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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Feb 10, 2012 17:37:15 GMT -5
AJ Burnett and John Lackey are the two pitchers you trade to buck the old saying "You never have enough pitching"
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Feb 10, 2012 17:59:53 GMT -5
If Freddy Garcia can't repeat his 2011, the league catches up to Nova, Kuroda can't pitch effectively in the AL, Phil Hughes continues to suck as a starter, or Michael Pineda is more 2nd half 2011 than 1st half 2011......Yanks will be BEGGING to acquire an arm like A.J. Burnett.
Not to mention the fact that CC Sabathia has the worst playoff numbers of any regular season ace in the history of baseball.
Too many things can happen to simply get rid of somebody like Burnett.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Feb 10, 2012 18:22:18 GMT -5
Would you trade AJ Burnett for Raul Ibanez or Johnny Damon?
Yes you would. Thats what its all about
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Post by ICW on Feb 10, 2012 18:47:46 GMT -5
If Freddy Garcia can't repeat his 2011, the league catches up to Nova, Kuroda can't pitch effectively in the AL, Phil Hughes continues to suck as a starter, or Michael Pineda is more 2nd half 2011 than 1st half 2011......Yanks will be BEGGING to acquire an arm like A.J. Burnett. Not to mention the fact that CC Sabathia has the worst playoff numbers of any regular season ace in the history of baseball. Too many things can happen to simply get rid of somebody like Burnett. You are insane. You can apply those question marks to literally EVERY SINGLE TEAM in baseball!!!! I can't. I don't have the energy to prove how  ing insane that statement was. |
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Feb 10, 2012 22:41:17 GMT -5
Sure Lorenzo all those things are possible, some will probably happen, but AJ Burnett turning into a solid SP....those odds are MUCH MUCH greater than all those negative thoughts you are thinking about happening.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Feb 11, 2012 0:05:58 GMT -5
Sure Lorenzo all those things are possible, some will probably happen, but AJ Burnett turning into a solid SP....those odds are MUCH MUCH greater than all those negative thoughts you are thinking about happening. The bottom line is that NO pitcher had better numbers against AL EAST teams than A.J. Burnett UNTIL he came to the Yankees. For some reason, he's been unfocused for the most part since he's been here. Maybe he's just no a pressure situation type guy and the New York media and fans want to lynch you after a bad inning in a Spring Training game. On the other hand, two of the most pressure packed games the Yankees have played in the last 5 years were started and won by A.J Burnett. Game 2 of the 2009 World Series and Game 4 of the 2011 ALDS. Yeah, I know A.J. sh*t the bed in Game 5 of the 2009 ALDS and World Series....but CC's got awful Playoff numbers and nobody wants get rid of him. Bottom line....he's too good to give up on. His good games are just so impressive that I can look past all the bad ones because I'm just waiting for the Yankees coaching staff to find a way to get "good A.J." more often. All Burnett has to do is be the 5th starter. I think he can handle it. Most teams have 3 guys in their rotation who are good if they are lucky, the 4th guy is mediocre, and the 5th spot is usually a rotation of Dick Cheese McPenis Cakes in and out of the rotation and bullpen all year. Why don't people wanna get rid of CC? Like I said, for a regular season ace, he sucks the worst of anybody in baseball in the Playoffs. Sabathia had a great 2009 Postseason, but that team was unstoppable. Sabathia in 2010 Postseason: 5.63 ERA Sabathia in 2011 Postseason: 6.23 ERA And just for sh*ts and giggles, in 2007 Sabathia had an 8.80 ERA in the Playoffs, and in 2008 he had a 12.27. Sabathia's career Postseason ERA sits at 4.81. CC Sabathia wins 19 or 20 games every regular season.....too bad he can only bear Baltimore and other crappy teams. He can't beat Detroit, he can't beat the Red Sox, he can't beat the Angels, he can't beat the Rays, he can't beat any team at or above .500. So people who want to get rid of Burnett should want to get rid of Sabathia too, except for the fact that we need him to beat Baltimore 10 times a year and get 20 wins so we make the Playoffs, but really, Sabathia should be left off the Yankees Postseason roster every year. |
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Post by ICW on Feb 11, 2012 0:53:07 GMT -5
Lorenzo, whenever I gain the energy to acknowledge your pure stupidity, I will respond to your post in detailed fashion.
You truly are insane and one of the most misguided "fans" I have ever encountered.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Feb 11, 2012 1:46:36 GMT -5
Lorenzo, whenever I gain the energy to acknowledge your pure stupidity, I will respond to your post in detailed fashion. You truly are insane and one of the most misguided "fans" I have ever encountered. That's fine. Just be sure that when you tell me how stupid I am that you make sure not to forget to acknowledge CC Sabathia's numbers against over and under .500 teams and his Playoff numbers. |
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Post by Nivro™ on Feb 11, 2012 2:01:05 GMT -5
If the Yankees trade A.J. Burnett, I think it would be a HUGE mistake. First of all, you're not going to get anything of value for him, and the move would just be to free up the starting pitching log jam we have, and also a salary dump if they could find some team willing to pick up a percentage of his remaining money. But the bottom line is that right now, all Burnett would have to do is be the 5th starter. We know he's had a rough tenure in New York so far. He's had two bad seasons in a row mixed in with some great games and some pretty decent Playoff appearances. But if A.J. Burnett can figure it all out and be the guy he used to be when we faced him and be unhittable A.J. that we haven't seen enough of but he's been a few times....man, I can't think of a better 5th starter in the history of the game. Imagine of A.J. Burnett pitches like he's capable of and you have a 15+ win 5th starter? I know it's been rough for A.J and the fans and media are getting restless.....but I just think he's still got too much potential to piss away on a salary dump. AJ has one season where he's won 15 or more games his entire career and that was a contract year. The dude is just toast, burnt toast. If Pittsburgh or anyone else wants him let him go. Unless balls have gone up in value, Id trade him straight up for a bag of balls. |
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Feb 11, 2012 7:01:52 GMT -5
So Lorenzo wants to trade CC and keep AJB, because CC had trouble in the playoffs last year? Oh Lorenzo, the scariest thing is you actually teach kids  |
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Feb 11, 2012 16:27:19 GMT -5
'Zo had me at the comment about how Sabathia should be left off the post season roster. Classic.
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Post by Chip on Feb 12, 2012 19:59:11 GMT -5
at this point...get rid of AJ...eat a portion of the salary get a guy who can either play the field or a reliever, and then try and get Damon back. Damon still has power and can still hit. That's all they'll need him to do. Let Hughes & Garcia battle for 5th starter. Other than that I'm happy with the way the Yankees roster is looking.
im forgetting right now...
where is Eric Chavez? did the Yankees get him back? if not, they should.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Feb 12, 2012 20:31:39 GMT -5
at this point...get rid of AJ...eat a portion of the salary get a guy who can either play the field or a reliever, and then try and get Damon back. Damon still has power and can still hit. That's all they'll need him to do. Let Hughes & Garcia battle for 5th starter. Other than that I'm happy with the way the Yankees roster is looking. im forgetting right now... where is Eric Chavez? did the Yankees get him back? if not, they should. Its Chavez/DH when AJ Burnett goes, and the Yankees are probably getting guys back who might never even reach peanut vendor status in the minors. |
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Feb 12, 2012 20:47:40 GMT -5
Even if they want to get rid of Burnett, they should just say that we want to get rid of him because he hasn't lived up to expectations. Don't act like we need to free up money so we can sign other people. We can afford to sign whoever and keep Burnett if they wanted. And seriously.....how stupid do the Yankees look. 3 years ago the Yankees basically told Hideki Matsui and Johnny Damon to go off and that they're not good enough anymore....but NOW they are "freeing up payroll" so they can "afford" one of them? Or Ibanez who the Phillies don't even want despite the fact that they have an offense that scores less runs than a little league team in the wheelchair league? The Yankees claiming to be "salary dumping" or "re-allocating resources" or any other term they want to use to spin it is just funny. And even IF that was the case, there are a LOT better ways to "re-allocate" their resources then on Johnny Damon, Ibanez or Matsui to come here and bat .220 or for Eric Chavez to spend another 90 games on the DL. The Yankees, if they trade him, should just come out and be like "he didn't pitch as well as we wanted, we're tired of trying to baby him through every game, we give up." Don't act like "we need to do this so we can afford to pay the light bill". *edit* and don't get me wrong, I love Hideki Matsui and Johnny Damon, but the only way I want them back is if MLB starts giving every team cheerleaders. It's 2012. Yanks told them to off after 2009....makes illogical sense to wanna bring them back now. |
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Feb 12, 2012 22:08:13 GMT -5
Even if they want to get rid of Burnett, they should just say that we want to get rid of him because he hasn't lived up to expectations. Don't act like we need to free up money so we can sign other people. We can afford to sign whoever and keep Burnett if they wanted. And seriously.....how stupid do the Yankees look. 3 years ago the Yankees basically told Hideki Matsui and Johnny Damon to go off and that they're not good enough anymore....but NOW they are "freeing up payroll" so they can "afford" one of them? Or Ibanez who the Phillies don't even want despite the fact that they have an offense that scores less runs than a little league team in the wheelchair league? The Yankees claiming to be "salary dumping" or "re-allocating resources" or any other term they want to use to spin it is just funny. And even IF that was the case, there are a LOT better ways to "re-allocate" their resources then on Johnny Damon, Ibanez or Matsui to come here and bat .220 or for Eric Chavez to spend another 90 games on the DL. The Yankees, if they trade him, should just come out and be like "he didn't pitch as well as we wanted, we're tired of trying to baby him through every game, we give up." Don't act like "we need to do this so we can afford to pay the light bill". *edit* and don't get me wrong, I love Hideki Matsui and Johnny Damon, but the only way I want them back is if MLB starts giving every team cheerleaders. It's 2012. Yanks told them to off after 2009....makes illogical sense to wanna bring them back now. I know what the , how dare the Yankees win the World Series after making decisions like that! Also, deal with it Lorenzo the Yankees and Red Sox are going to penny pinch to get under the luxury tax, just learn to deal with it. They wont sign a DH if they cant clear $$, Steinbrenner is not walking through that door |
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Feb 12, 2012 22:23:47 GMT -5
Even if they want to get rid of Burnett, they should just say that we want to get rid of him because he hasn't lived up to expectations. Don't act like we need to free up money so we can sign other people. We can afford to sign whoever and keep Burnett if they wanted. And seriously.....how stupid do the Yankees look. 3 years ago the Yankees basically told Hideki Matsui and Johnny Damon to go off and that they're not good enough anymore....but NOW they are "freeing up payroll" so they can "afford" one of them? Or Ibanez who the Phillies don't even want despite the fact that they have an offense that scores less runs than a little league team in the wheelchair league? The Yankees claiming to be "salary dumping" or "re-allocating resources" or any other term they want to use to spin it is just funny. And even IF that was the case, there are a LOT better ways to "re-allocate" their resources then on Johnny Damon, Ibanez or Matsui to come here and bat .220 or for Eric Chavez to spend another 90 games on the DL. The Yankees, if they trade him, should just come out and be like "he didn't pitch as well as we wanted, we're tired of trying to baby him through every game, we give up." Don't act like "we need to do this so we can afford to pay the light bill". *edit* and don't get me wrong, I love Hideki Matsui and Johnny Damon, but the only way I want them back is if MLB starts giving every team cheerleaders. It's 2012. Yanks told them to off after 2009....makes illogical sense to wanna bring them back now. I would take major umbrage with the crack about the Phillies except that it's true. The thing with Ibanez is you only get about half a season of production out of him. The other half of the season he sucks. |
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Post by Alpha Q Up on Feb 12, 2012 22:23:49 GMT -5
Reading Lorenzo's long posts are hilarious..
The Yankees are set at their rotation buddy, losing or keeping Burnett will not make or break the team this year, neither will signing Matsui or Damon..it all rests on the core players of CC/A-Rod/Granderson/Jeter and how they play in the playoffs (Let's not kid ourselves, their going to win 90+ games, it's the postseason that matters)
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Feb 12, 2012 22:28:25 GMT -5
Raul Ibanez sucks balls and I hope the Yankees sign him, but the Yankees traded their best potential DH for pitching....those are the moves you hafta make. It happens, you cant always get the best of both worlds Lorenzo
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Feb 13, 2012 10:05:40 GMT -5
Kevin Goldstein had Bryce Harper over Mike Trout, had Matt Moore over both actually
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Feb 13, 2012 15:56:00 GMT -5
Spring Training starts this week. Totally psyched. I'm the one guy who doesn't think about baseball during sex because it just makes things worse.
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