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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Mar 16, 2011 10:07:58 GMT -5
Lol. You're so over the top with everything. Just because I'm going to raise my kids not to fight doesn't mean they're gonna be pussies. It means that they're going to be able resolve conflict in other ways than violence. I never said that they shouldn't stand up for themselves, but not by fighting.
Punching a bully isn't the only or best way to show him what's up. I don't have all the answers, nor do I claim to.
What you need to do is realize that it's never the end of it. I knew a kid that kept getting bullied. He fought back and embarrassed the guy who kept messing with him. You know what happened? That guy came back to the school, and beat the sh** out of the kid with a chain. Put him in the hospital. Violence, despite the one dealing it out, WILL create a vicious cycle that won't end well. Sometimes, it ends in school shootings. Sometimes it ends in the kid who fought his bully back getting the floor wiped with his a** to put him in his place(as far as his bully is concerned).
How can I almost guarantee that my kids won't end up on either of those lists? Teach them that fighting is wrong, and that the sword may be mighty, but it won't solve your problems. No matter how much they think it will.
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Mar 16, 2011 10:15:33 GMT -5
That's the problem. You don't know if he ended anything. For all we know, that little guy could be home, cooking up a plan to waste everyone who witnessed him get dumped on his head. So no, I don't applaud it and I WOULDN'T be proud of my kid for nearly crippling another kid just to show him he's had enough. Violence is not the ONLY answer. It's just too bad that our society is conditioned to think that it is, and that it'll all be over once they fight back. If that were the case, then gang wars and such wouldn't exist. Now I'm fully aware that some people really do deserve a stiff punch in the mouth. I'm just saying that there are other ways to go about ending conflict. And I certainly won't be teaching any offspring of mine to swing on a guy so he'll stop picking on you.I am a father of two lovely daughters... What is it you would tell your kids...most of the kids who are picked are kids whose parents could care less and the school system feels the same. But what I am interested in, is if your kid ask you to explain bullies and what he or she should do if encountering one. And at what point should someone be allowed to defend themselves...and for that matter a kid who is docile in nature, when provoked will reach further extremes then the one doing such provoking. Due to lack of over usage of levels of adrenaline among the pent up frustration of never being left alone. I get it, you want to take the side of a peaceful resolution here. but then that takes me back to your statement... If you would not tell your kid to defend themselves then what would you tell them? Don't get me wrong. I'm not going to tell my kids to lay there while they get dusted by some punk. By all means, defend yourself. What Casey did, was overkill. No matter how much that kid deserved it. If someone's attacking you, defend yourself at all costs, but there's no need to go to lengths of injuring another person. Cooler heads prevail. The horror stories we hear (school shootings, kids snapping after being bullied) are always majorly publicized and always make a bigger impact on society. We never hear about the kids who kept their cool, didn't give the bully any attention and were eventually left alone. That happens all the time. I've seen it with my very own eyes, time and time again.
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Post by Revvie® on Mar 16, 2011 10:21:47 GMT -5
Lol. You're so over the top with everything. Just because I'm going to raise my kids not to fight doesn't mean they're gonna be pussies. It means that they're going to be able resolve conflict in other ways than violence. I never said that they shouldn't stand up for themselves, but not by fighting. Punching a bully isn't the only or best way to show him what's up. I don't have all the answers, nor do I claim to. What you need to do is realize that it's never the end of it. I knew a kid that kept getting bullied. He fought back and embarrassed the guy who kept messing with him. You know what happened? That guy came back to the school, and beat the sh** out of the kid with a chain. Put him in the hospital. Violence, despite the one dealing it out, WILL create a vicious cycle that won't end well. Sometimes, it ends in school shootings. Sometimes it ends in the kid who fought his bully back getting the floor wiped with his a** to put him in his place(as far as his bully is concerned). How can I almost guarantee that my kids won't end up on either of those lists? Teach them that fighting is wrong, and that the sword may be mighty, but it won't solve your problems. No matter how much they think it will. AGAIN...the kid provoked was action on pure adrenaline and frustration, most likely due to lack of consideration by the school system, the kids, and possibly his family. To top that off, he held off and hoped the kid would leave him be, when he had reached his breaking point, he acted out of impulse, not out of vengeance. I think that you are making a quite arrogant statement in the idealism that you telling your kid that they have alternatives will automatically keep them from those two categories. My dad taught me the same...that didn't stop the bullies in school..especially at a age of unreason such as this. Then we come to your "pandora box" argument. The idea that once violence is out then it will proceed only to more violence. NOW while that is true(IN SOME CASES) it is not the truth for every case...I could say "its all down here" from there on just about any negative aspect of this world but that doesn't legitimize your points. Lets now play the hypothesis game. Lets say if your kid was out alone at a park and a kid started to approach and proceed to beat him or her, what would you advise the kid do?
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Mar 16, 2011 10:35:48 GMT -5
Lol. You're so over the top with everything. Just because I'm going to raise my kids not to fight doesn't mean they're gonna be pussies. It means that they're going to be able resolve conflict in other ways than violence. I never said that they shouldn't stand up for themselves, but not by fighting. Punching a bully isn't the only or best way to show him what's up. I don't have all the answers, nor do I claim to. What you need to do is realize that it's never the end of it. I knew a kid that kept getting bullied. He fought back and embarrassed the guy who kept messing with him. You know what happened? That guy came back to the school, and beat the sh** out of the kid with a chain. Put him in the hospital. Violence, despite the one dealing it out, WILL create a vicious cycle that won't end well. Sometimes, it ends in school shootings. Sometimes it ends in the kid who fought his bully back getting the floor wiped with his a** to put him in his place(as far as his bully is concerned). How can I almost guarantee that my kids won't end up on either of those lists? Teach them that fighting is wrong, and that the sword may be mighty, but it won't solve your problems. No matter how much they think it will. AGAIN...the kid provoked was action on pure adrenaline and frustration, most likely due to lack of consideration by the school system, the kids, and possibly his family. To top that off, he held off and hoped the kid would leave him be, when he had reached his breaking point, he acted out of impulse, not out of vengeance. I think that you are making a quite arrogant statement in the idealism that you telling your kid that they have alternatives will automatically keep them from those two categories. My dad taught me the same...that didn't stop the bullies in school..especially at a age of unreason such as this. Then we come to your "pandora box" argument. The idea that once violence is out then it will proceed only to more violence. NOW while that is true(IN SOME CASES) it is not the truth for every case...I could say "its all down here" from there on just about any negative aspect of this world but that doesn't legitimize your points. Lets now play the hypothesis game. Lets say if your kid was out alone at a park and a kid started to approach and proceed to beat him or her, what would you advise the kid do? I never said it would keep them from those two categories. I said that I could almost guarantee. Even if not that, they have a better chance at it. And you're right. These are all ideals that I have. But I can do my best to make sure that they come to fruition. How you say? As you implied, many parents couldn't care any less. If my kid is getting bullied, then I'm getting involved. I'm getting the other kid's parents involved. I'll do everything in my power to keep it from happening. Of course there's always variables to consider. -What if my kid doesn't tell me he's being bullied? I don't have an answer for that. In the real world, things like this will happen. And it will come down to the principals in instilled within the child which will determine the true outcome. Like I said. I don't claim to have all the answers. -What if my kid fights back anyway. I won't applaud them. That's for sure. I'll let them know that even though they stood up for themselves, to do whatever they can in the future not to resort to violence. I don't see anything wrong with that. Now on to the point that I'm putting a negative spin on the cycle of violence. As I said, I've seen it with my very own eyes what can happen when physical battle lines are drawn. Especially when the bully(in his own mind) has more to lose in his reputation than the bullied does. What I'm saying is that I'd do my best as a parent to keep them from being on either end of the situation. Telling them to seek revenge on those that wrong you isn't going to do that.
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Mar 16, 2011 10:50:15 GMT -5
I am a father of two lovely daughters... What is it you would tell your kids...most of the kids who are picked are kids whose parents could care less and the school system feels the same. But what I am interested in, is if your kid ask you to explain bullies and what he or she should do if encountering one. And at what point should someone be allowed to defend themselves...and for that matter a kid who is docile in nature, when provoked will reach further extremes then the one doing such provoking. Due to lack of over usage of levels of adrenaline among the pent up frustration of never being left alone. I get it, you want to take the side of a peaceful resolution here. but then that takes me back to your statement... If you would not tell your kid to defend themselves then what would you tell them? What Casey did, was overkill. Oh, bullsh*t man. Instead of punching or kicking back, he chose to slam the kid down. There's nothing wrong with that at all. It was simply his way of fighting back after getting punched in the face and continiously taunted. It wasn't Casey's fault the kid was so much smaller than him. If a smaller kid was doing that sh*t to me, I'd probably do the same. Pick him up and drop him like a bad habit. I'd use my size and strength to my advantage, just like Casey did. Nothing wrong with that at all. If that's what you have to defend yourself, then you ing use it. ANYONE would. You use what works. It's the bullies fault for picking on him and then stepping over the line and punching him first. What Casey did certainly wasn't overkill. Overkill would be if he stomped him or punched him while he was down or had he picked him up again and slammed him down. That would have been overkill. He only did ONE thing to stop the bully from doing what he was doing. And that was his primary defense, by using his size and strength to his advantage and I'd say it worked out quite well. It got the bully out of his face, didn't it?? He did what he HAD to do to stop the onslaught of bullying. Good for him!!
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Post by Revvie® on Mar 16, 2011 10:52:39 GMT -5
AGAIN...the kid provoked was action on pure adrenaline and frustration, most likely due to lack of consideration by the school system, the kids, and possibly his family. To top that off, he held off and hoped the kid would leave him be, when he had reached his breaking point, he acted out of impulse, not out of vengeance. I think that you are making a quite arrogant statement in the idealism that you telling your kid that they have alternatives will automatically keep them from those two categories. My dad taught me the same...that didn't stop the bullies in school..especially at a age of unreason such as this. Then we come to your "pandora box" argument. The idea that once violence is out then it will proceed only to more violence. NOW while that is true(IN SOME CASES) it is not the truth for every case...I could say "its all down here" from there on just about any negative aspect of this world but that doesn't legitimize your points. Lets now play the hypothesis game. Lets say if your kid was out alone at a park and a kid started to approach and proceed to beat him or her, what would you advise the kid do? I never said it would keep them from those two categories. I said that I could almost guarantee. Even if not that, they have a better chance at it. And you're right. These are all ideals that I have. But I can do my best to make sure that they come to fruition. How you say? As you implied, many parents couldn't care any less. If my kid is getting bullied, then I'm getting involved. I'm getting the other kid's parents involved. I'll do everything in my power to keep it from happening. Of course there's always variables to consider. -What if my kid doesn't tell me he's being bullied? I don't have an answer for that. In the real world, things like this will happen. And it will come down to the principals in instilled within the child which will determine the true outcome. Like I said. I don't claim to have all the answers. -What if my kid fights back anyway. I won't applaud them. That's for sure. I'll let them know that even though they stood up for themselves, to do whatever they can in the future not to resort to violence. I don't see anything wrong with that. Now on to the point that I'm putting a negative spin on the cycle of violence. As I said, I've seen it with my very own eyes what can happen when physical battle lines are drawn. Especially when the bully(in his own mind) has more to lose in his reputation than the bullied does. What I'm saying is that I'd do my best as a parent to keep them from being on either end of the situation. Telling them to seek revenge on those that wrong you isn't going to do that. See, now your starting to become reasonable with your statement...and again I stated that vengeance wasn't and in most cases, has nothing do with with instantaneous reactions done out of adrenaline and the human need to protect oneself. I think a lot of the basis, as I expected, is on the idea of vengeance BUT you came out as though you were against self defense. I figured you knew what you were talking about...I just wanted to make sure. fair enough...in the ideal world there would be no suffering or violence or a need for it...but this is not an ideal world and sometimes we have to fight back for ourselves or what we believe in, whether it be vocally or physically. The idea of "speak softly and carry a big stick comes to mind"...and i believe your the bible buff or one of them....david and goliath when looked at directly next to this, you can see correspondence of a need to defend oneself If this was a shooting, I would be with you...but what the kid did was not out of any amount of vengeance....will it create vengeance...possibly....but alot of time when two people get into a fight they find themselves at a crossroads and alot befriend eachother... Vengeance is not self defense....otherwise...im on board ;D
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Post by gordon on Mar 16, 2011 10:54:37 GMT -5
Good. Bullying little bastard deserved it.
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Mar 16, 2011 11:06:17 GMT -5
I never said it would keep them from those two categories. I said that I could almost guarantee. Even if not that, they have a better chance at it. And you're right. These are all ideals that I have. But I can do my best to make sure that they come to fruition. How you say? As you implied, many parents couldn't care any less. If my kid is getting bullied, then I'm getting involved. I'm getting the other kid's parents involved. I'll do everything in my power to keep it from happening. Of course there's always variables to consider. -What if my kid doesn't tell me he's being bullied? I don't have an answer for that. In the real world, things like this will happen. And it will come down to the principals in instilled within the child which will determine the true outcome. Like I said. I don't claim to have all the answers. -What if my kid fights back anyway. I won't applaud them. That's for sure. I'll let them know that even though they stood up for themselves, to do whatever they can in the future not to resort to violence. I don't see anything wrong with that. Now on to the point that I'm putting a negative spin on the cycle of violence. As I said, I've seen it with my very own eyes what can happen when physical battle lines are drawn. Especially when the bully(in his own mind) has more to lose in his reputation than the bullied does. What I'm saying is that I'd do my best as a parent to keep them from being on either end of the situation. Telling them to seek revenge on those that wrong you isn't going to do that. See, now your starting to become reasonable with your statement...and again I stated that vengeance wasn't and in most cases, has nothing do with with instantaneous reactions done out of adrenaline and the human need to protect oneself. I think a lot of the basis, as I expected, is on the idea of vengeance BUT you came out as though you were against self defense. I figured you knew what you were talking about...I just wanted to make sure. fair enough...in the ideal world there would be no suffering or violence or a need for it...but this is not an ideal world and sometimes we have to fight back for ourselves or what we believe in, whether it be vocally or physically. The idea of "speak softly and carry a big stick comes to mind"...and i believe your the bible buff or one of them....david and goliath when looked at directly next to this, you can see correspondence of a need to defend oneself If this was a shooting, I would be with you...but what the kid did was not out of any amount of vengeance....will it create vengeance...possibly....but alot of time when two people get into a fight they find themselves at a crossroads and alot befriend eachother... Vengeance is not self defense....otherwise...im on board ;D Yeah man. Like I said, I'd never suggest to anyone not to stand up or defend oneself. That's silly.
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Post by hollywoodscene on Mar 16, 2011 11:06:28 GMT -5
I hate WF is the peacekeeper of the internet, everyone would have done that in if in his shoes. the rush woudl have swept you and you cant blame the kid for wanting to bet he one in control for once. I think he showed him he isnt someone to be ed with by how easily he handled that dweeb.
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Post by RSCTom on Mar 16, 2011 11:07:26 GMT -5
Bullying is a horrible, miserable thing but no one can expect it to end, ever. There will always, ALWAYS be bullies, always be ignorance, and always be this type of fighting amongst kids. It will always come back around. Teachers can only do so much. If a kid wants to bully someone, he will listen to no one except himself. Especially one like that who is clearly only looking to be cool in front of his friends and be a jerk.
As far as the retaliation, it's not good, and it's never good, but NO ONE in that situation is ever going to be thinking of how they can get out of it doing the least damage possible. Who knows what that uppity little bastard was saying to that kid as he was taunting him. And who knows how long he'd be saying it by that point?
He is clearly bullying him, clearly the first person punching him. That doesn't make the dominator the right thing to do, but the last thing on the other kid's mind being surrounded by 3 or 4 terrible people like that is to get out of the situation "non-violently." When you are defending yourself, you are worried only about your own survival, especially in a numbers game like that. In his mind, the only thing that kid could do to escape the situation without being pummeled, after getting PUNCHED IN THE FACE not once but TWICE and then charged, is fight back.
No one in that situation, even those who have been taught to walk away, etc, is thinking about escaping it without attacking anyone. Your thought process changes when you are standing there, in those exact shoes.
At the end of the day, kids should be taught NOT to bully first and foremost. That's the only thing that can minimize/ make situations like this easily tolerable.
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Mar 16, 2011 11:12:55 GMT -5
What Casey did, was overkill. Oh, bullsh*t man. Instead of punching or kicking back, he chose to slam the kid down. There's nothing wrong with that at all. It was simply his way of fighting back after getting punched in the face and continiously taunted. It wasn't Casey's fault the kid was so much smaller than him. If a smaller kid was doing that sh*t to me, I'd probably do the same. Pick him up and drop him like a bad habit. I'd use my size and strength to my advantage, just like Casey did. Nothing wrong with that at all. If that's what you have to defend yourself, then you ing use it. ANYONE would. You use what works. It's the bullies fault for picking on him and then stepping over the line and punching him first. What Casey did certainly wasn't overkill. Overkill would be if he stomped him or punched him while he was down or had he picked him up again and slammed him down. That would have been overkill. He only did ONE thing to stop the bully from doing what he was doing. And that was his primary defense, by using his size and strength to his advantage and I'd say it worked out quite well. It got the bully out of his face, didn't it?? He did what he HAD to do to stop the onslaught of bullying. Good for him!! If you noticed, by just raising his arms the kid was no longer able to even punch him. He could have "used what he had" to push the kid aggressively away. That alone would have said "I'm too big for you to be putting you freaking hands on me, so cut it out!". I understand that it may have been an act of rage, maybe even a semi-justifiable act of rage. But grabbing a guy, hoisting him above your head and driving him to the pavement is overkill. He's bigger, so ANYTHING he could have done would have been enough. You're acting like the little kid was Floyd Mayweather and the only way to stop him was slamming him and breaking his leg. Heck, he probably could've punked that kid out by yelling in his face considering the massive size difference. Will it teach the kid? Maybe, maybe not. You cannot say for sure. You just can't. No matter how much you try to (which is alot...all the time...with everything you talk about).
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Post by K5 on Mar 16, 2011 11:17:11 GMT -5
honestly, i never bullied anyone other than a bit of teasing and i was never really bullied myself...so i don't see what's the least bit wrong in defending yourself if necessary no matter what age.
i certainly think violence shouldn't be condoned when not a necessary defense, but i also think being bullied should definitely not be tolerated in any form.
i think adults bullying children occurs much more often than many people would like to admit and that it for the by far most part it goes unwarranted...specifically teachers. not to go all pink floyd, but teachers did far more damage to my developing mind than any peer did.
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Mar 16, 2011 11:20:00 GMT -5
Bullying is a horrible, miserable thing but no one can expect it to end, ever. There will always, ALWAYS be bullies, always be ignorance, and always be this type of fighting amongst kids. It will always come back around. Teachers can only do so much. If a kid wants to bully someone, he will listen to no one except himself. Especially one like that who is clearly only looking to be cool in front of his friends and be a jerk. As far as the retaliation, it's not good, and it's never good, but NO ONE in that situation is ever going to be thinking of how they can get out of it doing the least damage possible. Who knows what that uppity little bastard was saying to that kid as he was taunting him. And who knows how long he'd be saying it by that point? He is clearly bullying him, clearly the first person punching him. That doesn't make the dominator the right thing to do, but the last thing on the other kid's mind being surrounded by 3 or 4 terrible people like that is to get out of the situation "non-violently." When you are defending yourself, you are worried only about your own survival, especially in a numbers game like that. In his mind, the only thing that kid could do to escape the situation without being pummeled, after getting PUNCHED IN THE FACE not once but TWICE and then charged, is fight back. No one in that situation, even those who have been taught to walk away, etc, is thinking about escaping it without attacking anyone. Your thought process changes when you are standing there, in those exact shoes. At the end of the day, kids should be taught NOT to bully first and foremost. That's the only thing that can minimize/ make situations like this easily tolerable. I don't know. I'm no Gandhi, but when I'm surrounded like that, I'm thinking flight over fight. I know everyone's different. And "non violent" isn't going to be even an afterthought. In the case of worrying for your personal survival, then you're right. But there's always a choice to make. The kid wasn't getting jumped. Some little prick punched him in the face. A simple shove could've easily gotten the same message across. Honestly though. What we all have to remember is that we are all individuals. None of us can say how the next person would react in a situation like that because we truly don't know. I know how I'd ATTEMPT to react. I know how I'd want my kids to react. That's all I've been intending to say through out this entire discussion.
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Mar 16, 2011 11:29:32 GMT -5
^ So, you are actually saying that this situation could have been ended if Casey just pushed him agressively away?? Dude, are you for real?? "I'm too big for you to keep putting your hands on me, so cut it out" Dude, are you Mr. Rogers or what?? I'm sorry, but that sounds like one of the pussiest things I've ever heard. The ONLY way to end that situation after getting punched was to fight back. Not to push him aggressively away and let me know that "I'm too big for you, so please cut it out"...Come on man, think about what you are saying here... You fight back and do what you can to teach the bully a harsh lesson. Casey Heynes is a hero for all those getting bullied. He didn't deserve a suspension and did what was right. He was assaulted first and did what ANYONE (minus you) would have done and fight back. Oh and I absolutely LOVE all the different versions of the video popping up on Youtube. They are ing awesome!! Here's a UFC one. LOL. Enjoy. I know I will.
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Mar 16, 2011 11:36:23 GMT -5
^ So, you are actually saying that this situation could have been ended if Casey just pushed him agressively away?? Dude, are you for real?? "I'm too big for you to keep putting your hands on me, so cut it out" Dude, are you Mr. Rogers or what?? I'm sorry, but that sounds like one of the pussiest things I've ever heard. The ONLY way to end that situation after getting punched was to fight back. Not to push him aggressively away and let me know that "I'm too big for you, so please cut it out"...Come on man, think about what you are saying here... You fight back and do what you can to teach the bully a harsh lesson. Casey Heynes is a hero for all those getting bullied. He didn't deserve a suspension and did what was right. He was assaulted first and did what ANYONE (minus you) would have done and fight back. Oh and I absolutely LOVE all the different versions of the video popping up on Youtube. They are ing awesome!! Here's a UFC one. LOL. Enjoy. I know I will. Whatever bro. I'm no longer discussing this with you, since you insist spewing your usual macho bull**** and be over the top with your statements. Like I said, you DO NOT KNOW what would've worked in that situation. What if he did push the kid down and he simply tripped over the step that he freaking broke his knee on? How do you know that it wouldn't have been enough? That's right. You don't. Neither do I. But what I do know is that it would have been a less violent conclusion to the matter. Get a grip and learn how to have a discussion without sounding like a 17 year old jock (which you clearly aren't).
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Mar 16, 2011 11:38:18 GMT -5
I hate WF is the peacekeeper of the internet, everyone would have done that in if in his shoes. the rush woudl have swept you and you cant blame the kid for wanting to bet he one in control for once. I think he showed him he isnt someone to be ed with by how easily he handled that dweeb. So you it here because other have a difference in opinion on how to handle conflict?
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Post by RSCTom on Mar 16, 2011 11:42:14 GMT -5
Bullying is a horrible, miserable thing but no one can expect it to end, ever. There will always, ALWAYS be bullies, always be ignorance, and always be this type of fighting amongst kids. It will always come back around. Teachers can only do so much. If a kid wants to bully someone, he will listen to no one except himself. Especially one like that who is clearly only looking to be cool in front of his friends and be a jerk. As far as the retaliation, it's not good, and it's never good, but NO ONE in that situation is ever going to be thinking of how they can get out of it doing the least damage possible. Who knows what that uppity little bastard was saying to that kid as he was taunting him. And who knows how long he'd be saying it by that point? He is clearly bullying him, clearly the first person punching him. That doesn't make the dominator the right thing to do, but the last thing on the other kid's mind being surrounded by 3 or 4 terrible people like that is to get out of the situation "non-violently." When you are defending yourself, you are worried only about your own survival, especially in a numbers game like that. In his mind, the only thing that kid could do to escape the situation without being pummeled, after getting PUNCHED IN THE FACE not once but TWICE and then charged, is fight back. No one in that situation, even those who have been taught to walk away, etc, is thinking about escaping it without attacking anyone. Your thought process changes when you are standing there, in those exact shoes. At the end of the day, kids should be taught NOT to bully first and foremost. That's the only thing that can minimize/ make situations like this easily tolerable. I don't know. I'm no Gandhi, but when I'm surrounded like that, I'm thinking flight over fight. I know everyone's different. And "non violent" isn't going to be even an afterthought. In the case of worrying for your personal survival, then you're right. But there's always a choice to make. The kid wasn't getting jumped. Some little prick punched him in the face. A simple shove could've easily gotten the same message across. Honestly though. What we all have to remember is that we are all individuals. None of us can say how the next person would react in a situation like that because we truly don't know. I know how I'd ATTEMPT to react. I know how I'd want my kids to react. That's all I've been intending to say through out this entire discussion. I see what you're saying man. You're right, too. I know how I would react, you know how you would react, we all know how we would like other people to react. So based on that, let's put ourselves into this kids shoes for one minute. Let's assume these kids are what, 10 or 11? None of them know their own physical strength, so I think that should be the first thing set aside. On top of this, they're just at a pique age of learning all kinds of new, awful, and unfair words that they don't even know the true meaning of but are old enough to throw around without thinking. Let's also assume generally that this kid has been previously bullied and is continuing to be bullied by these same kids. This is just an assumption based on the unfortunate one time I got swept up into bullying a kid in elementary school and the few times I have been bulled in the past. Looking at the "style" of bullying these kids have, it seems like this is a continued thing that has reached some sort of boiling point at this moment caught on film. Not that the kid woke up today and decided to pick on a fat kid, but that he's been doing it for weeks, maybe months. Things they are saying have reached a point as well. Let's also assume bullied has been taught, as you have said, to be in flight instead of in fight. Looks like what, maybe they're at the end of the day, waiting for a bus? Regardless of the situation, maybe he can't run, and even if he can, wouldn't that just cause the bullying to continue or get worse? Unless a teacher steps in, which unfortunately hasn't happened here and doesn't regularly happen unless a kid opens their mouth, which they usually don't, it won't change. So instead of running, possibly being grabbed by one of these other kids (a couple of which look as though they may be bigger than him) and pulled back into a major beatdown, this kid is faced with a very specific thought process. I agree with you whole heartedly that violence is not the answer in this situation, but! Psychologically, you are a continually bullied fat kid who probably has self esteem issues, has been dealing with this for an extended period of time without really being able to tell anyone, and are surrounded, dangerously in the eyes of an 11 year old, and actually being attacked, by your antagonizers. How would you react?
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Mar 16, 2011 11:45:43 GMT -5
^ Sorry dude, but I just can't take you seriously anymore. You actually believe that "a simple shove" would have been the better option to go with AFTER getting punched in the face....Wow...Now I know why you were bullied...
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Post by johnnydirtbag on Mar 16, 2011 11:47:55 GMT -5
Reports have mentioned the bullying has been going on for years.
There is NO way you can sit there and say after being bullied for years by the same group of people that you will just continue to let it happen. There comes a point when you just snap, and do something drastic.
I'm not in favour of violence, but you can't just the other cheek and let him get away with punching you in the FACE, multiple times.
It's our natural reaction to go into stomping mode when pushed to the limit. The kid obviously repressed that crapfor years, and couldn't take it anymore.
He did nothing wrong. Period.
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Mar 16, 2011 11:48:35 GMT -5
^ Sorry dude, but I just can't take you seriously anymore. You actually believe that "a simple shove" would have been the better option to go with AFTER getting punched in the face....Wow...Now I know why you were bullied... Actually, if you read back some, I was bullied in elementary school and ended up knocking the dust from the little sh** who did it. So say what you want. No one takes you seriously either, so I supposed we're on the same page.
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