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Post by robby.blade on Oct 23, 2007 17:37:09 GMT -5
Has anyone watched Bret Hart's documentary "Wrestling with Shadows"? If so, what did you think of it, and what is your opinoin on the Montreal Screwjob?
I liked the documetary and thought it was a pretty good look of what really went down. I feel that the Montreal Screwjob shouldn't have happened, considering Bret even said he would drop the belt to anyone as long as it wasn't in Canada, which I don't think was too much of him to ask. It's not like Bret was the kind of person that would have left the WWF with the WWF title belt and shown up on Nitro with it, he just wasn't that kind of guy.
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Post by Christian on Oct 23, 2007 18:41:57 GMT -5
Bret screwed Bret
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Post by carly1988 on Oct 23, 2007 19:22:12 GMT -5
I think all 3 parties involved were at equal fault. Vince should have let Bret drop the title the next night on raw. Vince should have made bret hand the title to him after Survivior Series so Bret couldnt just show up on Nitro the next night. Shawn should have stood up for himself and said no.
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Post by markallenkellner on Oct 23, 2007 19:58:39 GMT -5
To this day, I still think it was a work. It was a way for Bret to drop the title without losing cleanly to HBK, a way to make HBK a huge heel who would eventually lose the title to Austin, and a way for Bret to enter WCW as a mega babyface.
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Post by madness1 on Oct 23, 2007 21:06:16 GMT -5
No Brett said he would drop it on raw not loose but hand it over. B.S. how many wrestlers have lost in their hometown? Cena lost the belt in his hometown last year. Boo Hoo montral would close up shop if he lost. Gimme a break. Lose with dignity or get screwed. And I also think there is a slight chance it was a work but my only problem with that is there are too many that must have known and eventually it would have gotten found out.
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Post by markallenkellner on Oct 23, 2007 22:58:35 GMT -5
I'm a Bret Hart like anyone else, but his problem is that acts like it's all real.
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Post by peanut: retired Elite member on Oct 24, 2007 0:43:45 GMT -5
I don't think it was a work, but they got so much mileage out of what happened that they have made it look planned over the years. A lot of angles and the "Mr. McMahon" character came from Montreal. In 10 years, somebody would've come forth and said it was all planned.
The movie is excellent by the way. I have it on tape from when it was on A&E years ago.
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Post by oneil4life on Oct 24, 2007 11:29:22 GMT -5
No Brett said he would drop it on raw not loose but hand it over. B.S. how many wrestlers have lost in their hometown? Cena lost the belt in his hometown last year. Boo Hoo montral would close up shop if he lost. Gimme a break. Lose with dignity or get screwed. And I also think there is a slight chance it was a work but my only problem with that is there are too many that must have known and eventually it would have gotten found out. yeah and to be honest Triple H always loses in Boston Ma and Manchester NH, both are close to his hometown like cena... he never wins around here, its ususally done to cause heat. i agree, i dont know anyone that could say how they would lose the belt but then again Bret had creative control over the last 30 days of his contract (whoever gave him that should be kicked in the head)
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Post by madness1 on Oct 24, 2007 13:52:01 GMT -5
Vince allowed him to have creative control because he was worried about him going to wcw. And as proof that should never be allowed First Hogan had it and eventually all the major stars had it at WCW which is one of the reasons they went over. (well one of many)
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Post by The Boglin on Oct 24, 2007 18:15:52 GMT -5
No Brett said he would drop it on raw not loose but hand it over. B.S. how many wrestlers have lost in their hometown? Cena lost the belt in his hometown last year. Boo Hoo montral would close up shop if he lost. Gimme a break. Lose with dignity or get screwed. And I also think there is a slight chance it was a work but my only problem with that is there are too many that must have known and eventually it would have gotten found out. Montreal is not Bret's home town, it's very far from it.
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Post by peanut: retired Elite member on Oct 25, 2007 0:53:29 GMT -5
Reasonable creative control
By refusing to lose the title on the Sunday PPV, it would've made WWF look terrible to have WCW talking about the WWF Champ coming to WCW on the next night's Monday Nitro.
WWF had to get the belt off of Bret that night. What he wanted to do was bad for the whole company and very selfish.
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Post by taker1 on Oct 25, 2007 12:22:08 GMT -5
To this day, I still think it was a work. It was a way for Bret to drop the title without losing cleanly to HBK, a way to make HBK a huge heel who would eventually lose the title to Austin, and a way for Bret to enter WCW as a mega babyface. I wouldve though it was a work had he not gone to WCW. Why would WWE plan that just to let him jump ship there and help his babyface status?
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Post by mercennario1080 on Oct 26, 2007 22:22:59 GMT -5
Vince's and Shawn's fault...
Bret didn't wanted to lose that night, and said he would vacate it the night after on RAW. Vince said he prefered to take it off him on SS. After discusing about it, Vince agreed with Bret, but he lied and then the screw job.
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Post by robl7up on Oct 26, 2007 22:50:27 GMT -5
Bottom line is that Bret didnt do what dozens & dozens of Champs have done before him..Drop the belt/lose his last match,before jumping ship.
"Its a time honered tradition"
I always wanted to say that
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Post by heartbreakkid2k3 on Oct 26, 2007 23:05:10 GMT -5
Yeah, it was totally on Bret. He was on his way out of the company, and should have followed tradition. On your way out, you put over the next guy, and make him look good.
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Post by KRAYZIE BONE on Oct 27, 2007 0:37:01 GMT -5
I dont see how Bret was being selffish. He had a request and vince should have granted it as a show of good faith. It was vinces fault Bret was leaving to begin with.
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Post by WalterF on Nov 1, 2007 18:08:46 GMT -5
Everyone had their faults. Shawn and Bret are my two favorites of all time so it's very difficult for me to pick sides. In one respect, Bret should have followed tradition. You do job on the way out. However ... I could respect Bret with all he's done for the company, to not have to job the belt in Montreal. He could have jobbed it on RAW or something right after. It was just an unfortunate situation.
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Post by LeighD on Nov 1, 2007 18:37:26 GMT -5
No Brett said he would drop it on raw not loose but hand it over. B.S. how many wrestlers have lost in their hometown? Cena lost the belt in his hometown last year. Boo Hoo montral would close up shop if he lost. Gimme a break. Lose with dignity or get screwed. And I also think there is a slight chance it was a work but my only problem with that is there are too many that must have known and eventually it would have gotten found out. ^ You must have sucked at English and geography in school. Spell check is your friend, use it. I thought the movie was good. I haven't watched it for sometime, but I'm hoping to buy it on DVD. I'm a huge Bret Hart fan, but I have to say i believe all 3 parties were at some fault, most of it Vince's, followed by HBK. I'm not going to get into it as it is just going to open a whole new can of worms.
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Post by jj on Nov 3, 2007 4:16:54 GMT -5
Why isn't it any of Earl Hebners Fault? He lied as much as HBK, He Knew about it, Rang the bell, Yeah its Earls fault, he was gonna go to TNA with the Belt and sell merchandise and keep the money with his Brother Dave, UP THE REFS YUP
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Post by hbkjason on Nov 3, 2007 6:06:45 GMT -5
Does any one actually think Bret would have shown up on WCW TV with eth WWF title, not a chance in hell would this have happened. IMO Bret should have won the match cleanly and the next night on RAW vacated the title with a goodbye speach and set up a tournament for the DX PPV the next month after all Bret had done for the compant this was the least they can do. Hell I am sure a vacated title with the guarentee of a new champ would have done better buy rates than the HBK vs Shamrock main event they already had. People seem to forget Bret turned down a huge pay increase in 1996 with WCW out of loyalty to the WWE does this sound like a man who would screw the compan over by taking "there belt" to a rival organistation" I really think not. There was so many way s out of this situation that it really was unfortunate the way it went down. I am sure inVince's mind he felt he had to do it. HBK on the other hand as much as I love his in ring work and have done since the 80's the guy was a prick during this time period plain and simple and I really think he would have seen this as a way to ![](http://www.wrestlingfigs.com/images/wfcensored.gif) with Bret. the whole thing was a huge mistake and while I will always side with Bret on this I do not feel he was 100 percent not to blame either as the whole thing was just a result of a breakdown of communication. the real shame is that us WWE fans will most probably never see Bret on RAW again. Just want to add one more thing how did Bret screw Bret when Vince agreed to the finnish then changed it? by what logic in this has Bret screwed himself?
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