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Post by AONI on Aug 18, 2011 1:01:05 GMT -5
I wasn't going to say anything... But Cameron Wake has a hell of a lot better chance than a 3-4 defensive end does of winning DROTY. Hahaha. Well Watt isn't your typical 3-4 DE. After Mario Williams, hes the best pass-rusher on the team. I can see them lining him at OLB on some plays, and I think people will fall in love with his motor. And its not like we've never seen 3-4 ends put up good stats. name em. a 34 DE's job is to do all the dirty work (demand the double, two gap) so that your LBs and Ss can make the play. thats why Haynesworth was so adamant about playing in a 43, because 43 DTs are able to make more plays thatll show up on a stat sheet. i mean look at Suh, if hed have gone to a team like WAS instead of DET, id bet he wouldnt have won DROY because he wouldnt have put up double digit sacks. the best 34 DE in the league is Haloti Ngata but if you looked at his numbers, you wouldnt even be able to tell because they dont have stats for what guys like Ngata are able to do for a defense |
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Post by machoking on Aug 18, 2011 1:35:30 GMT -5
Niners passed on Culpepper and signed Josh McCown....The official "Suck 4 Luck" campaign has begun!!!
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Post by AONI on Aug 18, 2011 1:42:18 GMT -5
Niners passed on Culpepper and signed Josh McCown....The official "Suck 4 Luck" campaign has begun!!! Suck 4 Luck? i thought the 49ers were tryin to move to Santa Clara, not the Castro lol |
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Post by Kliquid on Aug 18, 2011 2:20:51 GMT -5
JJ Watt is like 300 pounds man. And he's slow and unathletic. He's not playing linebacker. LoL.
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Post by Jamal on Aug 18, 2011 5:01:22 GMT -5
JJ Watt is like 300 pounds man. And he's slow and unathletic. He's not playing linebacker. LoL. Slow and unathletic?? Have you been paying attention to Wisconsin football?? lol Maybe me picking him as DROTY was just my mancrush getting the best of me, but you seem to really underrate this guy. Dude weighs exactly the same as Mario Williams. Sure he isn't anywhere near the athlete, but really not many people on this planet are. Hes not extremely explosive, but he has very good speed, and is one of the better athletes at DE in the draft this year.(former TE as well) I don't think him standing up for a couple of plays in a game is really that far fetched. |
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Post by Kliquid on Aug 18, 2011 10:15:15 GMT -5
See, your theory makes sense... Except that people are saying that Williams is too big to play linebacker, too. There are already people saying that he hasn't been effective in his new position, in camp, and he was largely ineffective in the first pre-season game. It's too early to say he can't transition into the position because, as you said, the dude is one of the most freakish athletes in the league... But JJ Watt is no Mario Williams. If the Texans put Mario Williams and JJ Watt at linebacker on any sort of regular basis, they're going to get completely butt-  ed. |
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Post by Jamal on Aug 18, 2011 10:37:04 GMT -5
Its way too early to form any kind of opinion on Mario Williams's transition right now. Going from DE to OLB is a huge change. It will take some time before we know if Williams can in fact play standing up.
The thought of two 290 pound OLB's does make me laugh, now that you mention it.
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Post by T R W on Aug 18, 2011 10:41:30 GMT -5
If I had Mario Williams, I think I would find a way to make the 4-3 work.
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Post by Kliquid on Aug 18, 2011 11:01:02 GMT -5
Niners passed on Culpepper and signed Josh McCown....The official "Suck 4 Luck" campaign has begun!!! The 49ers are doing their best to compile the biggest pile of dogcrapQB's ever. |
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Post by T R W on Aug 18, 2011 11:07:19 GMT -5
Joe Montana could come out right now, and play wearing his Shape-Ups, and be better than any QB they have had in a decade.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Aug 18, 2011 11:43:29 GMT -5
Joe Montana could come out right now, and play wearing his Shape-Ups, and be better than any QB they have had in a decade. Gio Carmazzi! |
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Post by AONI on Aug 18, 2011 12:16:00 GMT -5
Its way too early to form any kind of opinion on Mario Williams's transition right now. Going from DE to OLB is a huge change. It will take some time before we know if Williams can in fact play standing up. The thought of two 290 pound OLB's does make me laugh, now that you mention it. i think the transition from 43 DE to 34 OLB is overstated. when you look at the top 34 OLBs, Lamarr Woodley, Demarcus Ware, Terrell Suggs, and Tamba Hali...they all were primarily DEs in college. all that changes is the stance. the scheme can make up for guys who are poor in coverage and its not like you have to stay with a 34 for all 3 downs. |
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Post by sean™ on Aug 18, 2011 12:50:17 GMT -5
Joe Montana could come out right now, and play wearing his Shape-Ups, and be better than any QB they have had in a decade. Gio Carmazzi! Somewhere in Foxborough, Tom Brady's ears are burning right now... |
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Post by captain master talbot on Aug 18, 2011 13:03:32 GMT -5
Its way too early to form any kind of opinion on Mario Williams's transition right now. Going from DE to OLB is a huge change. It will take some time before we know if Williams can in fact play standing up. The thought of two 290 pound OLB's does make me laugh, now that you mention it. i think the transition from 43 DE to 34 OLB is overstated. when you look at the top 34 OLBs, Lamarr Woodley, Demarcus Ware, Terrell Suggs, and Tamba Hali...they all were primarily DEs in college. all that changes is the stance. the scheme can make up for guys who are poor in coverage and its not like you have to stay with a 34 for all 3 downs. Yea it seems like alot of 3-4 teams generally switch to a base Nickel/Dime on 3rd downs. |
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Post by Kliquid on Aug 18, 2011 13:46:47 GMT -5
i think the transition from 43 DE to 34 OLB is overstated. when you look at the top 34 OLBs, Lamarr Woodley, Demarcus Ware, Terrell Suggs, and Tamba Hali...they all were primarily DEs in college. all that changes is the stance. the scheme can make up for guys who are poor in coverage and its not like you have to stay with a 34 for all 3 downs. All of the guys you're mentioning are more like 260 pounds, versus a 290 pound Mario Williams. I think that's the biggest difference. If Williams does cut the 30 pounds to increase his speed, how much will it affect his strength? These are the issues. JJ Watt isn't anywhere near that athleticism to begin with. |
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Post by Tim Tebow™ on Aug 18, 2011 14:11:05 GMT -5
Joe Montana could come out right now, and play wearing his Shape-Ups, and be better than any QB they have had in a decade. Gio Carmazzi! What a great QB, I don't think he ever threw an INT during his career.  |
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Post by user9327 on Aug 18, 2011 15:13:29 GMT -5
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Post by AONI on Aug 18, 2011 15:43:55 GMT -5
i think the transition from 43 DE to 34 OLB is overstated. when you look at the top 34 OLBs, Lamarr Woodley, Demarcus Ware, Terrell Suggs, and Tamba Hali...they all were primarily DEs in college. all that changes is the stance. the scheme can make up for guys who are poor in coverage and its not like you have to stay with a 34 for all 3 downs. All of the guys you're mentioning are more like 260 pounds, versus a 290 pound Mario Williams. I think that's the biggest difference. If Williams does cut the 30 pounds to increase his speed, how much will it affect his strength? These are the issues. JJ Watt isn't anywhere near that athleticism to begin with. weight wont make a difference because hes not gonna be asked to drop back on a regular basis. id guess hell drop back just as much as 43 DEs do in defenses that run the occasional zone blitz or fire zone. Mario played about 16 snaps against NY. the 2 times they got to 3rd down, he was playing DE in their nickel package. for the other 14 snaps at OLB, he dropped back twice. the biggest thing hell have to worry about it is attacking from a 2 point stance and seeing the game from a different angle. as far as dropping weight for speed, speed isnt a necessity as a 34 OLB. tamba hali and terrell suggs had slower 40 times than Mario coming out of college and theyre two of the best. these guys arent real LBs, at least in a traditional sense. theyre built for pressure, just like 43 DEs. |
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Post by Kliquid on Aug 18, 2011 16:10:02 GMT -5
I understand the position, but there's a reason that 300 pound guys aren't projected as 3-4 linebackers... Size does matter.
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Post by captain master talbot on Aug 18, 2011 16:11:07 GMT -5
Anyone know when Mario becomes a FA?
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