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Post by breakthewallsdown on Mar 20, 2011 22:17:59 GMT -5
wwe has become childs play for the most part, i expect them to continue to go down hill as well as changing the direction of the company
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Post by slappy on Mar 20, 2011 23:08:07 GMT -5
Now are we talking the selling point of the PPV or the actual last match on the card? You do know not every match on every single PPV is going to be a 5 star MOTY candidate. I cannot disagree that they have an extremely talented undercard. As much as I'm not a fan of Sheamus, he seems to be, so far, the guy that can have a good or at least decent match with everybody. I liked Hunter and Orton's Judgment Day match. I know a lot of people talk about how their WM 25 match was crap. I haven't seen it since that day so I don't quite remember if it was as awful as it is made out to be. They do give us good to great matches, but people here like to focus on what sucked instead. Since the divas match sucked or the main event wasn't the greatest match since Gotch beat Hackenschmidt in an epic encounter. You think the WWE is going to make Cena and Orton a tag team and lower them down the card? People do want to see something different hence the Cena/Orton staredowns at the Rumble and no one popped at all. What do you mean by drama and shenanigans? How about the ridiculous Orton/Triple H home invasion promo.....I mean, that looked like I was watching an episode of CSI or whatever. Orton goes out the window and they just HAPPEN to have a camera mad ALREADY out on the front lawn and ready to switch the angle as soon as Orton breaks the glass? The difference between that and the Austin/Pillman home invasion angle is that Austin/Pillman didn't seem FAKE. The camera man was running after them but always a little behind, it was shaky and out of focus at points...it seemed like an episode of cops. Orton/Triple H on the other hand had some of the cleanest Hollywood production values I've ever seen. And then after all that.....the match at WM25 sucked. First of all, the match should have been no DQ so they could have really been aggressive. I'm sorry but after Orton punts Vince and Shane, RKO's Steph and makes out with her knocked out...and then Triple H breaks into Orton's "house" and beats him up and threatens his "wife"....you're telling me this is going to be settled in a match under REGULAR rules? This is a situation where the build up was so extreme that the actual match itself was so tame and it just ruined it. But WWE cares more about the angle than the matches...which is my whole point. I don't see how it was ridiculous as a whole. Yeah, the camera already in the front yard, I'll give you but the whole thing with Hunter terrorizing Randy, not at all. That was good. Production values and technology has changed so much since Austin/Pillman. Should all promos seem like someone had a camcorder and was filming the stuff? Or have grainy footage? Just to make it all seem like WWE cameras aren't even involved? I haven't seen the match since then, so I can't comment on if it sucked or not. Even if it was no DQ, you would be here saying it shouldn't have even been a wrestling match, it should have just been a brawl, no wrestling moves just punching and trying to settle their differences and seeing which is the survivor. Pillman/Austin. Is that going to be solved by a wrestling match? No. Macho/Roberts. Is that going to be solved by a wrestling match? No. Vince and anyone. Would that be solved by a wrestling match? No. Dusty and the Horsemen. Would that be solved by a wrestling match? No. Wresting is filled with angles where any match is not good enough for what the wrestlers have gone through. An all out fight, just using their fists and pummeling each other until they are broken up and taken away is all that will do. But this is wrestling, a match is what settles rivalries. |
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Post by Captain d00m - Mr. 3000 on Mar 20, 2011 23:40:02 GMT -5
Coming soon: World Wide Entertainments biggest show: ENTERTAINMENTMANIA!
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Post by DgenerationX092 on Mar 21, 2011 0:30:19 GMT -5
Coming soon: World Wide Entertainments biggest show: ENTERTAINMENTMANIA!  YOU FOR HAVING A GREAT MIND LIKE ME I got through 3 pages without that joke being made, and low and behold the LAST poster makes it. .... well I serve no purpose here anymore. |
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Post by Neos on Mar 21, 2011 0:43:36 GMT -5
WWE's logic is flawless. A wrestling company that isn't a wrestling company...just genius!
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Post by missedgehead on Mar 21, 2011 9:14:47 GMT -5
I just find it amazing that WWE runs away from what they do...what their company is based on: WRESTLING. Their biggest event is WRESTLEMANIA. I also think it is silly calling the wrestlers, "superstars."  I just refuse to call them that. They are wrestlers. Top NFL players can also be considered "superstars" but we don't refer to Manning, Brady, or Montana as "superstars." Just silly |
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Post by jbarqu88 on Mar 21, 2011 9:25:21 GMT -5
Haven't they been an entertainment business for a long time now? I don't know why it's a big deal again.
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Post by sandoval on Mar 21, 2011 10:10:56 GMT -5
WWE is pathetic Coming soon: World Wide Entertainments biggest show: ENTERTAINMENTMANIA! It's true ! Well, at least there is only 2 weeks, just 2 weeks, until Wrestle.... hum, sorry EntertainmentMania ! ;D |
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Post by Jordan on Mar 21, 2011 10:13:23 GMT -5
It's still real to me dammit!
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Post by The Boglin on Mar 21, 2011 11:13:20 GMT -5
Why does Vince hate pro wrestling so much? It made him what he is today. Sure WWE broke the mold while more sporty stuff like AWA and NWA were going on, but at the end of the day it's a pro wrestling company. It's stuff like this that makes me not want to watch WWE. I'm a pro wrestling fan and last I checked there is nothing wrong with it.
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Post by Irish Wrestling Entertainment on Mar 21, 2011 19:19:10 GMT -5
I personally find it embarrassing that 'stars' like Snookie can come to WWE and get WELCOMED. If you want to watch Snookie, go and watch Jersey Shore - but don't ing dare come and ruin a good wrestling event. That's my honest opinion. I hope some people can see it similarly. |
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Post by slappy on Mar 21, 2011 23:31:33 GMT -5
I personally find it embarrassing that 'stars' like Snookie can come to WWE and get WELCOMED. If you want to watch Snookie, go and watch Jersey Shore - but don't ing dare come and ruin a good wrestling event. That's my honest opinion. I hope some people can see it similarly. Celebrities have been involved with wrestling for many decades. |
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Mar 21, 2011 23:38:01 GMT -5
I personally find it embarrassing that 'stars' like Snookie can come to WWE and get WELCOMED. If you want to watch Snookie, go and watch Jersey Shore - but don't ing dare come and ruin a good wrestling event. That's my honest opinion. I hope some people can see it similarly. Celebrities have been involved with wrestling for many decades. Yeah...."celebrities". Snooki is not a celebrity. Her presence is certainly catering to the lowest common denominator out there....not exactly the type of "celebrity" you would think WWE would want to associate itself with. |
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Post by robby.blade on Mar 22, 2011 1:00:08 GMT -5
I guess this makes TNA the top wrestling company now? Bahahaha
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Post by Byron F'N Saxton Fan on Mar 22, 2011 1:47:37 GMT -5
Celebrities have been involved with wrestling for many decades. Yeah...."celebrities". Snooki is not a celebrity. Her presence is certainly catering to the lowest common denominator out there....not exactly the type of "celebrity" you would think WWE would want to associate itself with. So, she isn't a celebrity, but she is a celebrity, one WWE shouldn't want? |
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Mar 22, 2011 1:58:16 GMT -5
Yeah...."celebrities". Snooki is not a celebrity. Her presence is certainly catering to the lowest common denominator out there....not exactly the type of "celebrity" you would think WWE would want to associate itself with. So, she isn't a celebrity, but she is a celebrity, one WWE shouldn't want? If they claim to be such family friendly programming and everything is aimed at kids....this is WWE's claim, not my opinion....then why have some skank from the show Jersey Shore who's claim to fame is getting drunk and having sex with multiple people? |
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Post by Byron F'N Saxton Fan on Mar 22, 2011 2:01:57 GMT -5
So, she isn't a celebrity, but she is a celebrity, one WWE shouldn't want? If they claim to be such family friendly programming and everything is aimed at kids....this is WWE's claim, not my opinion....then why have some skank from the show Jersey Shore who's claim to fame is getting drunk and having sex with multiple people? I don't disagree with that, like many other "R-Rated" Guest Stars they've had, but what I'm trying to understand is you said she isn't a celebrity, but then you said she is a celebrity. Which is it? |
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Mar 22, 2011 2:41:35 GMT -5
My point is that she's not a celebrity...and if she was, that's hardly the type of celebrity WWE would want to bring in.
Why don't they bring in Charlie Sheen or Lindsay Lohan while we're at it. We can just have a full on coke and hookers gangbang match!
What R-Rated hosts has WWE brought in since this concept started? Mike Tyson, David Hasselhoff, Pee Wee Herman and Ben Roethlisberger are the only ones with any kind of REAL LIFE checkered past.
Yeah, some of the other ones have been in shows or movies that aren't kid friendly, but they are good people in real life. Robert Carlyle played Hitler in a movie but that doesn't make him a bad guy and nobody is going to go start killing Jews because of his movie......Snooki and the rest of the Jersey Shore idiots are a bad influence on kids and kids want to be like them and they claim that this is how they are in real life and it's not an act.
Bob Barker? Johnny Damon? Jewel? The rest are just there to plug something like a book, show or movie. So you have no validity to your point.
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Post by xtremewrestlingfan on Mar 22, 2011 2:48:15 GMT -5
K, I'm officially done with WWE. Not even sure if I'll watch Mania, now.
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Post by Byron F'N Saxton Fan on Mar 22, 2011 3:49:31 GMT -5
My point is that she's not a celebrity...and if she was, that's hardly the type of celebrity WWE would want to bring in. Why don't they bring in Charlie Sheen or Lindsay Lohan while we're at it. We can just have a full on coke and hookers gangbang match! What R-Rated hosts has WWE brought in since this concept started? Mike Tyson, David Hasselhoff, Pee Wee Herman and Ben Roethlisberger are the only ones with any kind of REAL LIFE checkered past. Yeah, some of the other ones have been in shows or movies that aren't kid friendly, but they are good people in real life. Robert Carlyle played Hitler in a movie but that doesn't make him a bad guy and nobody is going to go start killing Jews because of his movie......Snooki and the rest of the Jersey Shore idiots are a bad influence on kids and kids want to be like them and they claim that this is how they are in real life and it's not an act. Bob Barker? Johnny Damon? Jewel? The rest are just there to plug something like a book, show or movie. So you have no validity to your point. I didn't think I was disagreeing with you about Guest Stars. WWE shouldn't use people who are associated with what WWE has distanced themselves from, yet they've shown they're willing to promote those types of things, and acting or not, Reality Television, which is almost an oxymoron in it's self, is part of that and having Snooki on promoting a show to get your own show noticed is no different than having Jeremy Piven and Ken Jeong on to promote The Hangover and The Goods. It shouldn't be so much the person, but the product advertised, and all Snooki is doing is promoting her show that for better or for worse, made her famous, on a show that wants the attention she brings, just like Ken Jeong was promoting what made him famous, which was showing his genitals in a major-motion picture he helped shill with Jeremy Piven. Besides, even going on kids wanting to imitate what they see, people imitate what they see on SmackDown and get in trouble for it (Their own fault), so the argument could be made no form of entertainment should even exist because one person may imitate it's likeness, and with Jersey Shore, well, I'd rather have Juniors and Seniors in High School and young adults having sex with more than one person and drinking beer (When they're of age) than carrying out what they saw JBL do on their little Sister if we're going to go down the "Impressionable kids" road. Snooki is a celebrity, even though not everyone, myself included like how she and other people like her get famous in the first place, but she is a celebrity and has generated media attention for WrestleMania, and since that's the point, I can't really fault WWE in that regard. Celebrities promote, that's what they do, and Snooki is promoting her form of entertainment, just like every other celebrity promoted their form of entertainment on RAW. |
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