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Post by slappy on Mar 20, 2011 21:18:51 GMT -5
Also....the minute WWE started to play dramatic music in the arena while guys were talking on the mic.....they completely showed me that this thing is going in a direction it's never going to come back from. I have only noticed it once and that was with Rock. I chalked that up to them playing up his whole Hollywood career. |
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Mar 20, 2011 21:20:33 GMT -5
I might be the only one...but I HATE story lines. It's getting to be more ridiculous than a soap opera. Remember back in the day where the only motivation two guys needed to fight was because one guy was champion and the other guy wanted to try and win the belt from him? That was good enough for me. Now it's like "You and I were childhood friends and you stole my high school girlfriend and made my family hate me and let my dog out of the house and he ran away and all of these events have made my life a living hell and I'm going to beat you up to get my revenge...oh and I guess while we're at it we might as well make it a title match LOL" Because elaborate stories have only been apart of wrestling for the past few years. The difference is that back in the day, the elaborate story lines would result in a match that lived up to the hype. Here, WWE has a PPV every 3 weeks basically and they concoct such a ridiculous elaborate storyline in such a short period of time and the matches are always a dud. WWE needs to have fewer PPV's and actually take the TIME to build something up....maybe WWE's story lines such because they are so rushed and after every PPV it's time to start another ridiculous angle that's only got 3 weeks to run its course. |
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Post by slappy on Mar 20, 2011 21:24:35 GMT -5
Because elaborate stories have only been apart of wrestling for the past few years. The difference is that back in the day, the elaborate story lines would result in a match that lived up to the hype. Here, WWE has a PPV every 3 weeks basically and they concoct such a ridiculous elaborate storyline in such a short period of time and the matches are always a dud. WWE needs to have fewer PPV's and actually take the TIME to build something up....maybe WWE's story lines such because they are so rushed and after every PPV it's time to start another ridiculous angle that's only got 3 weeks to run its course. The WWE has had a PPV a month for a long time now so that is no excuse. Always a dud? Always? People get attacked for being negative in the TNA board, my gosh they should come see you post here. |
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Mar 20, 2011 21:34:42 GMT -5
The difference is that back in the day, the elaborate story lines would result in a match that lived up to the hype. Here, WWE has a PPV every 3 weeks basically and they concoct such a ridiculous elaborate storyline in such a short period of time and the matches are always a dud. WWE needs to have fewer PPV's and actually take the TIME to build something up....maybe WWE's story lines such because they are so rushed and after every PPV it's time to start another ridiculous angle that's only got 3 weeks to run its course. The WWE has had a PPV a month for a long time now so that is no excuse. Always a dud? Always? People get attacked for being negative in the TNA board, my gosh they should come see you post here. Ok, name me the last WWE main event PPV match that actually lived up to its hype and was a quality match worth selling a PPV around? The WWE's most talented performers are their under card wrestlers which rarely get any attention,....Daniel Bryan, Evan Bourne, William Regal, Christian...even Santinio Marella is a fantastic WRESTLER if he wasn't used on TV as a comedy routine. Sheamus and John Morrison had a series of matches near the end of 2010 that blow anything a WWE "Main Eventer" has done on PPV in a long time All the big feuds seem to end in matches that are a let down....Triple H and Orton have huge feuds and their matches are crap because they have no chemistry. But Orton has fantastic matches with Sheamus but they never really got a long feud....they had 1 or 2 singles PPV matches I believe and that was it. Cena and Orton also don't have great matches against eachother....they make great tag team partners though, lot's of chemistry the few times we've seen them tag. I'm just sick of all the Hollywood, all the drama, all the shenanigans, and then they give me a match that pretty much just "meh". |
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Post by punksnotdead on Mar 20, 2011 21:38:36 GMT -5
I wonder if they were a "wrestling" company during the Attitude Era? I think there was actually less wrestling on tv at that time. I kind of believe WWE has just smartened up on how to really sell a PPV. You give us very little for free and when you do give us anything you leave us wanting more. It's the reason you had to laugh at WCW when they gave away Goldberg/Hogan for free, or you laugh at TNA for giving away Sting/Jeff Hardy, or really the various TNA Impact main events that could have been PPV matches over the last year and a half.
At one point, wrestling was culturally acceptable to watch and I would like to see it get back to that personally. I almost feel like people take it less seriously because of the whole Sports Entertainment thing. Obviously the sponsors don't and Vince is a marketing genius, but it's a shame they have tried to disassociate themselves from being a wrestling company.
I have ROH if I want simple, pure, straight forward wrestling. However, I still think WWE is "wrestling." I mean Ziggler vs Bryan at Bragging Rights was amazing wrestling. Not to say they aren't more entertainment than wrestling, because quite frankly they are, but they are still a wrestling company from a pure athletic standpoint. Again, I get what they are trying to do, and why Vince went that direction, but the tv writers, the moveset restrictions, and the PG has really made WWE more corporate than ever, for better or worse.
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Post by snapmare on Mar 20, 2011 21:40:11 GMT -5
WELL Paul Heyman said it best Vince made wrestling a dirty word and there you go what a crock of sh*t if you ask me
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Post by King Shocker the Monumentous on Mar 20, 2011 21:43:04 GMT -5
but then again, they don't have bookers either... they have TV writers  You didn't just say that...TELL ME you did not just say that! I might be the only one...but I HATE story lines. It's getting to be more ridiculous than a soap opera. Remember back in the day where the only motivation two guys needed to fight was because one guy was champion and the other guy wanted to try and win the belt from him? That was good enough for me. Now it's like "You and I were childhood friends and you stole my high school girlfriend and made my family hate me and let my dog out of the house and he ran away and all of these events have made my life a living hell and I'm going to beat you up to get my revenge...oh and I guess while we're at it we might as well make it a title match LOL" If memory serves, ECW did a storyline remarkably similar to that, and it was awesome. |
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Mar 20, 2011 21:46:09 GMT -5
That feud also lasted for years, the matches were fantastic, and Tommy Dreamer never won until the last show Raven did before leaving to go to WCW.
WWE builds something up, 3 weeks later is a PPV, and BOOM it's over. Or they have one guy win, then the next month the next guy wins and gets his revenge.
The Dreamer/Raven feud was long, thought out, completely one sided until the end, and the most important thing....the matches lived up to the hype.
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Mar 20, 2011 21:49:23 GMT -5
Also....the minute WWE started to play dramatic music in the arena while guys were talking on the mic.....they completely showed me that this thing is going in a direction it's never going to come back from. I have only noticed it once and that was with Rock. I chalked that up to them playing up his whole Hollywood career. Also, didn't WCW used to play the wrestlers' theme music during their backstage promos? |
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Post by Epic Z on Mar 20, 2011 21:50:38 GMT -5
Is that why there biggest event is called Wrestlemania?
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Post by slappy on Mar 20, 2011 21:50:49 GMT -5
The WWE has had a PPV a month for a long time now so that is no excuse. Always a dud? Always? People get attacked for being negative in the TNA board, my gosh they should come see you post here. Ok, name me the last WWE main event PPV match that actually lived up to its hype and was a quality match worth selling a PPV around? The WWE's most talented performers are their under card wrestlers which rarely get any attention,....Daniel Bryan, Evan Bourne, William Regal, Christian...even Santinio Marella is a fantastic WRESTLER if he wasn't used on TV as a comedy routine. Sheamus and John Morrison had a series of matches near the end of 2010 that blow anything a WWE "Main Eventer" has done on PPV in a long time All the big feuds seem to end in matches that are a let down....Triple H and Orton have huge feuds and their matches are crap because they have no chemistry. But Orton has fantastic matches with Sheamus but they never really got a long feud....they had 1 or 2 singles PPV matches I believe and that was it. Cena and Orton also don't have great matches against eachother....they make great tag team partners though, lot's of chemistry the few times we've seen them tag. I'm just sick of all the Hollywood, all the drama, all the shenanigans, and then they give me a match that pretty much just "meh". Now are we talking the selling point of the PPV or the actual last match on the card? You do know not every match on every single PPV is going to be a 5 star MOTY candidate. I cannot disagree that they have an extremely talented undercard. As much as I'm not a fan of Sheamus, he seems to be, so far, the guy that can have a good or at least decent match with everybody. I liked Hunter and Orton's Judgment Day match. I know a lot of people talk about how their WM 25 match was crap. I haven't seen it since that day so I don't quite remember if it was as awful as it is made out to be. They do give us good to great matches, but people here like to focus on what sucked instead. Since the divas match sucked or the main event wasn't the greatest match since Gotch beat Hackenschmidt in an epic encounter. You think the WWE is going to make Cena and Orton a tag team and lower them down the card? People do want to see something different hence the Cena/Orton staredowns at the Rumble and no one popped at all. What do you mean by drama and shenanigans? |
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Post by Byron F'N Saxton Fan on Mar 20, 2011 21:55:08 GMT -5
WWE has wrestling and storylines, just like any other major Wrestling company should, has and does have. Nothing new. Everyone knows their stance on "Wrestling" being used in relation to them, and while it is groan inducing, especially here with the "demanding" of the Headline being re-worded, but WWE has aspects of entertainment that are stupid and aspects that are great.
Not a big deal, people bash them for not caring about Wrestling, so don't act shocked when they actually say it. They are more entertainment than just Wrestling, and that's not always a bad thing.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Mar 20, 2011 22:05:28 GMT -5
Ok, name me the last WWE main event PPV match that actually lived up to its hype and was a quality match worth selling a PPV around? The WWE's most talented performers are their under card wrestlers which rarely get any attention,....Daniel Bryan, Evan Bourne, William Regal, Christian...even Santinio Marella is a fantastic WRESTLER if he wasn't used on TV as a comedy routine. Sheamus and John Morrison had a series of matches near the end of 2010 that blow anything a WWE "Main Eventer" has done on PPV in a long time All the big feuds seem to end in matches that are a let down....Triple H and Orton have huge feuds and their matches are crap because they have no chemistry. But Orton has fantastic matches with Sheamus but they never really got a long feud....they had 1 or 2 singles PPV matches I believe and that was it. Cena and Orton also don't have great matches against eachother....they make great tag team partners though, lot's of chemistry the few times we've seen them tag. I'm just sick of all the Hollywood, all the drama, all the shenanigans, and then they give me a match that pretty much just "meh". Now are we talking the selling point of the PPV or the actual last match on the card? You do know not every match on every single PPV is going to be a 5 star MOTY candidate. I cannot disagree that they have an extremely talented undercard. As much as I'm not a fan of Sheamus, he seems to be, so far, the guy that can have a good or at least decent match with everybody. I liked Hunter and Orton's Judgment Day match. I know a lot of people talk about how their WM 25 match was crap. I haven't seen it since that day so I don't quite remember if it was as awful as it is made out to be. They do give us good to great matches, but people here like to focus on what sucked instead. Since the divas match sucked or the main event wasn't the greatest match since Gotch beat Hackenschmidt in an epic encounter. You think the WWE is going to make Cena and Orton a tag team and lower them down the card? People do want to see something different hence the Cena/Orton staredowns at the Rumble and no one popped at all. What do you mean by drama and shenanigans? How about the ridiculous Orton/Triple H home invasion promo.....I mean, that looked like I was watching an episode of CSI or whatever. Orton goes out the window and they just HAPPEN to have a camera mad ALREADY out on the front lawn and ready to switch the angle as soon as Orton breaks the glass? The difference between that and the Austin/Pillman home invasion angle is that Austin/Pillman didn't seem FAKE. The camera man was running after them but always a little behind, it was shaky and out of focus at points...it seemed like an episode of cops. Orton/Triple H on the other hand had some of the cleanest Hollywood production values I've ever seen. And then after all that.....the match at WM25 sucked. First of all, the match should have been no DQ so they could have really been aggressive. I'm sorry but after Orton punts Vince and Shane, RKO's Steph and makes out with her knocked out...and then Triple H breaks into Orton's "house" and beats him up and threatens his "wife"....you're telling me this is going to be settled in a match under REGULAR rules? This is a situation where the build up was so extreme that the actual match itself was so tame and it just ruined it. But WWE cares more about the angle than the matches...which is my whole point. |
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Mar 20, 2011 22:07:13 GMT -5
Meh... Whatever.
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Post by breakthewallsdown on Mar 20, 2011 22:08:02 GMT -5
*sighs* only if WCW won the war
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Post by jfinnomore on Mar 20, 2011 22:10:08 GMT -5
thats how i feel, its their company if they don't want it to be called wrestling it shouldn't be called wrestling. i'm not losing sleep over it. |
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Post by johnnypoopypants on Mar 20, 2011 22:12:24 GMT -5
Also....the minute WWE started to play dramatic music in the arena while guys were talking on the mic.....they completely showed me that this thing is going in a direction it's never going to come back from. I have only noticed it once and that was with Rock. I chalked that up to them playing up his whole Hollywood career. This has been done a lot more than that one time. During Kane's title reign last year he was giving weekly promos with dramatic music in the background. I'm sure it was used with someone else, but I can't remember who. |
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Post by DMO™ on Mar 20, 2011 22:13:06 GMT -5
The WWE has had a PPV a month for a long time now so that is no excuse. Always a dud? Always? People get attacked for being negative in the TNA board, my gosh they should come see you post here. Ok, name me the last WWE main event PPV match that actually lived up to its hype and was a quality match worth selling a PPV around? The WWE's most talented performers are their under card wrestlers which rarely get any attention,....Daniel Bryan, Evan Bourne, William Regal, Christian...even Santinio Marella is a fantastic WRESTLER if he wasn't used on TV as a comedy routine. Sheamus and John Morrison had a series of matches near the end of 2010 that blow anything a WWE "Main Eventer" has done on PPV in a long time All the big feuds seem to end in matches that are a let down....Triple H and Orton have huge feuds and their matches are crap because they have no chemistry. But Orton has fantastic matches with Sheamus but they never really got a long feud....they had 1 or 2 singles PPV matches I believe and that was it. Cena and Orton also don't have great matches against eachother....they make great tag team partners though, lot's of chemistry the few times we've seen them tag. I'm just sick of all the Hollywood, all the drama, all the shenanigans, and then they give me a match that pretty much just "meh". Elimination Chamber, Royal Rumble, TLC... |
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Post by punksnotdead on Mar 20, 2011 22:16:20 GMT -5
Is that why there biggest event is called Wrestlemania?  |
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Mar 20, 2011 22:17:27 GMT -5
*sighs* only if WCW won the war I wish nobody won the war and that it was still going on... A) The more companies that exist, the better it is for the talent. Right now, if you're not in WWE you're only real option is TNA if you want to be able to make ANY money. B) I don't think it's any coincidence that wrestling was at its peak when WWF and WCW were in the middle of a dogfight and ECW was producing awesome talent which would pad WWF and WCW's talent pool. At that time, these companies had to give the best show they humanly could. Every segment, every match, people's jobs were on the line and every single person had to go out there and put on the best match they could or the best job at whatever their role was that night.... You take WCW out of the equation, and now all of a sudden Vince McMahon has the luxury of giving us the show HE wants to give us, instead of the show WE want to see. WWE right now has no incentive to give us anything other than what they want us to have or try any harder than they feel like.....they are the show. TNA isn't even a pimple on the ass of WWE at this point. Nobody in WWE is going to jump ship to TNA for the low paycheck, horrible working conditions, and audience of 1500 tourists.....this isn't the 90's where WWE actually had to worry about its main talent jumping ship. WWE right now is playing it safe, keeping it consistent and just pretty much it's the same show every week. |
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