer because of his celebrity status. That's complete bullsh**. The fact is, there are different crimes out there, and they all have their own charges. You plot out a plan to kill someone, that's first-degree murder. You get behind the wheel with your blood alcohol level over the legal limit, that's driving under the influence. You get busted with half a pharmacy's worth of drugs, you're gonna get slapped with intent to distribute. If Jeff felt that strongly about the letter of the law, maybe he should have done something to change it. Mail a Congressman or something, use that awesome celebrity status I wasn't aware Jeff had. I mean, apparently he's on the same level as Bill Clinton. But regardless, however ridiculous you, Jeff, or anyone else feels for that matter, everyone is expected to follow it. So sing in the tub all you want, but if you get slapped with a fine, you have nobody to blame but yourself. If you don't like it, then get the out. Do you agree with every law there is? I hate Jeff Hardy, so I am not letting that play into my opinions. But even if you don't agree with it, the law is there, and the charge is made for breaking that law. Just because you don't agree with the law it doesn't mean its a bogus charge. |
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Post by K5 on Dec 31, 2010 12:43:53 GMT -5
chances are jeff was busted with a scale...most people using that much drugs would have one. also, he probably had multiple baggies hanging around the area - possibly some with drug residue. i don't agree with the law, but i definitely understand it. if jeff had any of those things i listed (not saying he did or didn't) then his charge of intent to distribute is by all means lawfully justified.
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Post by slappy on Dec 31, 2010 13:08:38 GMT -5
Do you agree with every law there is? I hate Jeff Hardy, so I am not letting that play into my opinions. But even if you don't agree with it, the law is there, and the charge is made for breaking that law. Just because you don't agree with the law it doesn't mean its a bogus charge. We should break unjust laws. Just because a law is there does not mean it is a good law or a right law. |
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Post by theryanegan on Dec 31, 2010 13:12:51 GMT -5
CM: Jeff Hardy is not that big of a celebrity. He's a drugged up wrestler, on a C-level show. Period. Even if he were still in WWE, wrestlers just aren't that big of a celebrity. At all.
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